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Time to let this government fall
The Reporter ^ | March 28, 2005 | jpsb

Posted on 03/28/2005 9:55:29 AM PST by jpsb

I have long thought that the issue of illegal immigration would split the GOP base if Bush continued his policy of compassion for everyone but legal US citizens. But the pro-life camp hung in their even though they too mostly opposed illegal immigration. Well has Bush managed to alienate the pro-lifers too. Hell even many Democrats are aghast that what the government is allowing to happen in Fla.

It will take time for the scope of this betrayal to sink in, but when it does it will become clear that the current GOP is not up to the task of running the government and it not deserving of any support. Yea that means the democrats will once again take control of government, oh well, but anything is better then having a completely incompetent conservative in name only government. A completely incompetent conservative in name only government ties the hands of conservatism allowing liberal socialist gains that a loyal opposition minority could stop.

Time to let this government fall, it is not worthy of support.


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KEYWORDS: attentionwhore; blowhard; getout; hysteria; insaneterribot; nutcase; paleononsense; shutup; wahwahwah

1 posted on 03/28/2005 9:55:34 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

I am saving the moderators the trouble of moving this to chat, since I know that is what they would do if I posted this in the main forum.


2 posted on 03/28/2005 9:57:13 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

no he has only managed to alienate the far right fringe that wasnt voting for the GOP in any case....


3 posted on 03/28/2005 10:00:41 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: jpsb

At least with the 'rats you know exactly what you are getting - communism, socialism, corruption. They are what they do.

With the 'pubs you get a bunch of lies saying what they aren't and still get all the same stuff as the 'rats.


4 posted on 03/28/2005 10:01:09 AM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: jpsb

Agree!


5 posted on 03/28/2005 10:01:37 AM PST by Halls
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To: jpsb
"Time to let this government fall, it is not worthy of support."

It begins.

6 posted on 03/28/2005 10:04:18 AM PST by Eastbound (Jacked out.)
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To: MikeinIraq
this from another thread

It could trun out that the bots are right, that just a few right wing crazies see this as a basic, soul revealing good v evil fight. It is plain as day to me. You do not stave to death a helpless woman. I am shocked that aparently only right wings crazies "get it". Even my favorite Laura Ingram backed off. Oh well I guess I am now offically one of the nut jobs here at Free Republic.

You might be right mike, but I know I will be able to sleep at night.

7 posted on 03/28/2005 10:14:48 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: jpsb

I never said it wasn't a tragedy, but going crazy and irrational over it isn't going to help anybody either. I don't understand why people are making Jeb and W the scapegoats here unless they already had an axe to grind (which seems to be the recurrent theme here) with the 2.

Let us not forget that Jeb did save her life 2 years ago. This entire sad situation will give W the ammo he needs for the reforms needed. But let's abandon the party and let the Democrats take over and get 10000% worse. Yeah, that makes sense!! Let's punish the only people that have a chance at getting elected and end up with worse than what we would originally have!! woohoo!!! what a friggin joke.


8 posted on 03/28/2005 10:17:59 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: sarah_f

Look at how effective conservatives were at stopping the liberal agenda when given a free hand as a minority. We were in much better shape under Clinton in many areas by forcing Clinton to address conservative issues. The bush government on the other hand only pays lip service to conservatives while allowing the liberal aganda to move forward. It is not about having a R government it is about moving our agenda forward and if that can be better done with he Rats in power (can that appears to be true) then so be it.


9 posted on 03/28/2005 10:20:18 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: MikeinIraq
the far right fringe

Interesting you use a favorite tactic of the hard left - label, marginalize, and dismiss.

10 posted on 03/28/2005 10:30:26 AM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: sarah_f

LOL

the normal static from you never ceases I see....

but admit it, it isnt like most of the screamers were voting for the GOP anyway....

not that I care really, do your own thing and I can't WAIT to see the screaming that will happen on FR over THAT....

like I said, its all Jeb's fault....


11 posted on 03/28/2005 10:32:34 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: jpsb

Bush got into office - and just barely - on the "look at what your other option is" platform. That is what our country has come down to.

