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"What's The Typeface, Kenneth?"
400 North Capitol Street | DC Newsie

Posted on 09/09/2004 4:38:57 PM PDT by MindBender26

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To: Slings and Arrows; sharktrager

Got it! Thanks!


61 posted on 09/09/2004 5:08:01 PM PDT by hobson
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To: Sloth

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

Roll it Dano! LOL!


62 posted on 09/09/2004 5:08:51 PM PDT by JesseJane
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To: Diogenesis
proportional spacing not generally available

Apparently IBM introduced the first proportional font electric typewriter in the early years of WWII! But the question is, which desktop Selectric model might have been available to an Air National Guard Colonel by 1972? and importantly did it use the same 'walnut', or one specially designed - and what did those faces look like? How much did a Selectric like that cost? Could it have been a Wang (a long forgotten name, but also mentioned at the blog)?

superscripts not generally available

Could an expensive proportially spaced Selectric (or Wang or whatever) have included "th", "rd", "st", "nd" as part of an extended superscript typeface?

Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available

What if that was the typeface on the 'walnut', for that - whatever - expensive model? I have no idea what the model numbers might have been for such a thing, how much it cost, and what the faces looked like. I would ASSUME that the expert who looked at this had ALL of these Selectric typefaces in his Atlas. I would assume that. And he couldn't make a match. But I wish he would have said which model Selectric he had ruled out.

The fact is, the 10 and 12 fixed pitch 'golf ball'/'walnut' typefaces did include a closed "4" with foot, and without foot. Some didn't, such as that typed onto Kerry's 13 MAR spot report by the receiving operator (probably using a Selectric, fixed pitch). But the 'Times New Roman' was a new designation by Apple, I think, based on industry terms perhaps, when they were light years ahead of the PC in desktop publishing, laser printers etc. If anyone remembers the old dot matrix printers, you could see similar fonts, but they were called, Prestige, or such, just as with the Selectric.

Signature block.

I don't get this. With all respect, it's not the block that matters - it's the signature. If you look at that blog page, the verified Killian signature looks NOTHING like the two on those CBS memos. People's signature change. But not that much. It looks like two different people, right there.

signature looks faked

Oh, you did mention it. Never mind.

no letterhead

Absolutely. I was thinking, though. Assuming you had an expensive and relatively rare proportional font Selectric, or Wang or whatever, these introduced tape 'memories' and punched cards, I believe. They couldn't store much, but maybe enough for half a page, or . . a letterhead? The Colonel showing off?

I have to agree with you, though. It's irregular. It's not military, even for the Guard.

Not signed or initialed

The last two, you mean. I can't imagine what the CBS people saw when they looked at those last two. They're just floating out there. Didn't it raise questions? Where's the other page? Who is it from, to? etc? Are they rough drafts, or something, and for what? I completely agree with you.

My question on SOME of it is - could a typewriter have produced that copy, and how likely is it that such would have been on the desk of an Air Guard Colonel, or even someone down the hall?

63 posted on 09/09/2004 5:17:00 PM PDT by sevry
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To: Diogenesis
To expand and clarify your Item No. 6 - ALL Officer signature blocks in the TX ANG also had to designate that following the RANK -- e.g. "Major,TX ANG" -

THE HOAX DOCUMENTS AT CBS ARE MISSING THAT DESIGNATION!

64 posted on 09/09/2004 5:19:09 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: MindBender26
The last memo is dated August 18th, 1973. That was a Saturday.

I don't know if that is important, but I'm sure someone here does.

65 posted on 09/09/2004 5:30:59 PM PDT by Grig
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To: pro libertate

I beleive the first single out on REM's new album is titled 'Leaving New York'. Really.


66 posted on 09/09/2004 5:34:30 PM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: Diogenesis

Great list, thank you! You tied together about 3,000 posts spread over several threads into a nice, tidy guide :-)

You might want to include this one, too.

In this document, the words "not happy today either" are written in an obviously different font/size from the rest of the text.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf


67 posted on 09/09/2004 5:35:25 PM PDT by Tamzee (The NYT.... All the news that pink to print)
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To: christie

Two spaces after a period was mandatory and no period after Lt unless it ended a sentence.


