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National Treasure it is NOT!

Posted on 11/29/2004 12:37:12 PM PST by BereanBrain

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To: BereanBrain
you don't even know what a Berean is.

I believe it's a word used among Assembly of God preachers, as a tribute to some early founder of the church who accidently came to church drunk one sunday and was trying to say "Brain", right? Am I right? What do I win?

151 posted on 11/29/2004 1:10:08 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: BereanBrain

Freemasonry is a self-serving secret organization that has at its higher levels the full intent to control the world, largely in association with religion. Contrary to the opinion of many, even at the Blue Lodge levels (the first three stages of Freemasonry), it is not a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu organization. It is a conglomerate of all religious beliefs including Satanism. It is a Luciferian worshipping organization bent on domination of the world.

Freemasonry has become a religion unto itself with developed rituals that omit reference to particular beliefs and focusing upon an indifferent god called The Great Architect of the Universe (GAOTU). For instance, one may not pray in the name of "Jesus." If a Christian lodge does so, and it is reported to the grand lodge, it can be closed. Nor, supposedly, can one pray to Allah or in the name of any other god or goddess—though pagan gods are often symbolized.

Benevolence is not a goal of Freemasonry. Benevolence is a method of mollification used to promote goodwill for an organization that through prior criminal activity had lost its public esteem. The development of the Shriners and Masonic charitable organizations –no matter how good the charitable works they do– are used to enhance the image of Freemasonry — a major arm of the Illuminati and associated organizations.

Its secret oaths bind its members to come to the aid of a brother, to lie when necessary, to protect a brother even if he has committed a great criminal act. Masonic judges are bound to set their brothers free should it at all be possible or at least to give them the lightest sentence applicable to the crimes committed. Police officials will not arrest or at least will do whatever they can to protect fellow Freemasons. Keep in mind that the higher the rank in civil government, police agencies, and in the military the more likely it is that the person is a Freemason. They see to the promotion of their own members.

Prime ministers and other civil government leaders are bound to pardon or otherwise set free Freemasons, including war criminals, when deemed opportune. When a Freemason is in need, or the opportunity avails itself, government benefits are showered upon him. Government contracts are awarded to fellow Freemasons. Among qualified astronauts a Freemason is apt to be selected. Revolutions, Rebellions, World Wars, and World Organizations (example: League of Nations) are often associated with or even fomented by Freemasons.

Collusion among Freemasons is rampant in society, government, and religion of all faiths. Muslims, Jewish, Catholics and others cooperate when it is to their advantage to do so and will even finance each other when it is profitable or serves Masonic goals. Prisoners of War who are Freemasons are given special treatment by captor Freemasons. Injustices in regard to non Freemasons by Freemasons are commonly overlooked. It must be kept in mind that Masonic oaths and their other practices are self-serving. They are not favorable to non-members who are seen as pawns to be either used (canon fodder) or disposed of at will.

Discrimination by Freemasons is required. No one can be a Freemason who is not a person of status, does not have quality of looks, is a negro, is not physically sound, is not above average in intelligence, or is not of financial worth. Higher levels of Freemasonry require one to be of greater wealth and have a home of substantial value. Being willing to entertain has added value in this hedonistic society with a focus upon sex worship at its highest levels.


152 posted on 11/29/2004 1:10:20 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: BereanBrain

Ok, what ya got on these groups?


153 posted on 11/29/2004 1:10:43 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Thanks for laughing, I just wanted to make it clear that the views of the original post were not my own.


154 posted on 11/29/2004 1:10:46 PM PST by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: GSWarrior

Hate it when they do that. Makes me want to wipe my hand on my trousers. 8^)


155 posted on 11/29/2004 1:10:50 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BereanBrain

I am too. The rest of ya all are heathens.


156 posted on 11/29/2004 1:10:59 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: BereanBrain

Berean is a character from Tolkein's The Silmarilion, the pre-history to The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

He was a man that married an elf, producing the ancestors of the Numenorean line, Aragorn's forbears.


