Skip to comments.The Guild 6-26-2004 A little word parsing
Posted on 06/26/2004 1:10:53 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty
On June 14th of this year President Bush welcomed Bill and Hillary Clinton back to the White House for the unveiling of their portraits.
Being the gracious, polite adult that he is, President Bush had some kind words for X42 and that made some people very unhappy. President Bush had done the right thing being gracious to his guests and I disagreed with those who would have had him exoriate old X42. However, each time I heard a sound bite of the president's speech it became clear, someone with an imagination and knowledge of clinton could interpret those words in another way.
Here are my interpretations of some of President Bush's remarks.
The years have done a lot to clarify the strengths of this man.
As we republicans predicted it would take time to see the real damage done to our country and this White House, how do you like your boy now? Still think his presidency was chock full of peace and prosperity? Oh, and some of you still can't name three accomplishments of that Administration.
As a candidate for any office, whether it be the state attorney general or the President, Bill Clinton showed incredible energy and great personal appeal.
Nothing of any significance was accomplished.
As chief executive, he showed a deep and far-ranging knowledge of public policy, a great compassion for people in need, and the forward-looking spirit the Americans like in a President.
Again, nothing of any significance was accomplished.
Bill Clinton could always see a better day ahead -- and Americans knew he was working hard to bring that day closer.
Looking past the terror threat doesn't make it go away. Thanks to the media many were lulled to sleep and received a nasty wake up call that morning in September.
Over eight years, it was clear that Bill Clinton loved the job of the presidency.
What better way to feed his huge narcissistic appetite?
He filled this house with energy and joy.
Too bad so much was wasted keeping this slug out of trouble and the only good times came from saving clinton's bacon from the fire.
He's a man of enthusiasm and warmth, who could make a compelling case and effectively advance the causes that drew him to public service.
Boy he loves to charm the ladies and what's the ultimate chick magnate? The White House of course.
President Bush is a smart man, he knew clinton would sink himself with that stupid tome of his. Why in the world would President Bush attack clinton when clinton does it so effectively to himself?
Thank you President Bush, it was a refreshing change from trying to parse all that bill clinton speak.
US Democrat supporter with donkey at an election gathering to show support for US Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) in Kabul(AFP/Mariam Kosha)
"Ok, ok, I'll vote for you, now can I remove my nose from your stinky pit?"
No comment necessary.
U.S. Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) (D-Ma), presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, talks with actress/singer Barbra Streisand (news) during a fundraising dinner at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion in Los Angeles, California June 24, 2004 .REUTERS/Jim Ruymen US ELECTION
Billy Crystal gets a hug, Babs only gets talk. Hmmm, Kerry doesn't want to be seen hugging a nutcase or did Teresa lay down the law after she heard those Babs and Bill rumors?
Just passin' thru.
Thanx for the new thread. What a Hoot!
I'll be back later tonite. I'm off to Mass & then to a wedding reception.
This is a must see!
A terrific "support our troops and the WOT" ad campaign.
Thanks for photos of the 'Asses for Kerry.'
I had to use my son's computer to put up this thread and the pics. Whatever has taken over my computer throws me off Yahoo as soon as I click a pic. grrrrrr!
Ouch! What kind of anti-virus program do you have on the screwy computer?
I didn't know so I asked Mr. B, no anti-virus program apparently. Oy veh.
I may have to finally have to breakdown and learn how to do more than reboot.
LOVE that ad! I signed up. Hope we see more of this.
I hope so too! Ads like this one coupled with ads like the new GWB ad should whip dems into quite the frenzy. :-)
did I ust the word 'ad' enough in that last sentence?!
In a couple of days, when the transition in Iraq is complete, the NY Times will have a banner headline saying
BUSH LOSES CONTROL OF IRAQ!
Son and I were reminiscing about Cheney's debate in 2000 with Lieberman. He didn't remember the exchange before the debate when Cheney flattened Joe after the quip about Cheney being better off than he was 8 years ago so I found this Peggy Noonan article. I repost it here for posterity. There is also a part of the debate where they discuss Iraq. Link to transcrpit here
A serious debate between two serious men.
BY PEGGY NOONAN
Friday, October 6, 2000 3:52 a.m. EDT
Dick Cheney won. Big time.
But we'll get to that in a moment.
