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Sinclair's Stolen Honor Excerpts ON NOW in the EAST !!!
Channel 45 Baltimore | 22 October 2004

Posted on 10/22/2004 5:11:33 PM PDT by Bill Buckner

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To: PhiKapMom
When I first heard of the Stolen Honor, I called the local station and praised them for their stance. They had me do the voice mail thing to the corporate phone bank, and I obliged them with a glowing oration to them.

This coming Monday, I will return a call to them with a Kerry type flip flop of my feelings about their flip flop.




TPD

351 posted on 10/22/2004 6:27:52 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Betty Castor the real Florida Disaster)
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To: notkerry

I am still sitting and cannot believe what I witnessed. It was like one camp put the first 10 minutes together and the the Kerry for President did the rest!


352 posted on 10/22/2004 6:29:02 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)
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To: Bill Buckner

How do you balance a cheat and a liar 
that will stop at nothing in order to gain money and power
with an honorable President whose primary focus is protecting
Americans?

It can't be done.

The two are miles apart. Night versus day. Back versus white.

Sinclair Broadcasting Group blew it. They blew it on purpose.

They know that Kerry is unfit to be President. They never asked why Kerry refuses to sign Form 180 which would make public all of his military records. The never said that President Bush signed Form 180. Instead, they quoted a person saying that all of Bush's files have not been found.

Sinclair should have asked why the mainstream media and mainstream journal programs -- 60 Minutes, etc. -- has continuously held President Bush's feet to the fire for the past six months yet have not held Kerry accountable one-tenth as much.

The clearly catered to the mainstream media status quo talking points regarding Rathergate/memogate. Rather than explaining the facts themselves they showed a talking head parroting talking points. The show host said that within 24 hours the blogs had discredited the memos,  The talking head said, paraphrasing, ''the media houses (CBS) doesn't have dozens of people to verify the validity of documents like the blogsphere does."

It's widely known that the experts 60 Minutes used to inspect the documents couldn't verify their validity and were concerned that they may be forged.

I could go on and on. If I get a cop of the show to put on my hard drive I may do complete analysis.

As it stands, Sinclair has used up their one error. They get one second chance. If they repeat their error -- reporting the truth that can be easily manipulated rather than report with honesty that has no gray era -- I'll conclude that they are but another media outlet shooting themselves in the foot and have earned their ticket to go down with the Old Media Titanic.

353 posted on 10/22/2004 6:30:04 PM PDT by Zon
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To those at the DU that are laughing at us

Sinclair may have sold out

Just remember ... A whole lot of Freepers emailed the movie Stolen Honor out to everyone they know .. INCLUDING DEMOCRATS
354 posted on 10/22/2004 6:31:46 PM PDT by Mo1 (This Sept 10th attitude is no way to protect our country)
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To: T-Boy

If they hadn't had Stolen Honor in the TV Guide and hadn't had the hype on advertising it, I wouldn't have been so disgusted. This wasn't even A POW's History so they are going to get the negative reaction they totally deserve.


355 posted on 10/22/2004 6:31:53 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Very good idea! They deserve it!


356 posted on 10/22/2004 6:32:59 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)
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To: Zon

Didn't they fire someone this past week for speaking out against airing Stolen Honor. If he was a Senior producer, he probably had many similar thinkers working for him. At the last minute, they had to throw something together with these less than company CEO leaning reporters. This is what we get.


357 posted on 10/22/2004 6:36:09 PM PDT by T-Boy (Fight for our soldiers. America's best and brightest will require equal pay.)
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To: Zon

Very good points! This was a sellout. I have absolutely zero faith left in the TV broadcast media.


358 posted on 10/22/2004 6:38:18 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)
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To: T-Boy

It definitely looked like it was thrown together after the first 10 minutes.


359 posted on 10/22/2004 6:39:40 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)
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To: hipaatwo

I have wondered many times why the POWs don't sue j. kerry for defamation, mental and physical damages, etc. I think they have a strong case.


360 posted on 10/22/2004 6:40:06 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Bill Buckner; All

sandbagged again.

Can we get a Barf Alert tag on the headline?


