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Phantom of the Opera - The movie

Posted on 12/29/2004 5:15:48 AM PST by djf

I am curious if any Freepers have seen the Phantom in movie form. For those of us who are old enough, it seems impossible that anyone could match Crawford and Brightman and the London Symphony.

Having read the play, I can only say that the opera surpasses it by far. And Webber, no matter what his politics are, is an extraordinary genius.


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1 posted on 12/29/2004 5:15:49 AM PST by djf
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To: djf

We have not seen it, but plan to go when it reaches our "neck of the woods". I promised my son I would take him. While he is not much of a theater fan, and we have only seen a few shows, this movie has caught his attention.

The movie reviews I have read were awful. 'Curious about what others have to say.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 5:30:07 AM PST by didi
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To: DollyCali

Ping


3 posted on 12/29/2004 5:31:58 AM PST by ride the whirlwind (The smallest Good Deed is better than the grandest Good Intention.)
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To: djf

The wife & I are planning a date to go see it when it gets here to rural MI.


4 posted on 12/29/2004 5:34:28 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: djf
It is a masterful, effective romantic epic.

The movie is NOT a clone of the stage. It's a different experience from the stage, and if the Phantom audience can suspend their stage expectation, they will find a totally new view of Phantom.

Andrew Lloyd Webber, whose mark is all over this movie, is a romantic addict and genius.

6 posted on 12/29/2004 5:35:46 AM PST by joyful1
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To: djf

Is hollyweird making any new movies?


7 posted on 12/29/2004 5:37:55 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Pray for the millions of lives disrupted by tsunami.)
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To: djf
My 14 year old and I went Christmas Day. What a powerful movie! . Wonderful production , the cast was super and movie offered detail the play can't.

I thought it well worth the time to see and enjoy it. I think the kidlet and I may see it again.

8 posted on 12/29/2004 5:41:26 AM PST by gatorbait
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To: djf

Neither lead could hold a candle to Crawford or Brightman, vocally. The movie phantom...no charisma. The movie Christine...lovely voice, however, too "young" top register; acting...it was as if someone told her to "just sing" and show no emotion on her face. Boring.

Patrick Wilson, as Raoul, terrific !
Orchestrations, set, costumes wonderful.


9 posted on 12/29/2004 5:44:41 AM PST by pioneerstakethearrows
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To: TMSuchman
Amazingly it is currently playing in Lansing. The Mrs. and I went to see it on Sunday afternoon. We thought it was a great musical (opera in English). The effects were amazing. I especially liked the transition from b/w to color near the beginning.

Try to see it in a theater with a good sound system, well worth the extra couple of bucks over a second run (or typical small town) theater.

We don't see a lot of movies first run, maybe 5 this year. This was the best of the lot.
10 posted on 12/29/2004 5:47:30 AM PST by garyb
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To: garyb

Were down here at Devils Lake, Adrian gets over looked alot by the good stuff.


11 posted on 12/29/2004 5:49:02 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: didi

Most of the users of yahoo reviews were good. I did not see the stage production so I cannot compare the two. I emjoyed it. Joel Schumaucher's direction and editing of the movie was superb. I think Emily Rossum did well. The scene between her, Gerard Butler(Phantom) and Patrick Wilson at the end was moving. It is worth seeing because of things they could do that they could not do on stage. The NY Times gave it an F but what does that mean? We all know the NY Times being what it is.
Brad in Houston


12 posted on 12/29/2004 5:51:45 AM PST by bradactor
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To: didi

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/phantom_of_the_opera/


THEATRICAL RELEASE
Dec 22, 2004 Limited

NUMBERS
Box Office: $6,323,567
details...

CONSENSUS
The music of the night has hit something of a sour note: Critics are calling the screen adaptation of Andrew Lloyd Webber’s popular musical histrionic, boring, and lacking in both romance and danger. Still, some have praised the film for its sheer spectacle.

CAST & CREW
Gerard Butler, Emmy Rossum, Patrick Wilson
Directed by Joel Schumacher
more...

SYNOPSIS
Andrew Lloyd Webber’s The Phantom of the Opera tells the story of a disfigured musical genius (Gerard Butler) who haunts the catacombs beneath the Paris Opera, waging a reign of terror over its occupants. more...

MPAA RATING
PG-13, for brief violent images

RUNTIME
2 hours, 23 minutes

RELEASE COMPANY
Warner Bros.

