Why did Judge Greer Disallow all of the Evidence?

2005.3.28 | telestraightshooter

[TeleStraightShooter]

I am looking for a source that explains why Judge Greer disallowed all of the evidence presented to contradict Micheal Schivo's claim about "Terri's wish".

From what I gather, since no evidence was admitted to the contrary, Micheal Shivo's claim about "Terri's wish" was technically unchallenged.

Judge Greer's own words would be nice.

[TeleStraightShooter]

Thanks

[FairOpinion]

$$$$$$$

Felos gave him large contributions.

[Saundra Duffy]

Greer is hell-bent on killing Terri and smashing the guts of Terri's family members. Plus he likes the heck out of MIchael Schiavo and George Felos. It's a game, you see.

[Paleo Conservative]

What's wrong with you? Don't you believ in the rule of lawyers?

[Humidston]

"rule of lawyers"

BWAAAAAAHAHAHA!

CLEVER!

[japaneseghost]

This is why:

Judge Greer and scientology connection:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_clearwater_bar_association_judge_greer.html

[Paleo Conservative]

CLEVER!

But not original.

[dixiechick2000]

Thanks for the reminder.

Those Scientologists are truly evil, bourbon.
Of course, we knew that.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_clearwater_bar_association_judge_greer.html

I'd love to hear your thoughts, WKB.

[PFKEY]

It is a conspiracy. You see Greer and Felos have a stake in the hospice so they want to kill off their paying patients.

No that doesn't make sense.

They like to have people killed.

[Al Simmons]

With due respect, that page you linked to appear to contain the ravings of a paranoiac.

[kingu]

Sure. It's called 'marriage' - something a lot of us have been trying really hard to defend. He is her husband; the presumption is that he knows her wishes. Anything to the contrary has to be virtually a written notice by Terri herself.

This case was lost in the first days after Terri lost consciousness; no probative investigation that turned up prosecutable evidence, no challenge to the husband's words.

In my view, a great concern for the future is baring courts from making any judgment in these types of cases. Fights over who has the say in medical care; sure. Fights over how medical care is administered or withheld? No way!

[Lemon Tourmaline]

Take a long look at http://www.theempirejournal.com/53209_schiavo_case_tangled_web_o.htm

[ClancyJ]

No Felos and Greer are just protecting our interests. We don't need to see that evidence, just move along now.

[Psycho_Bunny]

I never got to wondering about that because I still can't fathom why an issue like this was before a probate court.

Unless the probate courts in Florida are different than the probate courts I'm familiar with, Greer - and none of his peers in probate - are competent to make life-or-death decisions.

Probate courts divvy up money.  Hearing the Schiavo case in probate court strikes me as being akin to trying a capital murder case before a bankruptcy judge.

[tessalu]

I think that Probate Courts take care of Guardianships, as in this case.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The county juuuuuuuuuuuuudge, who held a gruuuuuuuuuuuuuudge

[Griptilian]

He spent it in a successful effort to KILL her, and I will bet that greer got some of that million.

You haven't been following the story, I see.
Of course, facts wouldn't fit in your conspiracy.

But hey, the facts really haven't been supporting the 'save Terri' [conspiracy] crowd lately.

[Fam4Bush]

Look up everything you can on Pinellas County. When something doesn't fit, toss it out. Only, it all fits.

It gets a little dark here after midnight, doesn't it?

[SedVictaCatoni]

Probate courts in many jurisdictions handle a variety of miscellaneous legal tasks, such as handling wards of the state. They are sort of odd-jobs judges.

[tallhappy]

In one case he claims to have made a mistake about the timing of the Karen Ann Quinlin case where Terri Schindler had told her friend she was against her being pulled off life support.

Greer felt the conversation couldn;t have had happened because Quinlin had alread died. But he admitted recently he was wrong about the date of her death and the conversation would have been time appropriate.

The whole thing stinks going back to the first hearing. Petty corruption and conflict of interest have been alledged. Also, pure incompetence is probably at play.

[swordfish71]

No doubt Greer will pen a book--perhaps he will have the preface done by MS.

He, like Shiavo, will use many words to say precisely nothing---and he'll make a mint in the doing.

Sad.

[Orlando]

You mean STOP A COLD-BLOODED MURDER.
right ?

Is that the new spin lie machine talking points(Conspiracy?)
Christian Nutballs, those Jesus lovers, those crazy people that believe in God, those crazy people that believe in the TEN Commandments, Those crazy War Heros--now anti-gov't activists, Those crazy Pro-Life nuts, Those crazy Catholics, those crazy minority people protecting a white women, those crazy Right-wing nuts, those crazy people that believe in Family, Love, on and on it goes......

Who's next ? Veterans in the VA Hospitals ?

[faithincowboys]

Because he was born and Brooklyn and has likely been a stealth commie for a long, long time.