157 posted on 11/29/2004 1:11:04 PM PST by wvobiwan (Touchdown! Suckers walk...)
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To: ariamne

In October, 1993, the Council of the District of Columbia received "proposed legislation" titled "Albert Pike, Ku Klux Klan Memorial Statue, Removal Resolution of 1992, PR 9-526." The request to have the President of the United States remove this statue was submitted by council member William P. Lightfoot. Mr. Lightfoot claimed



"The United States Congress, on April 4 and 5, 1898, authorized a private organization to place the statue of Albert Pike on the public land of the United States, being falsely informed only that Albert Pike was a leader of white freemasons in the southern states, and 'a distinguished citizen of the United States, an able lawyer and statesman, an accomplished poet, and a brave soldier.'"


158 posted on 11/29/2004 1:11:42 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: JesseHousman

I've known black Masons. You might want to double check that "negro" exclusion thing.


159 posted on 11/29/2004 1:11:57 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: wvobiwan

I think its Beren, though.


160 posted on 11/29/2004 1:12:17 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: BenLurkin

prince hall masons - they are NOT in the same lodge - get yourself edumacated.


161 posted on 11/29/2004 1:12:35 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

Oh, it's all about which lodge is it?

Oh boy.


162 posted on 11/29/2004 1:13:42 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: NonZeroSum

"Actually, you can make a not-unreasonable case that the American Revolution itself was a Masonic conspiracy..."

Careful now, let us not get "not-unreasonable"..

oops....too late....

8^)


163 posted on 11/29/2004 1:13:47 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Baptists like me

Hey, me too! Preach it, brother! And afterwards, we'll have dinner on the ground...

164 posted on 11/29/2004 1:13:47 PM PST by TheBigB (I sure could go for a charbroiled hamburger sammich and some french fried potatoes!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Hold on there, this heathen is a Baptist too.


165 posted on 11/29/2004 1:13:47 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you were still in the womb, would you trust your life to Specter?????)
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To: BereanBrain

The Myth About The Shriner's Fez

This Article is available in the following formats:
  1. PDF Masonic Talk for Lodge Presentations

We've all seen the Shriners, those jolly philanthropists with the red jackets, red fez and shining scooters they so enjoy driving in parades. What may not be known is that these men are not all play and no work. Their tireless efforts raise over two million dollars each day for a wide variety of hospitals. What is also not known by many is that each and every member of the Shrine is a Freemason as well.

One would think that a group whose main purpose is to have fun helping kids would be free from ridicule and malicious and slanderous attacks. Sadly such is not the case. Like Freemasonry itself, the Shriners are the targets of falsehoods aimed at damaging the credibility and work of this organization. Case in point the story about the origins of the Shriner's fez.

What follows is taken from the web site "Saints Alive in Jesus," run by Ed Decker, an evangelist and one of the foremost anti-Masons active today.

"Shriners are also known for their little red hats with a tassel. What people, including most Shriners don't know, is that hat called a Fez is named for a town in North Africa. In the 7th century Mohammed ordered the destruction of all infidels (anyone who would not bow to Allah) including all Christians. As the Muslim warriors swept across North Africa they came to Fez a Christian stronghold and they killed everyone in the town, they then dipped their hats in the blood of the Christians martyrs. They wore these blood red hats as a celebration of their victory and a warning to Christians, to convert to Islam or die."

From the article Freemasonry Revealed by By Rev. William Sudduth
http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/sudduth.htm

This is a common misconception among Evangelical Christians, which has for too long gone unchallenged. As the author states, it is not well known. Of course it is not well known, because it never happened and it is a myth like so many used to defame Freemasonry and in this case, The Shrine organization.

These same individuals would have the public believe that the Shriners are an Islamic cult within the Masonic fraternity. Another example of an organization that perpetuates this myth is the evangelical cartoonist, Jack T. Chick, author of the anti-masonic tract, The Curse of Baphomet. Perhaps a little background on the Shrine will show the origins of the Arabic symbolism in the organization.