GENRE
Musical & Performing Arts, Musicals, Musical, Adaptation, Love Affairs, Musicians, Actresses, Mysteries, Based On A Novel


13 posted on 12/29/2004 5:54:29 AM PST by Petes Sandy Girl (~*~ W 2 ... The Legacy! ~*~)
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To: djf

Saw it, it was awsome.

Never saw any other version, so I have nothing to compare.

So good, I went back again.


14 posted on 12/29/2004 5:55:15 AM PST by RaceBannon (Jesus: Born of the Jews, through the Jews, for the sins of the World!)
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To: djf

Thought it was good..of course I am biased towards Crawford as the Phantom. He was better. But Christine was very good and the sets were also. My 18 year old son loves it and has seen it twice!


15 posted on 12/29/2004 6:02:03 AM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: pioneerstakethearrows

I was woefully disappointed with Brightmans "Harem".

She needs better direction. Perhaps she should re-marry Webber.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 6:05:29 AM PST by djf
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To: didi
The movie reviewers have their heads up their @$$&$. As usual.

I saw it. I thought it was excellent. Don't look for any "stars": there aren't any. (Well, maybe one, depending on your definition ...) There are, however, a whole bunch of good actors who can sing.

If you can, try to find a theatre with SDDS.

17 posted on 12/29/2004 6:06:15 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: djf
I've seen the stage production twice: Once in Lost Angeles and the other in New Yawk, on Broadway.

Haven't seen the movie version yet as the reviews scared me away. After viewing some of the comments below I might make an attempt to catch it at a good (re: sound system, screen) theater.

18 posted on 12/29/2004 6:09:50 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: djf
Reviewers in this case were idiots - either "phans" who hated the movie when it was first announced, or purists who complained because it supposedly wasn't "exactly" like the play. Some reviewers also don't like filmed musicals on principle (Reviewers also didn't like the "staged" feel of the film about Cole Porter, "De-Lovely.")

Personally, I liked it & will probably see it again.

19 posted on 12/29/2004 6:11:23 AM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"Is hollyweird making any new movies?"

Of course not, and why should they? It has been figured out a long time ago that the constant regurgitation of the familiar will net at least "X" amount of revenues. As an added plus, this allows writers to focus "new" material on social-issue movies like "John Q" and "Erin Brockovich" that try to teach you to vote for the Democrats.

I have some fairly (ahem) exclusive contacts in the industry and here is a list of new films being worked on for release in 2005-2007:

Match Game '75: The Movie

Captain Caveman

Goodnight, Beantown

My Three Sons

Tenspeed and Brownshoe

20 posted on 12/29/2004 6:19:59 AM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: DoctorMichael

I also saw it on Broadway. It was an amazing experience. I am waiting for the movie to arrive.

Here is a link to the film's web site. It is nicely done. http://phantomthemovie.warnerbros.com/

And here is the link to the trailers.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thephantomoftheopera/trailer/


21 posted on 12/29/2004 6:20:15 AM PST by Unknown Freeper
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To: Sam's Army

Why don't they make a remake of the remake.


22 posted on 12/29/2004 6:22:39 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Pray for the millions of lives disrupted by tsunami.)
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To: pioneerstakethearrows

I love Sarah Brightman--because she's so cute and seems to like men (naturally I love women who like men); however, Sarah needs a few more practice sessions if she's going to upstage Cecilia Bartoli.


23 posted on 12/29/2004 6:28:58 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

That's actually in the works. Look for a new version of "Cape Fear" in 2008. And, with the mediocre showing of "Fat Albert" recently, look for them to get an honest-to-goodness fat guy to play the role (as opposed to someone in a
"fatsuit")and do a re-launch next Christmas (oops, I meant Holiday Season--sorry if I offended anyone, the re-education hasn't set in yet)


24 posted on 12/29/2004 6:31:30 AM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: djf

You need to remember one thing...many "critics" hate ALW and his productions. They'd have done anything to give Phantom a bad review. I've seen it on stage three times, love the music, and always find something I missed the last time. Will catch the movie soon.


25 posted on 12/29/2004 6:35:04 AM PST by semieverything
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To: djf

Saw two stage productions and really liked the movie. My only disappointment was "Masquerade." The costumes were dull, almost all black and white and did not come remotely close to the stage production.


26 posted on 12/29/2004 6:38:45 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Sam's Army

Cape Fear is past do for it's third round as is Miracle on 34th Street.

When are they going to quit casting girly boys like Leo DeCrappio in manly roles. He should play James Dean of Rock Hudson.