[backhoe]

Who's next ? Veterans in the VA Hospitals ?

Yep.

[WKB]

When a Cult(Scientologists) joins forces with Crooks(some Lawyers)
the out come can't be good.

[tutstar]

Other people gave more than Felos did.

[tutstar]

How about money? All guardianship cases are supposed to be audited? The man responsible for doing that in Pinellas county wrote this.

"Dirty Tricks of Guardianships ‚ The Need for Change."
by Robert W. Melton, Chief Auditor, Clerk of the Circuit Court, Pinellas County

Pinellas County Internal Auditor Robert W. Melton recently lectured at Eckerd College in St. Petersburg on: "Dirty Tricks of Guardianships ‚ The Need for Change."

Here are just 10 of the "dirty tricks," as outlined by Pinellas County Internal Auditor Robert W. Melton:

1) Guardian creation of a trust: Remove all oversight by the court as a provision of the trust agreement; guardian becomes trustee; provide that the trustee can do whatever they want at their sole discretion.

2) Sell real estate at lowball price: Use "lowball" valuations as a benchmark; don't list property with Realtors; sell to a land trust, where nobody knows the beneficiary; watch property resold a few months later for a huge increase.

3) Maximize your (or your crony's) profit from investments: Hire money manager for "financial expertise" and let the manager select an investment broker; invest in volatile stocks and trade frequently to generate commissions; if you run up a large gain, don't selectively liquidate over time to pay the taxes but hold a "fire sale" to raise funds all in one day.

4) Undervalue beginning inventory: Have a used-furniture "friend" value a house full of antiques for $3,000; "forget" to put some of the more expensive items on the inventory; "forget" to include a $40,000 certificate of deposit.

5) Pay yourself first: Make payment of guardian and attorney fees the highest priority; disregard mortgage payments and let ward's home go into foreclosure; squirrel away money in the attorney's escrow account for possible future expenses.

6) Maintain guardianship at all costs: Keep family members uninformed; if family members try to become guardian, accuse them of stealing; use the ward's assets for legal fights to retain guardianship.

7) Improper financial reporting: Bury asset-management and brokerage fees as aggregate capital losses "due to market fluctuations"; don't classify disbursements separately; file incomplete or incorrect safe-deposit box inventories.

8) Forced incompetency: Visit assisted-living facilities and establish employee contacts; obtain voluntary limited financial guardianship; if there is money in the estate, do paperwork to force an evaluation of competency; get control over everything and the ward loses all rights.

9) Pay your attorney well: Let attorney bill full rate to shop for a computer and set it up for the ward; let attorneys bill their full rate, even if work is done by a paralegal or assistant.

10) Forget to file federal tax returns: Ensure there is a refund; wait till the ward dies; get check without oversight.

http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/dirty-guardian-tricks.html

[Robert A. Cook, PE]

So, what do you do when it is the "husband" who is murdering his "inconvenient" wife - using HER therapy moiney to pay for the lawyers to kill her.

I mean, it is slower that way than cutting her throat with a kitchen knife, but at least he doesn't have ot clean the floor afterwards.

Each year, thousands of woman are beat to death/cut/shot/knifed/throttled by the "loving" husbands you apparently want the state to to be supportive of.

Add Micheal to that list.

[Robert A. Cook, PE]

Micheal? Hatred, fear of dicovery (of her earlier (probable) beating and attack that led to the heart stoppage.) ow. Hatred of her parents. Used to be money - but he's past that now, though book deals and movie deals are coming back to be popular and lucrative.

Felos? Power. Death. Lawyer's reputateion. Influence. Notoriaity. Ablility to use her case to get in front of TV cameras. Able to use the case to get HIS legistlation passed in FL to kill people. More power. Death. Murder. Seeing people die in front of his eyes - As he wrote about in his book. Religion.

Greer? Power. NOBODY is going to tell him (now!) that he doesn't have absolute power in HIS court. HE has stood up to FL judges, critics, governors, presidents, COngress, ....

POWER. (And a fear of his earlier mistakes becoming exposed.)

[Saundra Duffy]

I am looking for a source that explains why Judge Greer disallowed all of the evidence presented to contradict Micheal Schivo's claim about "Terri's wish".

Because he could. Duh.

[kingu]

Each year, thousands of woman are beat to death/cut/shot/knifed/throttled by the "loving" husbands you apparently want the state to to be supportive of.

Each year, thousands are killed by guns that I would die to be supportive of. What of it? You prefer having court ordered murder? If we leave these decisions in the hands of judges, none of us will ever be safe.

[dixiechick2000]

"When a Cult(Scientologists) joins forces with Crooks(some Lawyers)
the out come can't be good."


LOL! That is SO very true.

Glad you qualified only "some lawyers" as crooks. ;o)