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Was JonBenet Murder an AIM Signature Crime?
Vanity | February 5, 2005 | Vanity

Posted on 02/05/2005 8:41:49 AM PST by Snapple

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Don't blow me off too fast. I am pretty up to speed on my radical (alleged) Indian groups and their activities.


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A signature crime is a crime where the killer leaves little clues as a signature.

I think it is possible that the murder of JonBenet Ramsey in Boulder was done by AIM, which has been a terrorist organization that was full of drug dealers and criminals who preyed on Indians, bombed Mt Rushmore Visitor Center, killed FBI agents and even their own members.

AIM's goal is to damage the prestige of the FBI because the FBI investigates serious crimes on Indian reservations.

AIM bombed the visitor Center at Mt Rushmore, killed two FBI agents at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, and murdered one of their own members--Anna Mae Asquash--because she may have known of their criminal activities.

AIM were the big defenders of the Indian criminal Leonard Pelltier, who was convicted of the murders of two FBI agents at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.

Peltier's lawyer was a Boulder attorney named W. Lee Hill. The now infamous professor Ward Churchill probably fabricated fake evidence in the so-called "Mr X hoax."

Lee Hill manipulated the investigation of the Ramsey murder. He had several clients present fake evidence and even tried to influence the grand jury improperly. He fled Boulder and disappeared when he was arrested for assault and weapons charges. He was rearrested with a bag of big knives and some little knives--probably burglar picks. This a the kind of lawyer her is--he runs away from his own trial.

Ward Churchill, according to media reports, orchestrated the Mr X hoax. He had a guy wear a mask and confess to a writer that he--not Peltier--killed the FBI agents. Lee Hill wrote about this as proof.

How is it any proof when a masked man confesses murder to a writer?

I think some AIM people killed JonBenet Ramsey. I have had that theory for years. They did it to bring down the government in Boulder and to discredit the FBI and police.

This was a signature crime and--in my personal opinion--has AIm written all over it.

The father of this child was named John Ramsey. This is the name of a notorious criminal and murderer of OSage Indians in the 1920s. The FBI caught and prosecuted him successfully. This name would have a lot of symbolism for AIM because they model a lot of their propaganda on the FBI file about the Osage Indian Murders. The Osage murders were called the Time of Terror.

This is also what AIM called the alleged "unsolved murders" that it blamed on the FBI at Pine Ridge. So AIM knows the name John Ramsey and it would be a name of great symbolism--a white man who murdered Indians. Killing his child would be a kind of signature crime.

The killer/s signed the note "Victory! S.B.T.C" There are a lot of theories about this signature. Here is my thoery: The Internet company that serves Mt Rushmore is http://www.sbtc.net

AIM hates Mt Rushmore as a symbol of the American government and once bombed the Mt Rushmore visitor center. Calling yourself SBTC is a kind of hint, a signature.

One of the apocryphal stories about the murder of the FBi agents at Pine Ridge was that they were looking for a person who stole some cowboy boots. The FBI investigates serious crime on Indian reservations.

Reportedly, the summer home of the Ramsey family in Michigan was burglarized. The burglar left a suitcase and a pair of cowboy boots. This may be a kind of signature.

Lee Hill, Leonard Peltier's lawyer and runnaway accused felon, influenced a Ramsey discussion forum. He was friends with the owner of the forum and provided information. He had been associated with a retired CIA official in a detective company called VERLOC.

I asked the forum if Lee Hill gave VERLOC that name, and the resonse was no.

I thought the name was odd, because it is the name of a terrorist/bomber/anarchist in Conradd's novel The Secret Agent.

The big point is, what is an AIM lawyer's motive for bringing forth fake witnesses in the Ramsey case and influencing the grand jury improperly--which is what Lee hill did.

Some people have written that Ward Churchill is not really an Indian and not really AIM. I don't care about his blood/ethnicity. But I would like to know if he also had a role in Lee Hill's activities in Boulder. He and Hill seem to have been joined at the hop when it came to Peltier.

Both are card-carrying AIM. Like any radical group, AIM has several schisms all claiming to be "the one true AIM." I have no use for any of them.

