Posted on 03/31/2005 9:58:40 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
Death to Bill Gates!
Oh boy ... you stepped on your crank with this thread. Have fun!
You just know you're going to get slammed, right?
Bring it...RBA can post all of the links he has gathered in the last 3 hours
WHY HASN'T CONSERVATIVE_PATRIOT1776 UPDATED HIS WEBSITE LATELY?!?!?!?!
(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,
I was just thinking that very thing
Sigh. I bet threads will still be posted tonight.
Somebody with some PhotoShop skills needs to add FR Shiavo threads to all of those screens.
The question begs to be asked.
Why isn't this in Breaking News?
"I hate these 10 year old computers!!!"...
"Dude, these 286's ROCK! Check out the VGA monitor!"
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| Posted by Partisan Hack On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:36 AM EST · 1 reply · 2+ views |
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| Posted by CitizenM On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:29 AM EST · 1 reply · 11+ views FOX news | March 31, 2005 Terri's priest just announced. Family will speak later. Time of announcement: 9:52 a.m. |
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| Posted by xzins On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:27 AM EST · 1 reply · 4+ views Fox News | 31 Mar 05 | Fox News |
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| Terry Schiavo, Rest in Peace (1963 - 2005) ^ |
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| Posted by Timeout On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:25 AM EST · 10 replies · 8+ views 3/31/05 Terri is in better hands now. |
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| Posted by Former Military Chick On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:23 AM EST · 1 reply Stars and Stripes ^ | March 30, 2005 | Stars and Stripes The Army will honor one its most famous fallen volunteers at a ceremony Sunday in Afghanistan. Officials at Bagram Air Base will dedicate the new Pat Tillman USO Center in memory of the former Arizona Cardinals safety who put his football career on hold to join the Rangers. Tillman was killed in 2004 by friendly fire while fighting through an ambush in eastern Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. He was promoted to the rank of corporal after his death. “To honor his sacrifice and his dedication to his country, the National Football League donated $250,000 to the USO for construction... |
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| Posted by Drammach On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:21 AM EST · 2 replies · 9+ views Drammach Fox News announcing death of Terri Schiavo.. |
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| Posted by Eurotwit On News/Activism ^ 03/31/2005 9:55:11 AM EST · 24 replies · 57+ views CNN ^ | 3/31 1005 | CNN |
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Tee hee. If there was one computer for each Terri thread, it would need to be a much bigger picture.
What's wrong? Didn't she die fast enough for you? Should we feel sorry for your pain and suffering over the past couple of weeks? I wonder how it compares to going without food and water for 14 days?
"Ah, but the real question is ~ Who will be the last FReeper to post "Terri Schiavo Has Died" in breaking news?"
What a dumb post.
(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,
VT100's tied to a VAX 8600. Now that's computing.
If it's not COBOL, it's crap!
It is the "Free" Republic, and all of us have the freedom of choice. I could understand the debate, I could evaulate the opposing arguments (sometimes, LoL when they were not simply rants and caustic comments - and I mean on both sides of the issue), but I cannot understand complaining about the number of posts. If I saw a post I was not interested in - I didn't read it. Simple solution, IMHO.
I think the Mods were fair and sensitive throughout this. Repetition was avoided, for the most part, and the variety of posts with differing opinions, references, resourced material, etc. was helpful. FR was a reflection of the country and the emotions and questions that were raised by people on behalf of "rights." I found this insight of both the pro and cons very interesting and educational, for the majority of offerings. And I am thankful we have this forum that allows us to experience, on a larger scale, history in the making - whether we like what is happening or not.
And just hours before her father said she was chatting up a storm. hmmm....
There will be posts for days yet. Just wait till the Autopsy comes out and shows that here brain was missing like the scan does. I'll bet they will say MS stole it.
dath by starvation is painless, even less uncomfortable when you are not aware of your own existance because your BRAIN is missing.
It also seems like every thread, no matter what the topic, someone finds a way to twist a Terri comment into it.
I'm sorry, but a lot of us are hurting right now and when it seems some are going out of their way to be insensitive it doesn't help one bit.
Yeah Terri's death was so painless they gave her morphine.
I'll tell them the same thing I told the crybabies--Is it REALLy that much of a burden on you to expect you to not click on threads you're not interested in? Poor babies--people are talking about things you don't wanna talk about! WHAAAAAA!!!!!
Yes, I'm sure it's quite "euphoric" and pleasant. That's probably why Hitler used it. When know what a humanitarian he tried to be. And somebody who thinks any existance is possible without a brain, is well...(I'll let you fill in the blank).
Hey, Nuzcruiser exists.
Quite the conundrum, isn't it?
Feels good to be alive and able to make fun of people who cared about a woman being murdered don't it.
No worries, she's dead now and this place can get back to bitching about Clinton and Hillary. joy
Lucky for you if we ever have famine...
My wife works in a death home, people stop eating and starve to death every day there. It is painless if you have no underlying conditions, like cancer. I've been an army medic for 23 years, and have seen starving people in many countries. They aren't in pain, they are weak, lathargic, but not in pain.
