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Historical Eclipses and Earths Rotation Historical Eclipses and Earth's Rotation
F. Richard Stephenson


1 posted on 08/31/2004 8:42:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 08/31/2004 8:43:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv
The only explanation is that the planet's rotation has slowed since 136 BC, making the day longer.

So, is this why it seems like the days are really long when I'm at work?

4 posted on 08/31/2004 8:50:36 AM PDT by Wissa
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To: SunkenCiv

Fascinating.


5 posted on 08/31/2004 8:54:35 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: SunkenCiv

The moon is receeding from the earth very slowly, too. Is it not? This would screw-up the calculations involving the lunar month, would it not?


6 posted on 08/31/2004 8:56:51 AM PDT by Tallguy (If Clinton did a good job stopping the Millenium Bomber, I've got 2 Towers in NYC to sell you...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Without precedence and perhaps without validity.
7 posted on 08/31/2004 9:19:58 AM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: SunkenCiv
This is most excellent news!

Since the Earth's rotation has slowed, then the centrifical force counteracting gravity has decreased and that explains these extra twenty pounds!!

And for a while there I thought I had really gained weight. Whew! Glad that's settled.

(Pass the ice cream please)

8 posted on 08/31/2004 9:22:18 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: SunkenCiv

Is it possible that the clay tablet was inscribed on Mallorca and then transported to Babylon where it was found?


9 posted on 08/31/2004 9:24:30 AM PDT by tje
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To: SunkenCiv
The only explanation is that the planet's rotation has slowed since 136 BC, making the day longer.

Or that at least one of the orbits involved has changed slightly since then.

10 posted on 08/31/2004 9:44:44 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: SunkenCiv

Nothing is constant in the Universe.

Stars are born and they die and rotations of orbiting bodies obey the laws of gravity.


13 posted on 08/31/2004 11:23:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: KevinDavis

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22 posted on 08/31/2004 9:03:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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Fear and Awe: Eclipses Through the Ages
by Wil Milan
18 January 2000
One of the earliest such incidents was recorded by Thucydides in his account of the Peloponnesian War, which took place in the 5th century BC. In the outbreak of the second phase of that war, the Athenians had attacked and blockaded the Sicilian city of Syracuse. After a two-year siege the Athenians were ready to pull out, but just before the departure signal was given there was a lunar eclipse which the Athenians took as a very bad omen for their departure. So the departure was delayed, and the delay allowed the Syracusans to break out of the siege, turning the tables on Athens and destroying the Athenian fleet and army. Athens was sent reeling, its democracy was overthrown, and Athens’ ultimate defeat resulted in the permanent decline of the gem of Greek civilization. There were, of course, many causes for the fall of Athens, but the lunar eclipse of 413 BC and the resultant military defeat that arose from it were key contributors to this turn of history.
The right hand of darkness
by Duncan Steel
The inevitable clash came in the 7th century, in Northumbria. King Oswiu of Northumbria had established several new monasteries under the Celtic Church, but his consort, Queen Eanfleda, was a Kentish lady who belonged to the Roman Church. Their problem was in scheduling holidays: the Celtic Church determined the date of Easter according to an 84-year cycle brought by early Cretan missionaries, whereas the Roman Easter was fixed by the tables of Dionysius Exiguus, employing the 19-year metonic cycle (the near-coincidence between 19 solar years and 235 lunar months), so their Easter dates often differed. Eanfleda might be fasting on her Palm Sunday while Oswiu was feasting on his Easter Day. This inconvenience is often given as the reason that Oswiu convened the Synod of Whitby in 664, at which representatives of the two churches debated, competing for Oswiu's allegiance. Rome won, and that eventually led to the unification of the fiefdoms of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes to form the English nation... In 664, the zone of totality passed over northern Ireland, southern Scotland and northern England. It would have darkened all of Oswiu's monasteries. According to Daniel McCarthy and Aidan Breen of Trinity College, Dublin, the eclipse must have been a divine sign to Oswiu that he had erred in following the Celtic Church... Oswiu's conversion is the reason for the impending millennium, as well as for the existence of England. Several different Christian calendars were used in Oswiu's time, but our particular year numbering derives from the Dionysiac Easter tables adopted by the Venerable Bede in the early 8th century. Bede's mentors had been advocates of the Roman case at the synod. If the Celts had won instead, we might now be living in the year 2004, or 2037, or even 1967.

24 posted on 08/31/2004 9:53:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv
The moon's recession is a tidal effect, and the flip side of the coin is a slowing in the rotation period of Earth. In effect, the Earth is slowing in order to boost the Moon to higher orbits.

BTW, eclipses repeat; a repetition is called a Saros:

qsaros

("sE@rQs)  [Gr. r0qo| or raq¾| (Berossos), a. Assyro-Babylonian _Qr(u.] 

   1. Antiq. The Babylonian name for the number 3600, and hence for a period of 3600 years.
   The notion expressed in quot. 1662, that the saros consisted of 3600 days, is due to the desire to rationalize the incredible statements of Berossos with regard to the lengths of the reigns of the antediluvian kings of Babylon. Other expedients for the same purpose were adopted by early writers on chronology.