Hill and his minions propagandized that the FBI and Boulder authorities were protecting a powerful ring of pedophiles. This is the latest in radical propaganda and radical Indian propaganda--that the US government is behind powerful pedophile organizations.

The real target of the killers may not have been the innocent little child but the law enforcement.

Oh, and Lee Hill was running for office. Now he is running from the law. And if he is cought, put his DNA into the FBI database. Pronto!

1 posted on 02/05/2005 8:41:49 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Huh?? Sounds like a script proposal for the 'X-Files'


2 posted on 02/05/2005 8:46:06 AM PST by drt1
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To: Snapple

I don't buy it.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 8:46:34 AM PST by Kirkwood (Liberals gave the world "Rock the Vote." George W Bush gave the world "Iraq: The vote!")
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To: Snapple
I think some AIM people killed JonBenet Ramsey. I have had that theory for years. They did it to bring down the government in Boulder and to discredit the FBI and police.

Then they failed. Boulder and the FBI were knocked down but not out.

4 posted on 02/05/2005 8:47:24 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: Snapple

Well, I am not very fond of conspiracy theories anyway. So if you throw this theory into the mix, then you'd better have some strong factual information to back it up.


5 posted on 02/05/2005 8:48:21 AM PST by Kurt_D
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To: Snapple

Sweetie, I think you have waaaaaay too much time on your hands.


6 posted on 02/05/2005 8:49:00 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: Snapple

Sounds funny to me.


7 posted on 02/05/2005 8:49:06 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Snapple

Calling Oliver Stone. Calling Oliver Stone.


8 posted on 02/05/2005 8:49:21 AM PST by angkor
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To: Snapple


Patsys good for it.


9 posted on 02/05/2005 8:53:03 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Snapple

Anything's possible, I guess. I'm not familiar with Hill nor much that went on with AIM and the FBI.

I sure wish they'd find the subhuman who murdered that little Ramsey girl.


10 posted on 02/05/2005 8:53:32 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Snapple

Isn't it a bit early to be drunk? :)


11 posted on 02/05/2005 8:54:07 AM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: Snapple

You've been doing a lot of research on this.
It's interesting.


12 posted on 02/05/2005 8:55:18 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Snapple
You should take that back.

Accuracy in Media could never be behind such a thing.

FAIR, on the other hand...

14 posted on 02/05/2005 8:55:35 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: theDentist

AIM = Accuracy In Media?


15 posted on 02/05/2005 8:55:59 AM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey
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To: Snapple

16 posted on 02/05/2005 8:58:56 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

This AIM is the American Indian Movement.

Their terrorist activities and murders are a matter of public court record. And so is what Lee Hill did.

I have a lot of information. But Ward Churchill is in self-destruct mode now so just be patient.


17 posted on 02/05/2005 8:59:19 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

American Indian Movement (I think)


18 posted on 02/05/2005 8:59:33 AM PST by theDentist (Jerry Springer: PBS for White Trash)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

aol instant messenger, signature with a smiley face?


19 posted on 02/05/2005 9:00:20 AM PST by isom35
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To: drt1

It sounds like the X files because these guys are really dangerous.

Bin Laden sounds crazy, too, but he is real.

And Ward Churchill, I was told priveately, spent time in Lybia with other AIM members.

We have incoming.


20 posted on 02/05/2005 9:01:26 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple
This is WAY out there and I certainly wouldn't know if it is true or not. But the parents didn't kill her, I could come closer to believing your far fetched theory.
21 posted on 02/05/2005 9:02:06 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Kirkwood

Google some of the information. These events all went to court because they were crimes and terrorism.


22 posted on 02/05/2005 9:02:24 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Kurt_D

Do some searches.


23 posted on 02/05/2005 9:03:26 AM PST by Snapple
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To: theDentist

Would you believe it if there was a one armed man seen fleeing the Ramsey House? What if he had a tomahawk in that hand?


24 posted on 02/05/2005 9:05:33 AM PST by Feiny (Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.)
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To: Snapple

Just out of curiosity...how many John Ramsey's are listed in the Boulder phone book? I mean, why choose this John Ramsey? And wasn't there evidence of semen? What's the point of that if they just wanted to kill her?
Have you run your theory by the Ramsey's?