The more important thing to note at the top is that Americans won last night, and democracy won, because the Cheney-Lieberman debate was an authentic public service. First, it was inspiring. For the first time in years millions of Americans saw two political men who were in bearing, seriousness, sophistication and thoughtfulness like the public servants of old, or rather the public servants you respected when you were a kid (or maybe I mean the public servants you imagined populated Washington when you were a teenager reading Alan Drury novels).
They were knowledgeable, interesting; their comments, answers and assertions came with context. That is, they didn't just blurt a ragged thought that some aide dreamed up and then spend 38 seconds trying to wrestle the blurt into a coherent and meaningful assertion. They actually said coherent and meaningful things. Neither tried to be clever or swift--well, Mr. Lieberman a few times, and we'll get to that too--and yet they were each consistently interesting. At least once, on the issue of gay rights, each candidate actually thought aloud about how he was thinking about the issue--what went into his reasoning, what the history of his thinking had been, where he was now and where he felt the issue fit into overall themes of justice and what might be called Americanism.
If you were listening, you learned. That is, a few issues probably made more sense to you, and so the arguments over those issues, over which fellow stands where and why, made more sense. Or perhaps I should say: Normally when I listen to political debates I get a little lost, wondering at some point what the phrase "$1.3 trillion shortfall" means within the argument, or what "the tax cut targeting initiative" connects to. But with Mr. Cheney's answers, and often with Mr. Lieberman's, a common-sense history course in common language was provided.
More than that, both candidates seemed free of the mind-freezing tension that makes thoughts lurch and then stop abruptly, like a thief who just heard something. And so a question on the Mideast, in Cheney's handling, became a meditation on Israeli politics, on the death of Yitzhak Rabin, on the danger of Iraq and Saddam Hussein, on the meaning of the Clinton administration's failure to go forward with and insist upon weapons inspections. It was quite a wonderful answer because it made you remember what is at stake in that part of the world.
So: I was inspired, and feel most grateful to Mr. Cheney and Mr. Lieberman for making a constructive contribution to our great democracy. I may change my mind about this by tomorrow, but right now I think it was the best presidential-level debate of my lifetime.
Why do I think Mr. Cheney won? Because he was consistently the more compelling because the more ingenuous figure. Because he was a surprise. I knew and know he is a serious and thoughtful man, but I didn't know he had quite the calm, impressive intellect, high concentration, inherent modesty and warm dignity that he displayed. And he didn't display it; it was just there. I didn't know he had such a common and accessible touch as a communicator.
Mr. Lieberman was good too, but I think he was outclassed. And by the end I think he knew it. Apparently the Gore people did too: when I got home I read a wire story saying Gore's people got their spinners into the spin room a full seven minutes before the debate ended. You don't leave the room with the TV set in it that quickly when you're having a good time watching your guy win.
I'll give you an example of how Mr. Lieberman was a little too cute sometimes, and got a little sneaky, and if it had been a cute and sneaky debate it would have been OK but it was an elevated debate, and sneaky didn't play. It was the moment when Mr. Lieberman, who I'm sure had been planning the line for days, pleasantly smiled at Mr. Cheney and told him the economy must be pretty good. "I'm pleased to see, Dick, from the newspapers, that you're better off than you were eight years ago."
A nice shot. Mr. Cheney laughs and looks at him and says, " I can tell you, Joe, that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it." Good laughter--Mr. Cheney wins the point.
But Mr. Lieberman doesn't back off. "I can see my wife," he says slyly, "and I think she's thinking, 'Gee, I wish he would go out into the private sector.' "
And Mr. Cheney shoots back, " I'm going to try to help you do that, Joe."
What was great about it was not that Mr. Cheney won the exchange, and without the help of a line in his pocket. What was great was that Mr. Lieberman thought he was going to have his bash-the-rich Mario Cuomo moment. Mr. Cuomo had a great moment in 1982 when he was debating an impressive Republican challenger named Lewis Lehrman. Mr. Lehrman was a rich man. So in the middle of the debate, Cuomo looked over and said, "Nice watch, Lew." Mr. Lehrman cringed: caught having gold on your wrist!
It was one of those neat, sneaky, Democratic class-bash moments. And Mr. Lieberman thought he'd have his. But he didn't. Because Mr. Cheney wasn't some patsy Republican in a defensive crouch at being wealthy. He was like a Republican who supports conservative policies because they'll give you a chance to get rich, too.