Something has got to give or we will succumb, and very quickly at that.


12 posted on 03/28/2005 10:34:13 AM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: MikeinIraq; sarah_f

Seems to me the Bots what power for powers sake, us right wing nut jobs want power to prevent evil from gaining power. If the bots will not use power against evil they they defeat our purpose just as much as allowing evil to have power. the result is the same in both instances, ergo supporting bots or supporting evil is identical it it's effect.


13 posted on 03/28/2005 10:34:59 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: jpsb

here is what I am hearing from you screamers these past two weeks


wah wah wah

culture of death

wah wah wah

Jeb is the devil

wah wah wah


what I am not hearing are prayers for Terri and ideas on how to fix this so it does not happen again. and I figure I wont either.

Some are just better at blaming than fixing.

wah wah wah wah wah wah


14 posted on 03/28/2005 10:36:38 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: sarah_f

I now maintain that a conservative agenda is better served by a loyal oppostition in the hose and Senate, the GOP has proven to me that in power it can't move a conservaitve agenda forward.


15 posted on 03/28/2005 10:37:46 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: MikeinIraq
"ideas on how to fix this so it does not happen again"

Since the poor woman is question is not yet dead, the figth to safe her is not yet over. It would be extremely disrespectful to her cause, her fight for life, to abandon her while she is still fighting. But if you don't get it that a horrible evil is taking place right in front of your eyes then you won't get it get it that us nuts jobs will not give up the fight while she still breaths.

16 posted on 03/28/2005 10:49:18 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: jpsb

Even though I hate libs, commies, socialists, marxists, leninists, etc. with a visceral passion, I have more respect for them because they are pretty honest about who they are.

The "conservative republicans" dish out a line of BS and then implement only a slightly milder form of socialism, etc.

Savage's "two card Monte" theory gains more and more credibility every day.

The 'rats are guaranteed the oval office in 2008, unless we are under sharia rule or have been annexed by Mexico by then.


17 posted on 03/28/2005 10:53:32 AM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: jpsb

The parents have said stop. When will the parents wishes finally be allowed either by the courts or by the public?


18 posted on 03/28/2005 10:57:34 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: sarah_f

yeah I so can't wait until we are annexed by Mexico and placed un Sharia rule. /sarcasm


its all Jeb's fault...keep repeating that to yourself....


19 posted on 03/28/2005 11:07:30 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: MikeinIraq
"The parents have said stop."

No as of last night, the parents are still pleading for help. They asked the demonstrators at the hospice to go home.

"When will the parents wishes finally be allowed"

Not in this world. This world no longer knows the diference between good and evil, right and wrong.

Our ruling class has fallen in love with the process of government and either no longer cares about the outcome or not longer has the intellect to understand the meaning of he outcome. It is all a game, how you play the game, how you read the polls, how you spin a story, how you get out there first, how you hide behind "the law", etc, etc, etc. The out come of the process effects them not at all that for us little people to deal with, they could care less as long as they look good playing the game.

20 posted on 03/28/2005 11:13:12 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: MikeinIraq

Keep repeating this to yourself:

"The most powerful man in the world along with his brother, another extremely powerful man of national prominence, couldn't find a reason to stop their own governments from slowly killing an innocent, invalid woman by starvation."

Have a nice day.


21 posted on 03/28/2005 11:16:04 AM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: sarah_f
"Savage's "two card Monte" theory gains more and more credibility every day."

Pretty much true, but on pro-life there was a diference, I say was, becuae there is no longer a meaningful diference.

22 posted on 03/28/2005 11:17:11 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: sarah_f

LOL

your posts are ALWAYS hilarious and I am soo glad you are keeping that up!!

Have a good one!!!


23 posted on 03/28/2005 11:17:54 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: jpsb

so tell me, if you are going to leave the GOP, who are you going to get elected?

No one, I will answer it for you.


24 posted on 03/28/2005 11:18:26 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: MikeinIraq

As I have stated I think the conservative agenda is best served by having real conservtives as a minority party in the house and Senate. So it will be fairly easy to figure out how I will vote, and how I will use my influence amongst local folks in the upcomming election, assuming the state still permits me to consume food and water.