In the late 1800,s Manhattan had 900,000 residents of which several thousand were Masons. Many of these men enjoyed taking their lunch at the Knickerbocker Cottage on Sixth Avenue, where they met on the second floor. The luncheons were greatly enjoyed by all and were a welcome respite from the seriousness of the degree work in which each man was engaged in his home lodge. A common conversation, resulting from the jovial attitudes of the diners was to form a new Masonic fraternity based on fun, good times, and fellowship. While little came out of the conversations two of the regulars, William J. Florence, a well known actor of the day, and Walter M. Fleming, a medical doctor, decided to take matters to hand and do something about the idea.

As a celebrity of the New York stage, Florence had occasion to travel throughout Europe and the Middle East. While on tour in Marseilles, France, Florence took part in a private party given by an Arabian diplomat. The entertainment for the evening was elaborate musical comedy, which concluded with the guests becoming members of a secret society.

Florence felt that this production may be just what his colleagues at the Knickerbocker Cottage needed to implement there idea of a new fun based Masonic fraternity and to this end made all sorts of sketches and notes while in France. While on tour he had the opportunity to attend the production in Cairo and also in Algiers and expanded his notes at both events. Upon his return he explained the idea to his friend Walter Fleming, who agreed to assist him.

Fleming was born in 1838 and had served in the Civil War as a surgeon with the 13th New York Infantry Brigade of the National Guard and moved his practice to New York following the war. It was Fleming who converted Florence's notes and sketches into what would become the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine.

The etymology of the name Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine has raised some question as to its origins. However, if one rearranges the letters of the name they see possibly that it was nothing more than an attempt to code, in a humorous way, the phrase A M A S O N.

Once completed, Fleming and Florence took the idea back to their friends at the restaurant and together the group formed the ritual, costumes, salutation and emblem of the order. It was these men that decided members would wear the red fez.

The founders of the order had some assistance in the persons of Charles T. McClenachan, William Sleigh Paterson and Albert L. Rawson, who wrote the initiation rites of the new group. McClenachan and Patterson were both experts on Masonic ritual and were likely the chief workers on the ritual portion, while Rawson, a noted scholar, is likely to have provided much of the Arabic background for the same.

The group chose the crescent as the jewel of the order. Any material can be used in forming the crescent, but the most valuable are the claws of a Royal Bengal Tiger, united at their base in a gold setting. In the center of the emblem is the head of a sphinx, and on the back are found a pyramid, an urn and a star. The motto inscribed on the jewel is "Robur et Furor," which means "Strength and Fury." Later additions to the emblem were the scimitar from which the crescent hangs, and a five-pointed star beneath the head of the sphinx. It is this later form that is used by the order today.

The fez, which is the official headgear of members then and today, has been accused by many to have unchristian origins, which we saw earlier and will return to in due course.

The first meeting was held on September 26, 1872 at the New York City Masonic hall where the first Shrine was formed. This first Shrine Temple was called Mecca. Like many new organizations, the shrine was not an immediate success and the second temple was not established until 1875 when one formed in Rochester, New York. By 1878, the order had grown to 13 Temples and a decade later in 1888 the order had grown to include 48 Temples and over 7,000 members. Growth was most prosperous between 1900 and 1918 with many new members joining and many new Temples forming.

During this later period of growth it was decided that there should be an official Shrine charity. While individual Shrines undoubtedly contributed to charity, there was no one central goal for the order. This changed in 1919 when Freeland Kendrick visited a Scottish rite hospital for crippled children. Kendrick was moved by what he saw as a great need for these children. The rest is history.

Today there are 22 Shriner's hospitals for children serving various needs. Twenty are located in the United States and there is one in Canada and one in Mexico. The hospitals are involved in orthopedic care, burn care and spinal cord injury. Indeed the men who wear the red fez have a great deal to be proud of. Unfortunately as we have seen there are those who wish to paint the fez in mythical blood.