361 posted on 10/22/2004 6:40:28 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: EDINVA

I hate to say it but the show that Sinclair showed was a big disappointment. Very little of "Stolen Honor" was used. It's as if Sinclair tried to be so 'in the middle', they just wimped out. I will probably tape over the show. One of my friends, a fellow Freeper, was mad and saying earlier today that Sinclair had just caved. I told her to let's just wait and see the show tonight. Well, I can tell her to go back to being mad. You're best bet to see "Stolen Honor" is to find the link on one of these threads and download it for free. I did that before the tv show and was almost through watching it. "Stolen Honor" is great! Listening to the former POWs and seeing the film footage is very moving.


362 posted on 10/22/2004 6:42:18 PM PDT by dstarr (Proud widow of a Vietnam War and Korean War veteran)
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To: Liberty Valance

Anyone watching Fox? Was that Kerry coming out of a church signing autographs???


363 posted on 10/22/2004 6:42:38 PM PDT by AirForceMom
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To: 2ndGenerationFreeper

I hate to say it, but it really does look like (with the exception of the first 10 minutes) it was thrown together to appease the lawyers. I have seen better productions come out of my college students. Looks like they were running scared...

They know the score. Bush versus Kerry is night versus day. Black versus white.

The terrorists goal is to kill us all or covert us to Islamic fundamentalists.

If they get their way, and having Kerry instead of Bush as President will facilitate them, Sinclair will lose right along with all the rest of us.

They're fools. Sinclair burned the bridge.

364 posted on 10/22/2004 6:44:53 PM PDT by Zon
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To: T-Boy

He was fired for leaking private/privileged information.


365 posted on 10/22/2004 6:53:24 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Our son called today to tell us he's going to Baghdad Dec. 21st. The very thought that this piece of excrement has even a remote chance of becoming my sons boss makes me sick. He said no one he knows on his base is voting for him and more than a few will opt out of the airforce asap.
366 posted on 10/22/2004 6:54:13 PM PDT by AirForceMom
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To: dstarr

I've been following the various threads and chatting with a friends who was watching in a Sinclair market .. is she bitterly disappointed .. guess we all are .. we were suckered to think for ONCE we would get a broad based tv syndicate to show something honest about our POW's, the Swift Boat Vets, Bush, etc .. instead, I heard it was about 10 minutes of POW's and the rest an ad by the Kerry/Edwards campaign :(

Thank you for your and your late husband's sacrifice for this country !


367 posted on 10/22/2004 6:57:43 PM PDT by EDINVA (a FReeper in PJ's beats a CBS anchor in a suit every time)
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To: AirForceMom

He said no one he knows on his base is voting for him and more than a few will opt out of the airforce asap.

Perhaps the most positive thing to come out of watching the program is that it will motivate FReepers and the like to push that much harder to re-elect President Bush.

After tonight I'm hesitant to believe what Sinclair says is the response to tonight's program.

368 posted on 10/22/2004 7:01:33 PM PDT by Zon
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To: AirForceMom

Please give our regards and thanks to your son for his service. We will win.


369 posted on 10/22/2004 7:03:24 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Zon

I'm trying, been bombarding the libs in my family that live in Florida with anything I can get my hands on. I hope they watched the actual d@mning video and not the fluff piece that aired tonight. For all I know, they may have me blocked until Nov. 3rd.


370 posted on 10/22/2004 7:05:45 PM PDT by AirForceMom
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To: Zon

Thanks for the clarification, I did not attempt to misinform.


371 posted on 10/22/2004 7:06:28 PM PDT by T-Boy (Fight for our soldiers. America's best and brightest will require equal pay.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Thank you...........best thanks we can give them is thier boss for 4 more years. :)


372 posted on 10/22/2004 7:07:04 PM PDT by AirForceMom
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To: EDINVA

I hope this works. Even if this isn't clickable, then do a search under the thread title. There is a link in the 4th comment down to download "Stolen Honor".


HOT Chapter Meeting on Sunday -View "Stolen Honor" and "FahrenHYPE 9.11 plus more..