27 posted on 12/29/2004 6:39:26 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Pray for the millions of lives disrupted by tsunami.)
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To: djf
I've seen the play in NY and Cincinnati and loved the music from the start. Used to have nearly the whole production memorized. Read the book and between it and the play (which follows the book fairly closly) realize just how hoibble Hollywood butchers original stories. I saw the version filmed in the 1940's with Claude Raines - they completely changed the story. the psychology of the Phantom's mentaility is changed. In the book and play he is born with the dissfigurement. In the 1940s version he get splashed with acid. The whole point of a life filled with torment is missing - horrible alteration.

The last three Christmas days my wife, son and I have seen the three installments of The Lord of the Rings, so this year we decided to see the Phantom. It was great. The music was wonderful and the extra scene at the end was good. My son and I discussed an obvious omission in the last scene but I won't mention it for fear of spoiling the experience. I think if you see it, you will catch on.
28 posted on 12/29/2004 6:46:48 AM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Sam's Army

Are they ever going to make another Raiders of The Lost Ark?

Ford is not getting any younger and his last several movies have been terrible.


29 posted on 12/29/2004 6:49:41 AM PST by WestCoastGal ("If you can't run with the big dogs, you'd better go sit on the porch." (Daytona 53 days);-)
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To: WestCoastGal
Interestingly enough yes, there will be a re-make of the "Raiders of the Lost Ark", but only the first one. Speilberg has long thought that the portrayal of Nazi's in the first one just wasn't good enough. And, with today's political climate, this one will be set more modern day, with Neo-con's taking the role of "bad guy".

There's an open call for Karl Rove look-a-likes this coming March for auditions.

30 posted on 12/29/2004 6:55:01 AM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: djf
Both the wife and I saw the movie on Sunday in Harrisburg, PA.
I might add that we have also seen the stage production in NYC.

My take on the movie is that the music, staging, cinematography, and Emmy Rossum’s Christine were fantastic! I was even more impressed when I found out that Ms. Rossum is only 19 years old.

However, I thought that Joel Schumacher could have done much better with the casting of both the Phantom and Raoul. I was not all that impressed with either Gerard Butler or Patrick Wilson’s performance.

Gerard Butler, in my opinion, cannot sing. In fact, I would go as far as to say that he couldn’t hold a note if it had a handle attached.

And Patrick Wilson must have taken acting lessons from Pee Wee Herman, because his portrayal of Raoul was one of the wimpiest I have ever seen. On a brighter note, at least he can sing.

31 posted on 12/29/2004 6:58:25 AM PST by cuz_it_aint_their_money (Now that I've made it onto Taglinus FreeRepublicus, guess I've got to come up with a new tagline!)
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To: djf
Having performed in "Phantom" in Europe, I won't waste my money. Although given a 13 month contract by the producers, I exercised my option to leave after 4 months as I had grown to hate performing in this grotesque and cynically contrived piece.

Lloyd Webber was rightfully sued by the Giacomo Puccini estate for plagiarizing Puccini's "La fanciulla del West" for the theme of "All I Ask Of You". He settled out of court. Although I was not privy to the details of the settlement, scuttlebutt among long-time cast members was that the Puccini Estate receives a small percentage of the profits of "Phantom" worldwide. As Billy Crystal opines in the movie "Forget Paris", the big song in "Phantom" (i.e.,The Music Of The Night) is "School Days" ("School Days, School Days; Dear, old Golden Rule days...).

Personally, I am convinced that the success of "Phantom" has more to do with a lot of smoke on stage, candles coming out of the stage floor and the robotic boat in which the Phantom plies the supposed underground lake, than with the music, most of which is poorly written from a technical standpoint, and almost all derivative from Lloyd Webber's betters. Certainly, Handel and Bach lifted bits of melody from other composers, but they then turned those themes into glorious masterpieces. Conversely, Lloyd Webber appropriates glorious themes from other composers and turns them into pop mush.

There is no way that Joel Schumacher can take a poor work like "Phantom" and make it into something worth seeing and hearing.

Modern musicals are produced by such sickening no-talents that Lloyd Webber can seem like Richard Rodgers in comparison. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

32 posted on 12/29/2004 7:31:39 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: djf; ride the whirlwind

Hey, ride..thanks for ping.. Movie lover & addict that I am, must put in my 4 or 5 cents.