25 posted on 02/05/2005 9:05:42 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Snapple

I've been looking since 1996 for someone capable of explaining the Mission Impossible script. I think your the one.


26 posted on 02/05/2005 9:06:37 AM PST by hflynn
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To: Snapple
This is what is commonly known around these parts as a load of crap.

We already know who is directly responsible for JonBenet's death. The evidence points in their direction. Their behavior following her death was highly questionable for people who were supposed to be grieving (e.g., promptly leaving the state, insisting police detectives submit questions in advance and being questioned together).

You want to know who killed JonBenet? It was not some domestic terror group. IT WAS HER PARENTS.

27 posted on 02/05/2005 9:07:44 AM PST by Houmatt (America's own Holocaust: Abortion.)
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To: nuconvert

Read the book by Laurence Hogan called The Osage Indian Murders. Hogan is retired from the FBI and a former Congressman.

AIM took the FBI file on the Osage and reworked the material into their propaganda and lies about Pine Ridge.

They even stole the same term, "Time of Terror" to describe the fabricated allegations of killing they made up at Pine Ridge.

The FBI files are on the Internet but are difficult to read and very long. Do a search for FBI+osage+indian

AIM takes this case and turns it on its head. They claim that the FBi protected killers/even killed Indians.

For good information on Pine Ridge go to http://www.noparolepeltier.com

This is very complicated because the people are so crazy that it doesn't seem to make sense.


28 posted on 02/05/2005 9:08:17 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Very interesting. I never heard anything about this before. You have noted some intriguing coincidences indeed.


29 posted on 02/05/2005 9:11:04 AM PST by A knight without armor
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To: Snapple

AIM was also behind the assassinations of Presidents Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley, and has been holding Amelia Earhart at an undisclosed location. They are also suspected in the unexplained death of Scipio Aemilianus.


30 posted on 02/05/2005 9:13:30 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: nuconvert

I don't think what we read in the papers or on the Internet about this case is exactly what the police have.
They failed to make a case against the parents. I don't know about you, but if I flipped out and killed my child the police would find my fingerprints and evidence everywhere. The average parent can't clean up after a murder.

It is a well-documented fact that AIM activist and Peltier's lawyer tried to manipulate the Ramsey investigation through his clients.

You need to wonder why an AIM activist is cooking up fake witnesses and why his clients are trying to illegally manipulate grand juries. Read the Boulder papers.


31 posted on 02/05/2005 9:13:31 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Bump for reference


32 posted on 02/05/2005 9:13:54 AM PST by Osage Orange (Why does John McCain always look as confused as a goat on Astroturf?)
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To: Houmatt

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine....the parents had nothing to do with it.


33 posted on 02/05/2005 9:14:25 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Snapple

Okay I didn't blow you off. I read your article. Now, I'm blowing you off. hogwash


34 posted on 02/05/2005 9:14:35 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: Verginius Rufus

You are going to have to eat your words. I have been watching Lee Hill manipulate the Ramsey investigation for years. He even gives information to an internet site.

But when it is time to test his credibilty in a court of law--he heads for the hills.

He carries guns, bags of knives and little thin knives that I think are burglar knives. They have a special name.


35 posted on 02/05/2005 9:16:13 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Time to up your meds?


36 posted on 02/05/2005 9:18:04 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Snapple

I have never thought the parents were involved.
I've always suspected that someone entered their home earlier, waited in the basement for them to come home that night, and then waited for them to go to sleep.

"It is a well-documented fact that AIM activist and Peltier's lawyer tried to manipulate the Ramsey investigation through his clients."

This is intriguing.


37 posted on 02/05/2005 9:19:54 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Snapple
It is a well-documented fact that AIM activist and Peltier's lawyer tried to manipulate the Ramsey investigation through his clients.

Then provide the documentation.

38 posted on 02/05/2005 9:20:43 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagloin down for oil change and lube because it was squeaking)
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To: Snapple
I don't mean to sound flip about something you have obviously spent a significant amount of time and effort researching but - For this to be remotely true it would involve numerous individuals, each of whom would have had to keep their mouth shut, or otherwise avoid a slip up, for what, seven years or more? Knowing what little I do about the Human Condition I just find it hard to accept that there hasn't been such a revelation.

