Posted on 02/16/2005 7:15:17 PM PST by Jutboy
I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.
I don't understand the seperation between our parties, I honestly don't. I don't think republician's want death (I support a "just" war though), wants people to go hungry, wants intolerance (I think any true beilever in god would be againist this).
I can tell you for sure no liberals want these things. Yet somehow our parties always end up fighting. Why?
We always end up fighting each other instead of for the good causes and no one can deny there is so many horrible things happening in this world.
Your motto above says "Defending the Constitution", but thats we feel like we are doing!
Please don't blow me off as being stupid, or self serving, or hatefilled or anything else you view liberals as. Please take the time to explain and not just spread more hate.
Sincerely, Justin
Your real name is Obamalamadingdong.
Conservatives believe in hearty self-reliance. And spell-check.
Me neither...
Spellcheck is your friend.
I can hear the graphite fishing rods in my hall closet sparking from here.
Welcome aboard Justin.
Nothing like a friendly right out of the gate; "how do you and this is what I am".
First, please tell give me one example where we spread hate.
Liberals believe the Government should provide the needy with a Fish and a delivery schedule for their next fish.
Conservatives believe the Govermnent should provide the needy with a Fishing Pole and a map to the nearest stream
It's that simple
I consider myself liberal as well, in the Hayek sense.
I am not, however, a collectivist.
There is no possibility of understanding between liberals and conservatives. The two belief systems are like two ships passing in the night. The fundamental differences in worldview between liberalism and conservatism make a "meeting of the minds" utterly impossible.
I advise you to worry a little less about politics until you can improve upon your spelling, punctuation, and grammar.
Ooh, my lucky day!! Early on two!
First step in understanding is education. Your atrocious spelling and grammar show you need more. Look outside public school.
lets school this needy Liberal, there might be hope for him
Just look at one program. Welfare. It had all the good intentions in the world, but the results were the destruction of the minority family, and generations of people who did not have enough faith in themselves to accomplish anything. Instead of helping it was possibly the most destructive program in history.
Shall I go on?
It will help in deciding how to answer.
GMTA
On a whole, I consider myself a liberal....I can hear the hisses already....Im not sure exactly what it means to be a republician or democrate but I support goverment intervention for the needy (thus raising taxes) which I beileve was the classic definition between the parties.
I will take this one step at a time............Yes the government should support those that are truly needy, but we don't need to raise taxes. If only the truly needy are supported, then the ones that are slackers will be off the welfare rolls and we can help the truly needy.
The biggest difference between liberals and conservatives in the issues you addressed are that liberals see government as the proper vehicle for helping the needy. Conservatives on the other hand, see the role of government limited to those set forth in the constitution. We believe in helping the needy, but we would rather see private charities and churches taking on that task, and leaving the government out of it.
There are many types of people who are called needy. Some are truly in need, and there are those who are truly not. The government does a bad job of differentiating between the two. Since government takes our earnings at the point of a gun, it has no incentive to do a good job or to do it efficiently. Private charities, on the other hand, must show donors that they are doing a good job if they want the donations to come in. That forces them to be more efficient and more effective.
Hey, ya'll! Isn't there an online test to see where you fit on the liberal-consevative scale? Anyone got a link?
It all comes down to "Dignity", there is no dignity in accepting handouts, providing the neccessary tools someone needs to provide for themselves restores their dignity
Welcome to FR! Hang around and be polite and you'll find that this is the best site on the Web. Love abounds here. We even love liberals. Pity them, but still love them. Use your spell check and God is capitalized. Be prepared for some tough moments ahead. If you are truly interested in learning and not posting from a banned IP, this should be fun and educational.
Good post
The first thing you have to do is break your mental connection between compassion and government action. One is not the same as the other.
The next thing is for you to actually read the Constitution. It's amazing the stuff that's in there. It's equally amazing the stuff that's not.
And you could increase your education by subscribing to the Federalist Patriot. http://federalistpatriot.us/subscribe/
Shirley you're knot series.
Some of us don't appreciate having our property siezed, at gunpoint, to be distributed at the whim of petty lords who are interested in nothing bu their own power.
I'm a product of public schools!
And stop calling me shirley!
Do you defend the right to life of unborn babies?
Do you defend the right to keep and bear arms?
Do you defend the right to freely exercise your religion?
Do you defend the right of a man to bear the fruits of his labors without the government taking half?
Are you lost, boy?
Actually, you're right... I'm half watching what I post. My mistake.
I don't wanna :O) Well okay if we must.