I saw stage plays 4 times. twice in Toronto & twice in Cleveland. They were remarkable & I enjoyed them.

I thought the movie was excellent and I agree with someone's comments on going to a theater that has the top quality sound.

our theater was packed with people of all ages It was a Cinemark with the largest seating venue & had DLP & digital sound that was awesome. The whole audience broke out into applause at the end.

There is a magic and charm in live theater.. there is another magic & charm in movies.

There is an artistic enlargement in the movie & I think it was great. Things can be done in movies that you cannot do in theater.

To always compare something to something else & not let it just be what it is as entertainment , can really rob one of much that any movie (or play or concert) has to offer.

Somehow Minnie Driver having someone else's voice rubbed me the wrong way.. not sure why she had the role (which she acted well.) It is just that there are so many super talented actresses WHO CAN SING also. just thought it strage. (is she sleeping with one of the producers?)


33 posted on 12/29/2004 3:59:42 PM PST by DollyCali (ChristMAS - there is really "MAS" in Christ.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
You know dr t, everyone's perspective is different. You are obviously a professional with much more discernment. (I am saying this in a respectful and understanding way) most of us are "end users" with varying levels of tolerance for what is presented.

for you it would be a waste of money... for me it was delightful. Neither of us is wrong. We are just different. Lots of people loved the movie.. lots will dislike it.

I try to find the silver linings in the movie selections I chose. I do go to a lot of movies..

I was years ago a professional dancer & so I am a bit like you when it comes to ballet & dance presentations in general.

But, ah with movies.. they permit me to run away from the mundane of life, the problems of life & the anxiety and for awhile go to lands of make believe.

I appreciate your comments, although they are surely much different than mine

34 posted on 12/29/2004 4:07:57 PM PST by DollyCali (ChristMAS - there is really "MAS" in Christ.)
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To: BernardSumner

Heh. New Order fan?


35 posted on 12/29/2004 4:23:49 PM PST by segis
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To: didi

I'm a big fan of the stage production and found the movie to be slightly disappointing. I enjoyed a majority of it... the cinematography was great, there were some added scenes that explained more of the story, etc, but the voice of the phantom was the biggest problem. The phantom was suppose to be Christine's TEACHER! You'd think they'd get an actor who could sing, for crying out loud! On a scale of 1 to 10 it was a 5 for me.


37 posted on 12/31/2004 8:55:33 AM PST by Softballmom
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To: Sam's Army
... look for them to get an honest-to-goodness fat guy to play the role (as opposed to someone in a "fatsuit")

Don't you *hate* that? To me, it's just a modern version of "blackface" - you know, we want to see a black character, but "those people" shouldn't be allowed on stage, so we dress white actors up as black people instead. It's *grossly* insulting. Just get a fat actor or actress, for crying out loud.

38 posted on 01/01/2005 12:32:36 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: djf

The only thing the film has going for it IMO is Minnie Driver. I am in love with that woman. However, my ardor is not strong enough to sit through a musical that I HATED when I saw it on Broadway.


39 posted on 01/01/2005 12:34:02 PM PST by Clemenza (President: Liger Breeders of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: valkyrieanne

Wow. Hadn't quite thought of it that way, but you are spot-on.


40 posted on 01/01/2005 1:59:33 PM PST by Sam's Army (No witty taglines currently come to mind)
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To: gatorbait
My 14 year old and I went Christmas Day. What a powerful movie! . Wonderful production , the cast was super and movie offered detail the play can't.

You've convinced me to see it.

41 posted on 01/02/2005 9:27:35 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Let me know what you think of it.


42 posted on 01/02/2005 1:25:25 PM PST by gatorbait
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To: gatorbait

I don't think Phantom is playing in my area yet, but eventually it'll get here. Did you see The Incredibles? We see movies at a local historic theater that gets them after they're finished at the multi-plex theaters. Incredibles just started on Friday with big audiences.


43 posted on 01/05/2005 5:14:18 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Not yet and I think I need to se it .Looks funny and probably a nice escape from the garbages out there. Thanks,I'll take your suggestion.


44 posted on 01/05/2005 3:22:45 PM PST by gatorbait
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To: didi; djf; Borax Queen
I am a total phan - have been since about 14 when I saw the stage production for the first time. I fell in love instantly. I've seen it 4 times, read the original novel and another great POTO book called "Phantom" by Susan Kay many times, and get very excited over anything Phantom related. I was really apprehensive about the movie because I truly LOVE this story and I didn't want Hollyweird screwing it up.