Try using your brain, and look it up for yourself instead of trying to use the stupidity of people to add further drama to the case.
As well, She has no brain, which most every doctor agrees except of course the one who is paid to say otherwize. Having no brain makes it quite difficult to think, feel, be aware of ones self, move, swallow etc. But heck, new medical evidence is now out that people don't really need brains to function, talk swallow, sing, tap dance, etc.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7328639/
Neurologist who examined Schiavo explains the scan :
TRANSCRIPT
Updated: 4:04 p.m. ET March 29, 2005
The overwhelming majority in the medical community say Terri Schiavo has close to no brain activity and has no chance of regaining awareness. Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition, joined "The Abrams Report" on Monday. Cranford is the assistant chief of neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis as well as a faculty member at the University of Minnesota's Center for Bioethics.
Below is the transcript of their conversation.
DAN ABRAMS, HOST: You're one of the few people who has actually examined Terri Schiavo and you're hearing all of these people who are coming on from the sidelines saying, "She's has been misdiagnosed," et cetera. How confident are you in your diagnosis and why?
DR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan.
Read the rest if you like. I've never seen anyone chow down a meal and drink water after having their brains blown out either, come to think of it. Of course, that's usually the enemy, but i guess Americans are different and need no brain to function. In fact, Jay leno proves that every night on jaywalk.
If your point is that it's OK to starve brainless people...
hmmmm....
hungry yet?
And, I never said they should have killed her either. No brain, no pain, it's just a body living on brain stem function. They could have kept it alive to keep the parents happy, at least until they were on feeding tubes too.
Maybe they could have set a world record, keeping a body alive with no brain. maybe they already did.
There's a nice pic of her empy skull to look at if you like at the link I posted as well. maybe you can post it here if you like for all to see.
Oh that's nice of her. But do you really got to call it a death home? Well I guess that is better than a dath home.
people stop eating and starve to death every day there. It is painless if you have no underlying conditions, like cancer.
Terri didn't have cancer, yet she was given morphine. And she wasn't given a chance to have any food or water. A judge just ordered her feeding tube removed.
I've been an army medic for 23 years, and have seen starving people in many countries. They aren't in pain, they are weak, lathargic, but not in pain.
Where they given morphine like Terri?
Try using your brain, and look it up for yourself instead of trying to use the stupidity of people to add further drama to the case.
One could say that you should use your brain to look up how to spell lethargic and death.
“There remain huge uncertainties in regard to Terri's true neurological status. I believe that, within a reasonable degree of medical certainty there is a great likelihood that Terri is in a minimally conscious state rather than a persistent vegetative state.”
Your response.
CRANFORD: Well actually if you read his report, he says she has no visual tracking and she has no conscious awareness which are the cardinal signs of the vegetative state, so I don't think there's any doubt she's in a vegetative state. He never examined her.
(Ooops, opinion from someone who has never examined her. Great medical evidence of brain activity.)
"He did an interview with her for 90 minutes, observing her. He never viewed her CT scans. He makes no mention of her EEG, so while he's a reputable neurologist, perhaps, at the Mayo Clinic, his report means absolutely nothing. It's a desperation, last minute move by the governor who just doesn't know what else to do, so he brings in a Christian fundamentalist neurologist. It's just not true."
ABRAMS: [injecting drama] I feel for the parents here and I'm going to play a sound bite...
CRANFORD: [truthfully] So do I.
ABRAMS: [injecting more drama] I want you to listen to [the blinded by emotion word of a parent] it and just tell me if it's even medically possible that this is the case.
[Video] SCHINDLER: [injecting drama] She's alive and she's fighting like hell to live, and she's begging for help. She's still communicating, still responding. She's emaciated, but she's responsive.
ABRAMS: Doctor, I mean you hate to say it but that's just a father wishful thinking, isn't it?
CRANFORD: [stating from experience] I hate to say it but it's a father wishful thinking. These are sincere caring people. I think the Schindlers as opposed to the right to life activists and the president and Congress and all the others, I think they really believe that she's interacting. They really believe she's been denied medical care, and I think about sympathizes with their concerns.
"This is a loving, caring family but they're wrong. And they've known they've been wrong. She's been diagnosed a vegetative state ever since the early 1990s. They were told that repeatedly in the early 1990s. It's wishful thinking on the part of parents who dearly love their daughter and don't want her to be in the vegetative state she's in. But Dan, there's really no doubt whatsoever."
"No credible [<-note] neurologist has come along who's examined her who's said she's not in a vegetative state. It's just what they want to see. And you can see how scary the tapes are that show her apparently interacting with her eyes open. But her eyes are open, but she's not even looking at her mother when you look at those tapes."
ABRAMS: Let's talk about the CT scan. You actually have the CT scan.
CRANFORD: Yes, this is a CT scan of Terri Schiavo taken in 2002, the most recent CT scan done on her, 2002.
ABRAMS: Tell us what it means.