We've got some verrrry trigger-happy hombres in these parts. Don't tempt them.
My opinion is that government's only purpose is to protect our individual freedom and personal liberty. Anything else it does tends to infringe our liberties, no matter how noble the purpose.
Raising taxes to aid the needy is a fair example. It infringes our liberty by giving the state power to arbitrarily take an amount of funds of its choosing, by means of coercion, from one citizen to give to another, who falls within an arbitrary state supplied definition of poverty. Assuming that this action is actually beneficial, one can argue for it, assuming that the beneficial result justifies giving politicians and bureaucrats such power over our lives. Unfortunately, the reverse has proven to be true - welfare has actually increased poverty.
BTW, the Constitution does not authorize these kinds of actions by the central (federal) government.
Welcome aboard FR, though, glad to have you and hope you will stay around.
LOL,
Are you gonna respond, or are you fishing for negative comments?
I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.
I don't understand the seperation between our parties, I honestly don't. I don't think republician's want death (I support a "just" war though), wants people to go hungry, wants intolerance (I think any true beilever in god would be againist this).
I can tell you for sure no liberals want these things. Yet somehow our parties always end up fighting. Why?
We don't want any of the things you mentioned above, you have been brainwashed by liberals to think that we do, (their normal way of doing business, just ask howard dean AAAARRRRRGGGGHHH) is Godless, wake up, we are the Christian Coalition. We are God fearing people, and worship Him, 70% of liberals don't go to church, so why put your faith in them? 50% of Conservatives do go to church and believe in GOD.
Liberals and most Democrats think America is the problem and the terrorist's issues should be considered and addressed.
Conservatives and most Republicans think terrorists should be nuked into charcoal briquettes and used for Sunday cookouts.
Is your blindspot such that you are unware of the overtly offensive tone of your post or are ya just trollin' and your blindspot prevents you from seeing that, in the grand scheme of things, you're barely 'skid-mark'?
Mike the best thing I ever read was from a soldier in Iraq. He said when they went to hand out the food rations they came to a farm and the Iraqi told them "thank you, but I don't need it anymore. You gave me seed and fertilizer and now I have enough to feed me and my family with a little left over to sell." He asked the solders to give his rations to someone who needed it. THAT is the meaning of dignity.
Ping...you might be interested in this one...tell me what you think...
Well, you have to watch out for democrates. Crates are dangerous enough, and you sure don't want one that's been a demo.
Tell you what, Justin. Do a search on "DUmmie FUnnies" and read what liberals really think and say. You may not want to be associated with them after you read a few of those threads.
Justin, have you read the Constitution? This isn't a sarcastic question. For example there is no "Seperation of Church and State" there are only the establishment and free exercise clauses. Conservatives/Republicans believe in upholding the Constitution as it is written not as we would like it to be written or as we decide to proclaim it is written so we can get our way.
When you tax people you are taking money that they have earned. You are confiscating their property. Using that money for public purposes like roads is probably a legitimate function of government. Is it a legitimate function of government to take your money to give directly to someone else? Where do you draw the line on what government can and can't do? You draw it where the Constitution says to draw it, not where you want the Constitution to say it should be drawn.
Have you ever looked at the difference in effectiveness between private charities and government social programs?Are you really helping the needy? If you give someone food it is certainly a kind act. If you give someone food to the point where they are dependent on you, are you actually helping them? Are you leaving any room for them to find self-worth and dignity? Is relegating someone to a life a bare sustanance and threatening to cut them off if they try and improve themselves and their lot in life really "helping the needy?" Where is the line between charity and dependency? It falls between the two parties.
There is a limit to how much you can believe in government intervention before you have to stop believing in freedom. Have you considered this at all and if so where do you draw that line? You'll find it to be the same line that seperates the parties.
Frankly, I sometimes ask myself the same question. A divide has opened up that transcends political ideology. It's become very personal. There are some people on the left I hate just as much as I hate Bin Laden. Ward Churchill for example. Michael Moore is another. And yet, Michael Moore was around before 9/11 and while I totally disliked him back then, I really hate him now.
I think many conservatives feel the left is too eager to see Iraq fail. If I have to mention one big issue for me, that would be it.
If you don't understand what you claim you don't,then you need an education,extensive reading,and far more help than you can get from posting such banal drivel on a Conservative forum.
Yup, sure is
Liberals believe in the myth of socialism.
Conservatives know the lies of that myth.
So do the 100's of thousands who have died from that myth.
Somehow, there's a little voice in me saying that this whole thread is a sham.
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