373 posted on 10/22/2004 7:10:19 PM PDT by dstarr (Proud widow of a Vietnam War and Korean War veteran)
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To: PhiKapMom
Excuse me, but I was not defending anybody! I just made the point that Sinclair is not the real enemy.
Sure they caved... they would have been better off not showing anything.
But now everyone here seems to want Sinclair to fall off the face of the earth!... I have some of the same feelings about them.
Now wouldn't THAT be the icing on the cake for the libs...
Oh.. and by the way... Seniority on FR does not necessarily make one intelligent.
374 posted on 10/22/2004 7:15:08 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Trout-Mouth

Sinclair may have dropped the ball, but the vets won't... you can count on that.


375 posted on 10/22/2004 7:24:04 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: PhiKapMom
My Direct TV banner says: POW Story: Politics, Power, and the Media.

Watching this thread develop, I got the impression that the puppets from F.A.G. had taken over the Sinclair studio by gun point!
;^>

Minutes 5 to 15 were unique for broadcast TV - in that the truths presented in Stolen Honor were presented as a legitimate subject.

The rest of it was just more of the same stuff broadcast TV puts out. Some of it even handed, some of it sKerry puff.

The only problem I had with it was the bit on Dubya's TANG service - it was grossly uniformed.

Overall, I would say this was a net gain for Dubya.

376 posted on 10/22/2004 8:03:58 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry plans to graft post-Vietnam policy on Iraq: Kill Allawi and let the Syrian Baathists take over)
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To: Bill Buckner

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377 posted on 10/22/2004 8:39:11 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Safrguns
I just got off the phone with a friend whose husband is voting for Kerry. I called them earlier and told them to tune into the POW story. I had to call after the show to find out what they thought. My friend, although she is voting for Bush, did not have a clue what these Vets were talking about. I had to take the segment about the "Up the River" and Rasmussen's story and tell her that what she saw was a lie and explain what the SwiftBoat Vets said. There has yet to be a comprehensive program explaining each incident, medal, and particulars on T.V.

Even the Stolen Honor version is not clear to someone who is watching this "cold." We are all having to do the leg work by explaining to these "news" deprived and/or ignorant folks what this is about.

O'Neill has rarely been allowed to explain what he is saying issue by issue, or even cover the specifics of even one element during an interview. It is totally unfortunate but, we have to face the fact that if you do not have or choose not to use your computer, or if you only watch the news as a pacifist (as many many people do) you will simply never get it on your own.

Further, there are many families that have had no one in the military since their father or grandfather. The military and how it functions I do not believe is well understood. I think, Military people believe the general public understands the particulars discussed by these POW's and SwiftBoat Vets. In reality there are many that have no idea how a military is run, how one receives honors, or how one is discharged, or for that fact that there is a dishonorable or less than, discharge. I wonder how many of our young people even know who Benedict Arnold was and that he committed treason? Do they even know what treason is?

If these news' idiots are only casual listeners and do not turn to other sources to put the puzzle together, it simply will not matter what production is put on t.v. UNLESS or UNTIL a COMPREHENSIVE discussion is aired and watched.

We need to carry some of the water for these Vets that have once again put themselves on the battlefield. I am just not sure how to do that when a significant amount of the population doesn't want to even talk about the election. I think we are talking to the choir. Those that want to sing are singing loud and clear, those that don't want to sing, won't anyway.

I am disappointed by Sinclair's show but I give great praise for what these Vets have accomplished for some of us.

Maybe we should stage pro-war activity and counter the activities of the anti-war folks?
378 posted on 10/22/2004 9:04:39 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th (As one Vet said--When John Kerry loses, it will be the parade the Vets never had)
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To: Bill Buckner

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254113/posts

This post is not friendly toward the Sinclair airing.... I don't know..... we don't get Sinclair here.... where I grew up, Sinclair was a gas station!


379 posted on 10/22/2004 9:09:46 PM PDT by Just Lori (Before you can win the peace, you have to win the WAR!)
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To: Trout-Mouth

I am not surprised by your post. I believe many people do not understand what the fuss is all about. They need to be given a clear portrayal of the problem instead of media scam. I was so hoping that Sinclair would give the POW's their fair shake. I am highly disappointed that they were robbed AGAIN!