The fact of the matter is that history shows quite a different origin. Sultan Idris I, who won a battle against the resident pagans, founded the city of Fez in the 8th century. Although his motivations may well have been to convert the residents of Fez to Islam, his successor Idris II was much more tolerant and it is this ruler who saw the advancement of the Fez. Wishing to encourage the local economy he expanded the town to the other side of the river. During this time dyes were not particularly well known for brilliance in color. However, the Moroccans were in possession of a formula for dye, which was highly prized. This dye was a bright crimson in color and it is from this dye and the fact that the caps were made in the city of Fez that the cap takes its name.

While there is no historical evidence to support the claim that Christians were massacred at Fez and the facts on the origins of the fez present another story, it has not stopped those opposed to Freemasonry from perpetuating a falsehood in regard to the origins of the fez.

(from http://www.freemasoninfo.ca)

166 posted on 11/29/2004 1:14:00 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: BereanBrain

I some questions. Are you calling George Washinton and several other founding fathers anti-Christian conspirators? Also, why did you lie about who started the KKK?


167 posted on 11/29/2004 1:14:08 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Poohbah
Your grammar is as atrocious as your power of observation. I didn't write the word assassinate. I was referring to someone else's mispelling.

I'm working this side of the street.

168 posted on 11/29/2004 1:14:35 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: ariamne

Right you are, "Beren". Shoot, so much for my dazzling Tolkien lore.


169 posted on 11/29/2004 1:14:41 PM PST by wvobiwan (Touchdown! Suckers walk...)
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To: BereanBrain
It was a fun movie. I rather enjoyed it!
170 posted on 11/29/2004 1:14:42 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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Freemasonry

Freemasonry, teachings and practices of the secret fraternal order officially known as the Free and Accepted Masons, or Ancient Free and Accepted Masons.

Organizational Structure

There are approximately 5 million members worldwide, mostly in the United States and other English-speaking countries. With adherents in almost every nation where Freemasonry is not officially banned, it forms the largest secret society in the world. There is no central Masonic authority; jurisdiction is divided among autonomous national authorities, called grand lodges, and many concordant organizations of higher-degree Masons. In the United States and Canada the highest authority rests with state and provincial grand lodges. Custom is the supreme authority of the order, and there are elaborate symbolic rites and ceremonies, most of which utilize the instruments of the stonemason-the plumb, the square, the level, and compasses-and apocryphal events concerning the building of King Solomon's Temple for allegorical purposes.

The principles of Freemasonry have traditionally been liberal and democratic. Anderson's Constitutions (1723), the bylaws of the Grand Lodge of England, which is Freemasonry's oldest extant lodge, cites religious toleration, loyalty to local government, and political compromise as basic to the Masonic ideal. Masons are expected to believe in a Supreme Being, use a holy book appropriate to the religion of the lodge's members, and maintain a vow of secrecy concerning the order's ceremonies.

The basic unit of Freemasonry is the local Blue lodge, generally housed in a Masonic temple. The lodge consists of three Craft, Symbolic, or Blue Degrees: Entered Apprentice (First Degree), Fellow Craft (Second Degree), and Master Mason (Third Degree). These gradations are meant to correspond to the three levels-apprentice, journeyman, and master-of the medieval stonemasons' guilds. The average Mason does not rise above Master Mason.

If he does, however, he has the choice of advancing through about 100 different rites, encompassing some 1,000 higher degrees, throughout the world. In the United States, the two most popular rites are the Scottish and the York. The Scottish Rite awards 30 higher degrees, from Secret Master (Fourth Degree) to Sovereign Grand Inspector General (Thirty-third Degree). The York Rite awards ten degrees, from Mark Master to Order of Knights Templar, the latter being similar to a Thirty-third Degree Scottish Rite Mason.

Other important Masonic groups are the Prince Hall Grand Lodge, to which many African-American Masons belong; the Veiled Prophets of the Enchanted Realm (the fraternal fun order for Blue Lodge Masons); and the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Thirty-second degree Masons who, as the Shriners, are noted for their colorful parades and support of children's hospitals). There are also many subsidiary Masonic groups, including the Order of the Eastern Star, limited to Master Masons and their female relatives; De Molay, an organization for boys; and Job's Daughters and Rainbow, two organizations for girls. Many of the orders maintain homes for aged members.