   1613 Purchas Pilgrimage (1614) 54 Sarus with them is three thousand sixe hundred yeares.  1662 Stillingfl. Orig. Sacræ i. v. §4. 80 The learned Monks, Panodorus and Anianus,+make a Saros to contain 120. months of 30. dayes a piece.  

   2. Astr. Adopted by modern astronomers as the name of the cycle of 18 years and 10 2 / 3 days, in which solar and lunar eclipses repeat themselves.
   This use is founded on the statement of Suidas (app. due to some mistake) that the length of the saros was 18 1 / 2 years.

   1812 Woodhouse Astron. xxxv. 353 The period of 223 lunations, called by the Chaldean Astronomers, the Saros.  1868 Lockyer Elem. Astron. iii. §18 (1879) 102 This period of 18 years 10 days is a cycle of the Moon, known to the ancient Chaldeans and Greeks under the name of Saros.  

26 posted on 09/05/2004 8:34:37 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: SunkenCiv

For the same reason an ice skater spins faster when her arms are pulled in the earth's rotation slows as the moon moves further away.The total Moon Earth Angular momentum is constant. This particular example however has many different solutions, for example if the spin inreased 21 hours it would also work. For that matter if you and or subtract any integer number of days it too would work. However Apollo left some mirrors on the moon that when lasers are focused on it gives a return beam that allows measurement to the moon within mere millimeters, and those measurements are increasing. Probably consistant with the numbers in this article too. (Tidal forces have already slowed the moon until it shows us the same face, it will eventually slow the earth so the moon sees the same face too)


28 posted on 09/08/2004 10:52:41 PM PDT by Nateman (Why are some conservatives hostile to science?)
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To: SunkenCiv

other lunar topics I've started:

A Celestial Collision
Alaska Science Forum ^ | February 10, 1983 | Larry Gedney
Posted on 09/15/2004 9:04:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1216757/posts

It Came from Outer Space?
American Scientist ^ | November-December 2004 | David Schneider
Posted on 11/25/2004 5:13:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1288537/posts

When the Days Were Shorter
Alaska Science Forum (Article #742) ^ | November 11, 1985 | Larry Gedney
Posted on 10/04/2004 10:31:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1234919/posts


30 posted on 11/28/2004 12:29:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Swordmaker

this is what I just referred to in my reply to you in the "2029 impact" topic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1307719/posts?page=143#143


31 posted on 12/27/2004 3:05:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (risk of impact, 2004 MN4, http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2004mn4.html)
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"How To Have A Bit Of Fun With The Smallest Full Moon Of The Year Next Week"

How To Have A Bit Of Fun With The Smallest Full Moon Of The Year Next Week

32 posted on 01/22/2005 10:13:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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33 posted on 01/23/2005 7:49:31 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: SunkenCiv
A couple of observations:

The only explanation is that the planet's rotation has slowed since 136 BC, making the day longer.

Actually Edmond Halley was aware of this phenomenon and attributed it to a possible increase in the speed of the Moon. (DOH!)

If present-day astronomers use a computer to run the movements of the Earth, Moon and Sun backwards from their present positions, like a movie in reverse, they find something very odd. The total eclipse of 15 April 136 BC should not have been visible from Babylon at all.

Funny, I have a computer. I used a commercially available package "Starry Night" ($49.99 at Best Buy, not the professional edition) to run the Earth, Moon and Sun back to Babylon (32° 15' N, 45° 23' E) April 15, 136 BC and got a brief total eclipse runing from 8:33:45 to 8:36:16 local time (GMT+3.026 HR) which is about as close to 8:35 as you can get. When I set the location to Mallorca, Spain (39° 34' N, 2° 39' W), I get a partial eclipse beginning at 5:34 AM local time (GMT + 0), before sunrise at 5:46 AM and completely over at 6:23 AM.

I suppose if an astronomer had done it the results would have been different, I have the New Scientist's word on it.

Real astronomers, the kind that programmed Starry Night, for instance, unlike the kind in the New Scientist, are aware of the difference between time reckoned from the rotation of the Earth (Universal Time or UT) and a "uniform" time scale. The hypothetical uniform time scale is called "Ephemeris Time" (ET). Astronomers know how to account for the difference in UT and ET. I shouldn't be too hard on NS, they were using shorthand to say that if astronomers ignore the difference between ET and UT, they would get these results.

BTW, gotta give major props to Starry Night. The startlingly good agreement with observations, make me assume that the Babylonian Eclipse of 136 BC was one of the constraints they used to calculate the difference between ET and UT.

The difference between ET ( implemented as Terrestial Dynamical Time (TDT) today) and UT gives rise to leap seconds. That's a whole nuther thread!

34 posted on 01/23/2005 8:49:16 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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Historical Eclipses:
http://hbar.phys.msu.ru/gorm/atext/histecl.htm

A Larger Sun During The Maunder Minimum
William R. Corliss
(Ribes, E., et al; "Evidence for a Larger Sun with a Slower Rotation during the Seventeenth Century," Nature, 326: 52, 1987.)
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf051/sf051a05.htm


39 posted on 01/23/2005 12:19:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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Moon Phases 5000 yr catalog:
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phasecat.html


41 posted on 03/06/2005 11:14:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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