On the other hand, if the Ramsey's are guilty (As I think they are) the secret is concealed by the discipline of only two conspirators, each of whom has a vested interest in maintaining the secret. IMO A much more plausible explanaton for this murder.

39 posted on 02/05/2005 9:21:49 AM PST by drt1
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To: Houmatt
I have no idea who it was, but wasn't DNA evidence found which did not match her parents?

Also, a wealthy individual such as Ramsey would have a personal attorney. That attorney would immediately, upon hearing of the murder, call his client and say, "do not talk to anyone without me present, and don't answer any questions." --S.O.P.

It makes them look guilty, but if they are innocent, they haven't wound up in prison.

40 posted on 02/05/2005 9:24:17 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
"They are also suspected in the unexplained death of Scipio Aemilianus.

LOL - Who is Scipio Aemilianus? The Roman Admiral?

41 posted on 02/05/2005 9:25:35 AM PST by drt1
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To: nuconvert

It isn't just the name. I watch Lee Hill and AIM for years before I made the connection to John Ramsey and the osage Indian murders.

Mainly, it is Lee Hill's manipulation of the investigation.
And now he fled town because he was going to court on felony assault and weapons charges.

That is a real scumbag lawyer.

I didn't connect the name John Ramsey to AIM until I read the book by Laurence Hogan called The Osage Indian Murders.
These FBI files were reworked by AIM into their anti-American propaganda.

The main killer of the Osage was named John Ramsey. My theory is that this is like a private joke of the killer--a deliberate clue. This is what criminologists call a signature.

You need to read about Lee Hill and Peltier and Ward Churchill and Peltier.

Lee Hill was tight with the radical drug addict/wife killer/pornographer/pervert writer Willian Burroughs. Hill was Burroughs lawyer, too. Burroughts spent time in N. Africa after he "accidently" shot his wife in the forehead in Mexico. Later Burroughs would perform as this midieval Iranian terrorist named Hassan Sabbah. He started the organization known as the Assassins. He was like Bin Laden.

Lee Hill was very influenced by his mentor Burroughs. Burroughs lived in Boulder and taught there some. In his old age he lived in Lawrence Kansas which was the home office of AIM I think. Burroughs is dead now, but he loved weapons. He had a real armoury.

It is not me that is crazy--it is them. And they are REALLY CRAZY.


42 posted on 02/05/2005 9:27:42 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
I have no idea who it was, but wasn't DNA evidence found which did not match her parents?

Uh, no.

43 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:16 AM PST by Houmatt (America's own Holocaust: Abortion.)
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To: drt1

I don't think most AIM members would kill a child.
I think it could be one or two who are completly crazy and obbsessed. I don't think this was done as an organization.


44 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:17 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Give me a moment. I need to dig my tinfoil hat out of the closet and press out the wrinkles.

APf


45 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:27 AM PST by APFel (For some reason, the word "Freeper" is flagged by the spellcheck. Someone contact Websters.)
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To: Ditter


John Ramsey himself said that very morning that it was an 'inside' job.

The detective on scene reached for her gun when she looked in Johns eyes as he laid his dead daughter on the floor...she knew.


46 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:39 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: theDentist

It is early, so you should sober-up and do some research on the names and information.


47 posted on 02/05/2005 9:30:13 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple
You know, my first instinct is to think you are a raving loon.

Then I remember the words "La Raza".

I seriously doubt the Ramsey Case and AIM have anything to do with one another.

AIM, however, certainly does bear watching.
48 posted on 02/05/2005 9:31:04 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch


What was found was Patsys pen, Patsys paper...Patsys fibers on the tape on her mouth. Patsys paintbrush was the garrotte...fibers from the paintbrush were inside the baby.


49 posted on 02/05/2005 9:32:01 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Snapple; GunnyBob

Bob, have you read this version of the Ramsey murder?

Ward Churchill connected?


50 posted on 02/05/2005 9:32:45 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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