Development of the Order

The order is thought to have arisen from the English and Scottish fraternities of practicing stonemasons and cathedral builders in the early Middle Ages; traces of the society have been found as early as the 14th cent. Because, however, some documents of the order trace the sciences of masonry and geometry from Egypt, Babylon, and Palestine to England and France, some historians of Masonry claim that the order has roots in antiquity.

The formation of the English Grand Lodge in London (1717) was the beginning of the widespread dissemination of speculative Freemasonry, the present-day fraternal order, whose membership is not limited to working stonemasons. The six lodges in England in 1700 grew to about 30 by 1723. There was a parallel development in Scotland and Ireland, although some lodges remained unaffiliated and open only to practicing masons. By the end of the 18th cent. there were Masonic lodges in all European countries and in many other parts of the world as well.

The first lodge in the United States was founded in Philadelphia (1730); Benjamin Franklin was a member. Many of the leaders of the American Revolution, including John Hancock and Paul Revere, were members of St. Andrew's Lodge in Boston. George Washington became a Mason in 1752. At the time of the Revolution most of the American lodges broke away from their English and Scottish antecedents. Freemasonry has continued to be important in politics; 13 Presidents have been Masons, and at any given time quite a large number of the members of Congress have belonged to Masonic lodges. Notable European Masons included Voltaire, Giuseppe Mazzini, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Franz Joseph Haydn, Johann von Goethe, Johann von Schiller, and many leaders of Russia's Decembrist revolt (1825).

Opposition to Freemasonry

Because of its identification with 19th-century bourgeois liberalism, there has been much opposition to Freemasonry. The most violent in the United States was that of the Anti-Masonic party. Freemasonry's anticlerical attitude has also led to strong opposition from the Roman Catholic Church, which first expressed its anti-Masonic attitude in a bull of Pope Clement XII (1738). The Catholic Church still discourages its members from joining the order. Totalitarian states have always suppressed Freemasonry; the lodges in Italy, Austria, and Germany were forcibly eradicated under fascism and Nazism, and there are now no lodges in China.

Bibliography

See R. F. Gould, History of Freemasonry throughout the World (rev. ed., 6 vol., 1936); A. G. Mackey, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry (rev. ed., 3 vol., 1946); F. L. Pick and G. N. Knight, The Pocket History of Freemasonry (4th ed. 1963); C. Kephart, Concise History of Freemasonry (2d ed. 1964); E. Bebe, The Landmarks of Free Masonry (1980); J. Ankerberg and J. Weldon, The Facts on the Masonic Lodge (1988).

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171 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:12 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Heh heh heh


172 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:13 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Reminds me of an old joke.

A group of Christians die and go to Heaven. They are being given a tour of Heaven by Saint Peter and finally they arrive at a tall, gorgeous building where they are told they will reside. As they are going up the elevator, suddenly Saint Peter calls for everyone to be quiet and remain quiet because they were approaching the 16th floor. A few seconds later Saint Peter tells the group that it is okay to talk again. Of course, the people want to know why they had to suddenly be quiet at the 16th floor.

Saint Peter responds that the 16th floor is where they keep the Baptists and they think they are the only ones here!

173 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:13 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: BereanBrain

Are you saying that Washington was not a Mason?


174 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:47 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: BereanBrain

Berean. You're going to have to either check your spelling before posting or change your handle.


175 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:48 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: F.J. Mitchell

just as much Baptist as Bill Clinton was - go to make his "connections" and all the while strike down Patrial-Birth Abortion ban.

Don't be fooled by what people say they are - look at their actions


176 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:54 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: JesseHousman
I didn't write the word assassinate. I was referring to someone else's mispelling.

Except that you used a different misspelling. (Note the 2nd "s" in misspelling.

177 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:54 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: kingu

Singing... I'm never gonna do it without the Fez on, oh no... oh no...


178 posted on 11/29/2004 1:16:41 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: bushisdamanin04

ROTFLMAO...


179 posted on 11/29/2004 1:17:09 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: BereanBrain
BTW, I've known a white Baptist Mason as well.