CRANFORD: Well it shows extremely severe atrophy. Where those black areas are, that should be white. That should be cerebral cortex, and so really there is no cerebral cortex left. It's just a shrinkage of the cerebral cortex. It's a thin band of white on the outside and any neurologist or any radiologist looking at those CT scans will tell you that her atrophy could not be more severe than it is. So even if she were mentally conscious, which she's not, she's irreversible. She's been like this for 15 years, Dan, and that CT scan shows the most extreme severe atrophy of the higher centers of the brain.
ABRAMS: And what about those who say that there should have been more tests? That she's never had a PET scan. That she needs another MRI.
CRANFORD: Well she doesn't need an MRI because a MRI will not show any more damage than this C.T. and you can again check with any radiologists. They'll tell you this CT scan is more than adequate.
But, heck, all you intrnet docs are right, he's wrong, the missing brain is just hiding, etc. Believe what you want. I'll stick with the truth.
If you had a brain, you'd know why they gave her morphine. It was to prevent spasms it turns out. They gave her 5 mg on Thursday, and 5 mg on Sat.
Now, the usual dose of Morphine is 10 mg every 3.5 hrs for pain. It's also protocol to give morphine to dying patients, because it helps them pass on quicker. it slows the heart etc. But mr Shindler started yelling about that, saying they were trying to kill her off faster, so she never recieved any after that.
She was not in any pain at any time and she has no brain to feel pain with.
***"He did an interview with her for 90 minutes, observing her. He never viewed her CT scans. He makes no mention of her EEG, so while he's a reputable neurologist, perhaps, at the Mayo Clinic, his report means absolutely nothing. It's a desperation, last minute move by the governor who just doesn't know what else to do, so he brings in a Christian fundamentalist neurologist. It's just not true."
You can tell he didn't read the affidavit. Even I know more than he does. DR. Cheshire said he read all her medical records (I would assume that means the CT scan & EEG). He observed her and watched the video tapes. Cranford's sentence "Christian fundamentalist neurologist" says it all. HIS Bias is showing. Dr. Cranford, Humane Death Dr., is one to be talking. I would say someone working for the MAYO Clinic is more qualified than yahoo Cranford.
Oh, I am. If you are so smart you'd know that Terri didn't starve to death. She was dehydrated to death. Yes, I'm sure the people in your wife's "death home" do stop eating. As an aged body shuts down, the organs quit functioning. Forcing food down somebody at that point is useless, and would lead to discomfort for the dying person not prolong their life. What happened to Terri is not remotely close to that scenario.
You can say "she had no brain" all you want, but it doesn't make it so. You criticize "paid" doctors then turn around and quote one yourself to back up claims. I saw Dr. Cranford in another interview and he was asked point blank if he has ever diagnosed a patient as PVS and been wrong. He had to admit that indeed that had happened. He had declared someone as PVS who later came around. Guess your Dr. Death is not quite so perfect.
But if Terri had no brain and no feeling, why the morphine drip? Why would she groan and pull her arm away when it was pinched by a doctor? Why would she smile when her mother came in the room? Why would she act startled when someone would snap their fingers in front of her eyes? And, finally, if she has no brain and has been dead for 15 years, why not give her back to her parents? Why is it SO important to kill someone who's not even there?
I think the doctor on CNN said it was for pain. And I didn't claim to be a medical expert. But if I was or was claiming to be one, I would at least spell lethargic and death right before telling everyone to use their brain. Honestly, I think you got issues and I lost all respect for you when you went after the girls father. Have a nice day.
finally, if she has no brain and has been dead for 15 years, why not give her back to her parents? Why is it SO important to kill someone who's not even there?
Because the blood sucking vampires want her dead. They are as evil as the people who starved and gassed 6 million Jews to death.
There is no difference.
I knew you would come through
For all who wonder, Terri was refused eat and drink ( not that she could eat or drink on her own)
It is EXACTLY the same scenario. When these old people refuse food, they refuse to eat OR drink. IF this person had any experience with life, nursing homes, old people, this person would know this.
You can say "she had no brain" all you want, but it doesn't make it so I know how to read an MRI, a ct scan, xrays, etc. As does this doctor, who spent a great deal of money on his education, as did I. I can see quite clearly, as can you IF you took a look at the pics (which I will post shortly because you are simply too lazy, dumb or what ever to look at them at the link provided). By all means, tell me what qualifies you to read what the image shows;- better than every doctor and radiologist, emt on the planet? What is shows is this: buy a loaf of bead, take all the bread out of the bag, blow it up, and then wrap the opening of the bag around a broom handle, adding more air to keep it inflated on the tip of the broom handle. The broom handle is Terri's spine, the empty space is terri's brain, the plastic bag is the brain sack holding that spinal fluid in this cavity. In Terri's case, she has a big pimple full of fluid in her skull, held together by her brain sack. Her brain is MISSING, everything that was her is missing with it. If for some reason you still can't understand that when your brain is dead, so is everyhing which made you an idividual with a distinct personality, and abilities to control you body. You become nothing but an empty shell, a corpse. Again, scroll up, look at the pics. Just what is so hard about it?
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