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National Treasure it is NOT!

Posted on 11/29/2004 12:37:12 PM PST by BereanBrain

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To: TheBigB

This must be making the rounds on the internet.

I was on another board and someone eluded to something like this...

I can't believe there are people that gullible in the world.


101 posted on 11/29/2004 12:55:44 PM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: RKV

heaven forbid that the sheeple begin to think for themselves! they might discover that the earth ISN'T the center of the universe! can't have that. people must be kept from developing their intelligence.


102 posted on 11/29/2004 12:55:50 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: RKV

thats silly. i'm looking for a serious response. i'm a member of a fraternity, we have alot of things that makes us a bortherhood. i dont look at freemasonry as much different from a brotherhood, bound by good reason. why do many christian churches dislike them?

disclaimer....i'm just asking :)


103 posted on 11/29/2004 12:56:04 PM PST by KOZ. (Reducing liberalism from a threat to a mere nuisance. Just like prostitution.)
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To: BereanBrain
Don't Trust ME

That's the first lucid thing you've posted.

104 posted on 11/29/2004 12:56:04 PM PST by TheBigB (I sure could go for a charbroiled hamburger sammich and some french fried potatoes!)
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To: BereanBrain

You need to calm down. It is a kids movie.


105 posted on 11/29/2004 12:56:12 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Albert Pike might have been a Mason but so was George Washington, Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, Booker Washington, and Martin Luther King were Masons.

Actually, you can make a not-unreasonable case that the American Revolution itself was a Masonic conspiracy...

106 posted on 11/29/2004 12:56:23 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: mc5cents

There you go! Proof that the Mason have infiltrated EVERYWHERE! /sarcasm Yeah, me too. I was raised Presbyterian and know MANY of the Deacons and Elders who were lodge members. People are afraid of what they don't understand. The fact that the Masons provide an organization in which many members come from different churches is a threat to some.


107 posted on 11/29/2004 12:56:39 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: joebuck; B4Ranch; Squantos; wardaddy; nathanbedford
I thought William Bedford Forrest founded the KKK?

Nah, that was his kid brother Nathan.

William founded the Bilderbergers.

108 posted on 11/29/2004 12:56:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: BereanBrain

Masons make the error of having any semblance of religiosity in their meeting places. A true believing Christian has no place in an organization that allows other religions to hold equal sway in appearance. IMO they should do away with the "ritual" and also with names such as "worshipful master". They could be just a fraternal order that does good works apart from any reference to religion. As a Christian{not in name only} if I saw a Koran or some other "holy" book at a meeting place in a position of special significance, I would be out of there promptly. As Jesus said..."I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, and NO Man comes to God but by Me."...sorry Mohammed, sorry Buddah, et. al.


109 posted on 11/29/2004 12:57:15 PM PST by DoWhatsRight (Liberals are stark, raving hysterical...but I like it!)
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To: Ditto

Oh, you mean the guy in the illustration you show - which is NOT a photograph.

This illustration was made AFTER G Washington's death. Putting all sorts of OCCULT symbology on the founder of our country does not make the OCCULT less so.

as I said before, propaganda of wrapping in the flag..... nothing more.


110 posted on 11/29/2004 12:57:20 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Why don't you reread what I wrote. I didn't say he founded the KKK did I? I merely said that he is said to have founded the KKK and Freemasons dispute that. Forrest was involved in the Klan although he maintained publically that he was not.

You sure you sign on shouldn't be PatPaulsenJr?

111 posted on 11/29/2004 12:57:32 PM PST by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: BereanBrain

The Fraternal Order of the Sister Biting Mooses are not going to be happy about this. I would grab your beeber and get stuned.


112 posted on 11/29/2004 12:57:35 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELLS!)
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To: Travis McGee
William founded the Bilderbergers.

With or without bacon and cheese?

113 posted on 11/29/2004 12:57:48 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah

Ok, poohbah, but I am typing VERY fast here as you everybody is only attacking my character, not my comments - just like you.