68 posted on 09/09/2004 5:35:52 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: sevry

I'm not sure that anyone has mentioned this, but at some point, IBM selectrics, had interchangeable "type-balls". Some were more ~refined~ in that the type style was much more clear or 'sharp' than others, and if I remember correctly, some of the 'balls' (sorry) had a few extra symbols than a standard typwriter. Still, having learned to type on both a manual and electric typwriter, then the chance to type on the 'grand-poobah' selectric, and fortunate to obtain the auto backspace, auto correct versions.. even then, the whirling ball spacing was NOT perfect. Age and frequecy of use of the type-ball, made for either clear or fuzzy letters.. though side by side, the models were exactly the same.


69 posted on 09/09/2004 5:39:06 PM PDT by JesseJane
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To: bootless
See-BS

Well done Freepers!!
70 posted on 09/09/2004 5:39:54 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: sevry

Let's put it this way -- HQ USAF/Major Commands got the creme of the crop for typewriters; field organizations got hand me downs a lot of times; Reserves got more handmedowns, and I hate to think what the typewriters in the ANG looked like!


71 posted on 09/09/2004 5:40:12 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: VRWCTexan

You are correct. Every signature block after rank listed the designation of USAF, USAFR and I wasn't sure how the ANG was listed but I knew it had to be there.


72 posted on 09/09/2004 5:42:53 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: mewzilla

But I got's no use for'em.. LOL! :)


73 posted on 09/09/2004 5:44:03 PM PDT by JesseJane
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To: Sloth

LOL!! Funniest damn thing I've seen all day!!


74 posted on 09/09/2004 5:49:02 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: jimbo123

OH! That is freggin` beautiful!! I am SO sick of CBS and this Dan Rather! The guy is nothing more than a commie propagandist, and he can`t stand it that his commie nominee is falling in the polls! BEAUTIFUL!! Maybe Dan should go and take a vacation now with his favorite buddy Fidel Castro, the only person he seems to smile around...Well not the only one, he was also grinning ear to ear when he met Saddam. Like a tidal wave it comes; About time the American people get exposed to these liberal creeps and their BULL bigtime! After 8 years of Clintonism, Michael Moore, this 911 comission, and then Kerry, people are getting fed up with the BS! It`s been way toooo long coming and come November the `Rats will finally be paying for it BIGTIME!!! My own Grandmother is a lifelong Democrat, 86 years old and even she is voting for Bush!!


75 posted on 09/09/2004 6:18:57 PM PDT by Imaverygooddriver ( What`s the difference between a car alarm and John Kerry? Car alarms sometimes do their job.)
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To: Diogenesis
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.

Note on the letter head ...

111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron
P. O. Box 34567
Houston, Texas 77034

First it's not letterhead but "typed" like the rest of the letter but it's perfectly lined up and exactly the same way in both the May 4 & Aug 1 letters Any one typing and address on a typewriter would “left justify” it not center it plus if you did it is damm hard to center an address exactly same way in two dif. letters typing it….

However in Word just highlight the address and click “center” and bingo exactly the same header address centering and spacing and you see in the May 4 & Aug1 letters

Frankly these letters are so badly done I’m almost starting to wonder if someone pulled a “French Yellowcake” on the Dem’s to make them look this stupid (but then they are stupid for not checking these out better in the first place)

76 posted on 09/09/2004 6:20:32 PM PDT by tophat9000 ("Karma Sutra Kerry"... he's got 101 positions on any issue but in the end your just F....ed!)
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To: Diogenesis

This evidence gathering is impressive and inspiring...We CAN FIGHT BACK!


77 posted on 09/09/2004 6:26:16 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Diogenesis

It'll be hard to boycott some of those channels.


78 posted on 09/09/2004 6:27:49 PM PDT by No-Compromise Conservative
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To: MindBender26

Yeah, Dan, I actually was there with Bush and his wingman, one Liutenant Baba Booey...


79 posted on 09/09/2004 6:28:09 PM PDT by anonymous_user (Dump Daschle)
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To: igoramus987

SEE? B.S.!


80 posted on 09/09/2004 7:27:12 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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