380 posted on 10/22/2004 9:28:22 PM PDT by MistyCA (Sign the Form 180, Kerry!)
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To: MistyCA

I agree however, I still do not believe that even Stolen Honor does it. It covers the wider picture but people need to see details of what is behind the comments of treason. Our laws need to be stated and taken on in conjunction with what these Vets are saying. I view this the same as I do a public education. It is for the average person with a brain. Assumptions cannot be made. Yes, the POW's and likewise the SwiftBoat Vets were robbed again. Congressional Hearings on Kerry are what need to take place but that is very doubtful--even if he is elected--gotta go wash my mouth out now.


381 posted on 10/22/2004 9:35:54 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th (As one Vet said--When John Kerry loses, it will be the parade the Vets never had)
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To: Trout-Mouth
I'm so ashamed.

I recently sent Mark Hyman an e-mail about a story he did relating to senate voting records. I had to search the website (click on 5 or 6 links to find the information/truth.) No reply. Now I know why. He sit us up.

I'm very disappointed.
382 posted on 10/22/2004 10:26:26 PM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: PhiKapMom

There is the Sinclair press release that said they weren't guaranteeing viewers that Stolen Honor wouldn't be shown in it's entirety posted elsewhere on FR. I gather from the posts tonight, Sinclair wasn't caving in to outside forces. I'm just surprised so many seem surprised Stolen Honor wasn't shown in it's entirety. It has been known for nearly a week that Sinclair wasn't going to show the whole thing unedited.


383 posted on 10/22/2004 10:45:23 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: Trout-Mouth

I agree. It needs far better coverage by someone with the intent to discuss the real issues! Sinclair made just another non-event. They are just like any other media ho.


384 posted on 10/23/2004 12:02:13 AM PDT by MistyCA (Sign the Form 180, Kerry!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

It does not matter that Stolen Honor was not shown in it's entirety. What matters is that the issue is given proper coverage and the questions raised by the POW's are covered. They were not. The POW's were shined on and made to look like their issue had no legs. That is a disgrace.


385 posted on 10/23/2004 12:04:49 AM PDT by MistyCA (Sign the Form 180, Kerry!)
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To: MistyCA

I agree. If the media is going to focus on the Bush NG records for a whole six months, surely they could find an hour of their time to focus on the POW's and what they have to say. We have yet to hear from Carlton Sherwood, who's 42 minute documentary turned out to have 32 minutes end up on the cutting room floor.


386 posted on 10/23/2004 12:13:57 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Charlton Sherwood is not a happy camper. He put the film out for free on his site now too.


387 posted on 10/23/2004 12:41:58 AM PDT by MistyCA (Sign the Form 180, Kerry!)
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To: MistyCA
Charlton [sic] Sherwood is not a happy camper.

I don't blame him. He even offered Kerry to come on and offer a rebuttal at the end of his documentary, Kerry refused, and Sinclair hacks up Sherwood's 42 minute documentary into a 10 minute pro-Kerry whitewash. I'm sure this isn't what Sherwood intended to happen.

388 posted on 10/23/2004 12:49:47 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Did you see Sinclair's braodcast?
I only watched the complete video on line.


389 posted on 10/23/2004 12:52:54 AM PDT by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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To: onyx

I watched the video online as well. From what I gather from those that were able to see the Sinclair stations broadcast tonight, it was a pro-Kerry fluff piece according to those who have seen the Sinclair broadcast. I don't have a local station owned by Sinclair, so watching the video online was my only option, and apparently what I watched was not the same thing broadcast on TV.


390 posted on 10/23/2004 12:57:20 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

That's precisely what I have gathered from the various threads.

Pity Sinclair caved.
They're still gettting blasted.


391 posted on 10/23/2004 1:02:50 AM PDT by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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To: onyx

I think the biggest losers in this "fight for the truth" are the viewers and the producer of this documentary. It is a shame that Sinclair caved to outside pressures. I figure they should have either shown it in it's entirety, or don't show it at all, instead of twisting it into something it's not.


392 posted on 10/23/2004 1:08:18 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I agree with you.


393 posted on 10/23/2004 1:09:06 AM PDT by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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