I wait for someone who wants to discuss FACTS.


114 posted on 11/29/2004 12:58:49 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: KOZ.

That IS a serious response. No sarcasm. Think about it.


115 posted on 11/29/2004 12:59:00 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

You will love the ceremony. Especially the part when the young Catholic tells us how he was molested by his local priest.


116 posted on 11/29/2004 12:59:07 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: BereanBrain
Masons! Masons!


117 posted on 11/29/2004 12:59:08 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Do you mean there is no one alive who has heard of it? Are you a ghost? I just talked to a 32nd degree mason who has never heard of it.


118 posted on 11/29/2004 12:59:33 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: BereanBrain

It's the Templars and the Priurre de Sion ... they're infiltratng America through popular culture. 1st the DaVinci thingy, now this ... the sky is falling, they are coming .. arrgghhhhh!!!!!!!!!


119 posted on 11/29/2004 12:59:44 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Ahhh yes, I've heard rumours of that, but with all the secrecy, cabals, etc... it's difficult to know what is true and what is not...

Glad to know that part is true.


120 posted on 11/29/2004 1:00:10 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: camle

Yeah, they might find out that they some things in common with people who don't follow the dogma they get in church every Sunday, and might even like them! Dogs hanging out with cats, etc. Their little world might just get turned upside down.


121 posted on 11/29/2004 1:00:33 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: KOZ.

the catholic church also for centuries banned the teachings of Gallelio for heresy. with their record of tolerance and understanding ("kill them all - let God sort them out", the inquisition, etc.) i wouldn't be puching cathlolicism as a model of charitibla behavior.

their dislike for freemasonry is less based upon tolerance, and more upon the bad history between some masonic groups and their refusal to cede their treasuries to the church.


122 posted on 11/29/2004 1:01:54 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: lolhelp
Do you mean there is no one alive who has heard of it? Are you a ghost? I just talked to a 32nd degree mason who has never heard of it.

Psssshaw. A 32nd Degree? Harrump. I wouldn't expect a piddly low-ranking 32nd Degree mason to know anything that really goes on in the Upper Secret Levels...

123 posted on 11/29/2004 1:01:55 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I can't wait until my promotion to 250 degree...

They also pick up the premium on your dental coverage


124 posted on 11/29/2004 1:02:01 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: hometoroost
You sure you sign on shouldn't be PatPaulsenJr?

LOL,no.

125 posted on 11/29/2004 1:02:14 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: RKV

thought i might get some info. obviously not. quite honestly i dont care enough about it to keep asking.


126 posted on 11/29/2004 1:02:21 PM PST by KOZ. (Reducing liberalism from a threat to a mere nuisance. Just like prostitution.)
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To: My2Cents

I've have never seen either, so I'll take your two cents worth for it. (little pun there)

When I watch a movie though, pure entertainment is exactly what I seek.


127 posted on 11/29/2004 1:02:47 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you were still in the womb, would you trust your life to Specter?????)
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To: nuffsenuff


Gullible are the people who believe EITHER side without checking it out!

Just read a copy of MORALS and DOGMA by Albert Pike and you won't believe your eyes.


128 posted on 11/29/2004 1:03:16 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: shotokan

Good, cuz my current premiums are really taking a bite. Luckily, my Dentist is also a Mason, so he gives a discount, but I can't wait for the Full Coverage... Sweet.


129 posted on 11/29/2004 1:03:19 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: BereanBrain
Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous code. This sacred congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore, the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and, therefore, membership in them remains forbidden.

The faithful, who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion. It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the declaration1 of this sacred congregation issued Feb. 17,1981.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
Prefect

Father Jerome Hamer, O. P.
Titular Archbishop of Lorium Secretary

1 In an audience granted to the undersigned cardinal prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this sacred congregation. Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Nov. 26, 1983

130 posted on 11/29/2004 1:03:38 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: BereanBrain

George Washington, Ben Franklin and other founder's membership in the Masons is a matter of historical fact. Like it or not.