25 posted on 03/28/2005 11:23:50 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: MikeinIraq

You seem to think that I am one of those foolish enough to run off to some third party and marinalize myself. I'm not. I am a Republican until a better conservative alternative comes along, so I either reward the GOP for doing good or I punish the GOP for doing bad. I am leaning hard towards punishing the GOP in 08.


26 posted on 03/28/2005 11:30:53 AM PST by jpsb ((warning right wing nut job posting))
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To: jpsb

and just by saying "if the states permits me to have food and water" just shows you are not thinking logically or rationally at this time....


27 posted on 03/28/2005 11:33:26 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: jpsb

LOL

then just punish them troll!! LOL


28 posted on 03/28/2005 11:33:41 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: MikeinIraq
"you are not thinking logically or rationally at this time"

Oh no! That I think is the new requirement for receiving the blessing(permission) of the state to eat food.

I remember the good old days when one thanked G*d for blessing the dinner table with food. Now I guess we will have to thank the state for allowing us to eat. And bless the GOP for making this brave new world posible.

29 posted on 03/28/2005 11:40:16 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

you seem to preoccupied by the "state" allowing you to eat.

It sucks that it happened to Terri but it isn't as if they are coming after you.

Please tell me that they are....that will make a great capper to this idiotic discussion


30 posted on 03/28/2005 2:05:23 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: MikeinIraq
no he has only managed to alienate the far right fringe that wasnt voting for the GOP in any case...

I feel pretty alienated from the GOP and I've been voting and volunteering time and money for the GOP for several decades...and it would be easy to say that the issues of illegal immigration and national security (which are closely related) have driven me away from the GOP, but in retrospect, it's not just those, and it's not just the fact that I'm in a border state.

As I said elsewhere, I haven't left the GOP, the GOP has left me. I'm as Conservative as I ever was.
31 posted on 03/28/2005 2:12:23 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

being that I havent ever been in the GOP I guess I just won't get that part....

Unfortunately in this political climate any 3rd party isnt going to do much. So it is up to people like you who are already in the GOP to get actual conservatives (Mike Pence comes to mind from Indiana) and get increasingly more and more of them elected.

And its a matter of the local law enforcement going after the employers of the illegals too. That would get the issue quicker than just about anything short of nuking Mexico. Whether the employer is here in Ohio or Massachusetts or Arizona or California, if the employers get busted and not only fined but put out of business, well you can probably finish that thought for me....


32 posted on 03/28/2005 2:17:18 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Terri is going to die and then the mob is going to blame both Bush brothers. Realism is dead on FR)
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To: MikeinIraq
And its a matter of the local law enforcement going after the employers of the illegals too.

They probably would, but it's politically incorrect to do so. Neither party wants a crackdown on illegals. That's just the way things are, and have been.

As far as joining another party, I probably will. I don't have anything to lose at this point.
33 posted on 03/28/2005 2:36:26 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: jpsb

I think you make some valid points but I also think you
underestimate a strong third party candidate. Many think
that they are "throwing away" their vote because in our
system they don't have much chance of being elected. But
the real power and influence of a strong third party is
the way the AFFECT THE TWO MAJOR PARTIES. For example, if
a strong candidate emerges who will defend our nation
against the social, economic, and national security
dangers of the illegal foreign invasion -- you'll be
surprised how the Reps. and Dems. take notice and move
in the direction of the third party's position. Especially
when 70% of the public agrees with their position on
the matter of illegals. Suddenly confronted with the
possibility of losing millions of votes they will adopt
a position closer to that of the third party. Thus, even
when third party candidates lose they can still WIN --
because they have changed the political landscape and
FORCED the two major parties to pay attention to an issue
that's important to the nation. Right now on the matter
of our out-of-control borders the two major parties are
basically "tweedle-dee" and "tweedle-dum". The two
major parties have marginalized themselves on this issue.


34 posted on 03/28/2005 2:46:22 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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