Mr. Lieberman also tried a bit of demagoguery that Al Gore gets away with, but Mr. Cheney nailed Mr. Lieberman on it. When Mr. Cheney argued that U.S. military spending and readiness have gone down the past seven years, Mr. Lieberman tried to pretend that Mr. Cheney's criticism of Clinton-Gore stewardship was a criticism of American sailors and soldiers. Mr. Cheney didn't let him get away with it, corrected him, and repeated his criticisms of Clinton-Gore. Mr. Lieberman, this time, wisely backed off. (I was watching one of those whacked-out response-line things on a monitor at MSNBC; you should have seen Mr. Cheney's lines head skyward. It is very unusual, when Republicans talk about defense, to see the lines go up.)
Mr. Lieberman also tried to manipulate, and was altogether too cute, when Mr. Cheney spoke of Iraq and the danger it poses as an unimpeded maker of weapons of mass destruction. It was the only time Mr. Lieberman got sniffy: such dire national security questions have no place in a campaign, he said. (Really? Gee, those weapons might kill us. I think we maybe have the right to discuss it.) It was patently an attempt to claim the high ground while avoiding discussion of an administration failure.
Mr. Cheney did not cede the microphone; he is a vocal Republican. He didn't hog it like Mr. Gore did the other night, but he clearly enjoyed saying his piece. He also, and to my surprise--he has had a life in government--doesn't speak governmentese. He'd say, simply and clearly, that the policies he stood for were aimed at giving people as much control over their own lives as possible. He'd say of the Gore-Lieberman tax plan that you need an accountant to understand it and that " They like tax credits. We like tax reform and tax cuts."
Mr. Lieberman, on the other hand, proved himself fluent in governmentese: "the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office," "by our calculation they are $1.1 trillion in debt," even " a very exciting tax-credit program."
As for how they looked, which is not important but let's do it anyway, they both looked just fine. They looked like normal humans having a conversation at a desk. Whoever said Joe Lieberman has a face like a melted clown was kind of right, but I prefer the observation of a friend who is not a Republican that Mr. Lieberman looks like Henry Gibson, of "Laugh-In" and "Nashville" fame, and like Harpo Marx without the horn.
I, being rude and seeking to show bipartisanship in my horribleness, noted this evening on MSNBC that Dick Cheney looks like a round lump of beige. This is not only uncalled for but, since both men really acquitted themselves so well, and in the acquitting gave our country an hour and a half of dignity, good nature, good sense and class, and since those things don't come much from politics anymore, no one should make cheap jokes about them, and I think all writers and talkers should not make poke fun at either of them for the rest of the campaign, to show our appreciation and respect.
But really what was most inspiring about the debate, and about the two men in it, was a kind of civic sweetness, a high-mindedness with which they spoke sympathetically of so many issues that are painful for various ones of us, from racial profiling to abortion to gay rights. Both men spoke with what seemed an honest and deep engagement, not huffing and puffing but, again, thinking aloud. High- minded, I d even say right-minded, thinking aloud. This was a good example for our children.
Boy these guys made me feel better.
And boy Dick Cheney was a revelation.
Early spin from the liberal media is going to be, "Cheney was pretty good, and so of course was Lieberman. But you know Chris/Tom/Dan/Brian, the very fact of Cheney's excellence will no doubt be seen as an implicit criticism of Bush. Why, after all, isn't he so impressive? I think Cheney's triumph will work against Bush." They're already saying this. In the conservative media (the magazines, columnists, this page) they will call it "Cheney's Night" and ponder why men like him have to be picked for veep and don't get elected president.
I also see a coming debate, a big one, in conservative circles, over whether the Bush campaign should, as the Democratic strategist Pat Caddell and others, including me, have urged, do a big and serious speech about the meaning of the trampling of law and lowering of dignity in the past eight years. Mr. Caddell argues--I paraphrase-- that in a time of peace and plenty the challengers must clearly define what the problem is, how it threatens our well being, and what the solution is (throw the bums out). I see a lot of sense in this. But there are those who warn, prudently, that the media will kill the Republicans if they go down that road--"negative," etc. (Listen to Rush Limbaugh tomorrow, he in a sense started the debate with an interview Thursday on MSNBC.)