131 posted on 11/29/2004 1:03:42 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Hey, Chad, be sure and not divulge any of our plans to rule the world, by eliminating the Catholic Church, OK?


132 posted on 11/29/2004 1:03:56 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Poohbah

Poor Nate......


133 posted on 11/29/2004 1:04:31 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

"Luckily, my Dentist is also a Mason..."

I bet your fillings NEVER fall out! Nut the trowel has to hurt like heck...


134 posted on 11/29/2004 1:04:33 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Shhhhhhhhhhh! ;0)


135 posted on 11/29/2004 1:04:41 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: KOZ.

A 5 minute Google expedition would take care of it for you.


136 posted on 11/29/2004 1:05:17 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: Frank_Discussion

Oh yeah, he used a dam and had my mouth open reeeeeeally wide, cuz he was trying to put the fillings in with a trowel, and it was a back tooth... Man, the corners of my mouth bled for days...


137 posted on 11/29/2004 1:05:38 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: akorahil
I think that was the stonecutters (from the simpsons) - definitely a spoof on the huge amount or propagandizing that goes on regarding the free masons. I had a relative (step-grandfather) pass away a year ago that was a member of the free masons. Nothing about any of his ideals were suspect in my eyes. As far as I could tell, their beliefs were based on the bible's teachings and a strong (read steadfast) belief in God.

I find it hard to connect the dots between the KKK and the free masons, even if a the KKK was supposedly founded by a member of the free masons.

All of us christians at the funeral thought it was ridiculous that the pastor at their church refused to marry my g-ma in law and my step-grandfather all because he was a member of the free masons. In the end, he did a service and delivered a eulogy - in the presence of the free masons in attendance. G-ma has been a long standing member of the church, and was quite hurt by the pastor's actions.
138 posted on 11/29/2004 1:05:44 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Since you like to throw stones at the Catholic church, why don't you also smear the Baptists, Methodist, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Church of England, etc - ALL of which have denouced Masonry as incompatible with Christianity?

Go ahead, I know you can do it....


139 posted on 11/29/2004 1:05:46 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Chad Fairbanks
"I object to the demonization of masons!"

140 posted on 11/29/2004 1:06:00 PM PST by TheBigB (I sure could go for a charbroiled hamburger sammich and some french fried potatoes!)
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To: BereanBrain

Someone put er in your name after the B.


141 posted on 11/29/2004 1:06:47 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Frank_Discussion

"Nut" should be "But". Sheesh.


142 posted on 11/29/2004 1:06:56 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

:)


143 posted on 11/29/2004 1:07:34 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: BereanBrain

I'd never smear the Baptists. Nor would I smear anyone else - as a Baptist, I can only sit and watch, in sadness and regret, that the rest of ya all Burn In Hell, while Baptists like me will get to spend eternity hanging with the Main Dude...


144 posted on 11/29/2004 1:07:45 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: lolhelp

you don't even know what a Berean is.


145 posted on 11/29/2004 1:08:04 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Poohbah

Don't be too hard on them Poohbah. They're just victems of our failed pubic skool systems.


146 posted on 11/29/2004 1:08:39 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you were still in the womb, would you trust your life to Specter?????)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

you are not a Baptist


147 posted on 11/29/2004 1:08:46 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: My2Cents

I liked it!


148 posted on 11/29/2004 1:09:07 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: joebuck

Actually, it was General Nathan Bedford Forrest, late of the Confederacy in 1871.


149 posted on 11/29/2004 1:09:14 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: BereanBrain
Just read a copy of MORALS and DOGMA...

I think the beginnings of wisdom lie in reading a SECOND book, by a differing author, then a 3rd, a 4th and so on.

At some point, the careful reader will begin to acquire a critical capacity. This is the key to intellectual development.

It can't be said too often - reading that 2nd book is all-important.

150 posted on 11/29/2004 1:09:51 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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