Well, I wasn't disappointed. I've seen the movie 3 times now and am going again tomorrow ;-) I really do love it. The only major thing that could have been better was Gerard Butler's voice. I think he is great in the role and acts it well, but he just can't pull off all of the singing. This sucked for me, because I was already a major fan of his before POTO. I don't think it ruins the movie at all, you just can't compare him with Michael Crawford (of course, who can compare to him??)

Emmy Rossum does a great job, and I really enjoy her singing. She's not Sarah Brightman, but I think for the movie, her voice, which is less opera-y is better. I think Patrick Wilson is fine - he didn't make a strong impression on me one way or the other. I thought Minnie Driver was funny, though her performance bordered on over-the-top. The rest of the cast was good too.

The ending changes were really good, although I felt Butler's performance here (as far as the singing) was his weakest in the movie. I cry every time I listen to the end of my 2 CD set when Michael Crawford closes with "It's over now... the music of the night." Heart wrenching. I'm not quite feeling that with Butler. :(

I did have some minor nits about the movie: (*** MILD SPOILERS AHEAD ***):
1. They changed Erik's (the Phantom) background and personal history with the Opera house in the flashback scene with Madame Giry, which I thought was lame. They also de-mystified his magic and powers of illusion, ventriloquism, etc. There is no way he would have been so sloppy as to leave the mirror from Christine's dressing room open.
2. I didn't like the "dancers" in the Point of No Return scene AT ALL. I couldn't stop laughing every time they came up and that is supposed to be a serious and seductive scene - laughing is not good. ;-)
3. The horrid, awful, B-movie, ridiculous organ/keyboard (?) music they added to the graveyard scene, during the sword fight and then again when the opera house is on fire was just cheeeeesy and BAD. ICK!
4. Some of the lines that were sung in the stage production are spoken in the movie and at times seems awkward.
5. They changed some lines and lyrics for no apparent reason. I guess when you memorize the CD, you really notice these things.
6. I thought there was an accent problem in the movie - only one person was using a French accent, in a movie set in Paris. The rest of the cast was a mix of English and American (except Carlotta, and I thought Minnie did pretty good). I think this problem stood out mostly because Giry's accent was so pronounced. It made you notice that no one else was speaking with a French accent.

My favorite things about the movie:
1. The music - so glad they kept ALW's original score with almost all of the songs intact.
2. The scene with Buquet's murder is awesome.
3. The sword fight in the graveyard is awesome (minus the keyboard music!)
4. I liked the way they did the flashbacks in color and then transitioned to B&W.
5. Loved the opening, which gave me goosebumps.
6. The "Prima Donna" song sequence is hilarious.

I could go on but I'm sure you all already think I'm a total nutso Phantom freak.... guilty ;-)

Even after my minor complaints, I think the movie is great, and I totally recommend it. Though I'm not completely crazy about Butler's singing, he still did better than a few of the guys cast in the stage productions that I saw, plus, he's *quite* good looking, even with half a scarred face, so that makes up for it... ;-)

Hope my two cents helps! Sorry for the rambling... :-)

LS
45 posted on 01/05/2005 7:49:05 PM PST by LadyofShalott
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To: LadyofShalott
Hope my two cents helps! Sorry for the rambling... :-)

It does. I thought I'd just go with my husband, but now I'm taking other family members.

46 posted on 01/06/2005 7:12:33 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Cool! I hope you and the family enjoy it.

;)
LS


47 posted on 01/06/2005 8:24:15 PM PST by LadyofShalott
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To: djf

This movie was about Frenchmen with Some Issues. I fell asleep. My wife tells me it was a good movie. I give the theatre seats 4 stars for comfort.


48 posted on 01/07/2005 8:45:16 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Their women give good lamentation, maybe we can conquer them again sometime.)
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To: djf

I am a huge Brightman fan. She's the only arist for which I own multiple CD's. Her Eden CD is my favorite (and her concert was amazing).


49 posted on 01/07/2005 8:48:42 AM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: All
Just wondering whether those of you who planned to see the movie after reading this thread actually went and what you thought of it. I absolutely loved it(but wished an older and better singer would have played the Phantom)! Of course, I've seen the Bway show eight times, have the cds and will be purchasing the dvd as soon as it's released.

I think it's so unfair what the critics are attempting to do to this movie but I think word of mouth will increase its ticket sales.

50 posted on 01/12/2005 1:11:55 PM PST by nycgal
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