What 'lodge' is that?

180 posted on 11/29/2004 1:17:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BenLurkin

I'm gonna go see it in a couple of hours, I'll have to see if it's worth all the fuss generated on this thread:)


181 posted on 11/29/2004 1:18:19 PM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Thanks. The first time I heard the joke it was about the Assembly of God.


182 posted on 11/29/2004 1:18:31 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Nope, I am not AOG.

A Berean was a group of people in th NT who were commended by Paul for wanting to "prove all things" rather than taking the word of one person over another, even if that person was Paul.

Berean is spelled differently in older NT translations.


183 posted on 11/29/2004 1:18:57 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Singing... I'm never gonna do it without the Fez on, oh no... oh no...

No! No! You have to wear the Fez; it's mytical birth control and it will hide your mistress from your wife! (At least, I expect this will be the next attack on the Shriners...)
184 posted on 11/29/2004 1:19:08 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
My criteria for joining has always been who serves the cheapest drinks.

The Eagles won,oh yea,they do good stuff too.

185 posted on 11/29/2004 1:19:10 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: wvobiwan
Berean is a character from Tolkein's The Silmarilion

No, that was Beren. I think Berean was a character from that Monty Python movie, The Life of Berean.

186 posted on 11/29/2004 1:19:19 PM PST by ecurbh () | () | ()
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To: jriemer

ROTFLMAO!!!

I haven't heard that song in 10 years at least.


187 posted on 11/29/2004 1:19:25 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: not_apathetic_anymore

It is a pleasant entertaining film. Not great cinema, but has fun historical refrences and shows refreshing respect for our founding fathers.


188 posted on 11/29/2004 1:19:51 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BereanBrain

I sure know what a bean brain is.


189 posted on 11/29/2004 1:20:25 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: mdittmar

My parents were in the Moose lodge... Went to a few things at the Lodge as a kid, and quite frankly it was boring... except when I'd wander around finishing people's drinks...


190 posted on 11/29/2004 1:20:42 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (01010010 01001111 01010100 01000110 01001100)
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To: kingu
33º Freemason Senator Strom Thurmond (R-SC) and fellow Masons honor the laying of the cornerstone (picture in 1993). http://watch.pair.com/mason.html#us
191 posted on 11/29/2004 1:22:24 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: BereanBrain

Do you know that all the Presidents but two (Clinton and Kennedy) were Freemasons?


192 posted on 11/29/2004 1:23:14 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BereanBrain
LOL!

You do know that there is a spell checker incorporated into the posting screen. I suggest you use it, unless you wish to be ridiculed unmercifully.

193 posted on 11/29/2004 1:23:25 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Modernman

Actually you are incorrect.

Clinton was a mason.

but there were LOTS of presidents that weren't

But what does that prove?


194 posted on 11/29/2004 1:25:42 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Chad Fairbanks
My parents were in the Elks,Moose,Eagles,VFW,...

Guess having 5 kids in the house promotes membership;)

195 posted on 11/29/2004 1:26:30 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: BereanBrain

Could I ask Paul and Silas??

8^)


196 posted on 11/29/2004 1:28:02 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: Cold Heat

ridicule me all you want.

It doesn't matter how I spell any word. The problem is the content that Freemasons don't want to hear.

I think people on FR are wise enough to spot ad-hominim attacks...


197 posted on 11/29/2004 1:28:10 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: The SISU kid

Why don't you ask Simon? You'll be seeing him.


198 posted on 11/29/2004 1:29:39 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Modernman

Not true. Here is the list

James Buchanan
Gerald R. Ford
James Garfield
Warren G. Harding
Andrew Jackson
Andrew Johnson
Lyndon B. Johnson
William McKinley
James Monroe
James Polk
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Harry S. Truman
George Washington

http://www.usconstitution.com/PresByMasons.htm


199 posted on 11/29/2004 1:29:48 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: RKV

And we ALL know politicians are updstanding honest individuals....why don't you put WJ Clinton on the list?


200 posted on 11/29/2004 1:31:24 PM PST by BereanBrain
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