A clarification of how I see my role seems in order after the reaction I got in many quarters to my criticism of George W. Bush's performance in Tuesday's debate. Let me tell you how I see it. Everyone who cares to know my political sympathies knows them, because I don't hide them. I declare them. (I wish everyone would.) But my job isn't spin; my job is to tell you the truth as I see it. I don't think spin is interesting. I think the truth is always interesting, and when you're lucky enough to see it accurately and explain it clearly--actually I don't think it's luck, I think of it the way Walker Percy thought of it; he wrote once that when he wrote anything good he knew where it came from, he knew who had sneaked into him "like a thief with good tools"--you're doing good. I'm for Mr. Bush. But I think Mr. Bush tanked in his debate. I'm for Cheney, too. I think he just triumphed.
I hope Mr. Bush does well next time, but if I think he doesn't I'm going to say it. That's my job--and my inclination. Sorry.
Just don't forget, I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS with that woman....Miss Lewinsky.
If Monica had the chance now betcha she'd break that crooked finger right off.
If Monica really wants us to believe she's angy, she has plenty of ammo she could fire back at him.
Who really wrote the "talking points" for her testimony?
What was really the understanding between her and that Betty woman, the secretary?
What was the truth about Bill's efforts to get her out of town and keep her from testifying?
Did he coach her on how to lie under oath?
She has the goods to nail him. Why doesn't she?
Heck, even if Bill isn't responsible for all those mysterious deaths, it certainly makes a person take stock of the situation.
Wolfowitz said NATO's "capacity has been whittled down enormously over the past ten years." Link
"I said, 'You ought to get your ass out" of the race, Kilpatrick told The Post's Hamil Harris. "I am just passionate, as were other members. But at no time did we disrespect Ralph Nader."
Here's an uplifting piece from an Irishman who has an excellent understanding of clinton and President Bush.
The "ego-soaked" reference made me go, ewwwwww. :-)
Kerry wows the crowd with his Grandpa Amos impression.
IRAQ HANDOVER TODAY!!!!!
I know at least three nightly news anchors who are going to be very unhappy.
Poor CNN had nifty 'run up to the turn over' shows scheduled for Monday and Tuesday. Awwwwwww
Paul Bremmer should be at the WH this afternoon receiving the Medal of Freedom!
FOX says Saddam to go on trial within a WEEK!
Lots of reports, too, that al Zarquawi has been captured. Not confirmed.
Oh, and Drudge says the same media outfit that got Ryan's divorce papers released is now going after Kerry's court files.
My choice would be to see them released the same day as the final 9/11 Commission report! LOL!
I read your post and thought that I was Rip Van Winkle, but by golly, it's twue, it's twue!
Maybe Saddam's trial will start July 26, wouldn't that just make your day?
Good for Bremer, he deserves it.
Please don't forget, I need to see Cheri's dress from the dinner. Gotta see that bead work.
Any more word on Zarquawi? Either way he is toast.
Check out the smile on Rummy's face.
Gotta comment on Laura's dress. Love the color,,, dislike the fabric.
I agree. The color is stunning, it matches Laura's eyes, but they keep putting her into that style of gown and it makes the First Lady look like a packed sausage when in reality she really has a cute figure.
I think the dems get a lot of their fundraising dollars from felons. Like follows like.
That "media outfit" that got Ryan's papers released is only the Chicago Tribune, one of the most influential papers going. They are affiliated with (own?) a Boston station and are using that relationship as reason enough to pursue Kerry's divorce papers.
The Trib is extremely liberal. I'd be really surprised if they actually do this. But I'm willing to be surprised.
Lots of gowns of ALL descriptions on this page.
(NOTE TO SELF: One does not refer to one as "looney" when referee has a net worth of over ONE BILLION DOLLARS. One so wealthy is referred to as "refreshing".)
Teresa Heinz Kerry, wife of Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry, plays with a group of childern after reading them a story Monday, June 28, 2004, at the Gace Hill head start center in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)
We all hope yesterday's historic handover of soverneignty in Iraq leads to crushing the insurgents and the opportunity to deliver on reconstruction and democracy.
When that happens, Iraq will disappear from the front pages (except for anything to do with Abu Graib, of course.). At some point, the tide will turn and the media will find its Baghdad correspondents submitting tapes of strolls through peaceful, industrious neighborhoods full of happy Iraqis.
"That's it", they'll say, "time to bring 'em home". And the media will fold its tent, transferring its correspondents to some new hotbed of anti-Americanism.
If Iraq succeeds, the media will ignore it rather than report it.
Gracious, what's with the maternity top?
Of course screaming at a candidate " Get your ass out" is no means of disrespect.
Trust me, she never said " You ough to........" She must think that we are all stupid.
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