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Smoking among our soldiers
Juky 21, 2005 | self / vanity

Posted on 07/20/2005 11:12:03 PM PDT by The Other Harry

I have been concerned that so many of our soldiers seem to smoke. This includes the woman at the Abu Gaibe (sp?) imprisonment camp.

Don't you think that it would be better if this were restricted, at least to when they they are not on duty?

That way, it would be be safer, both for them and for those around them.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: cigbanditos; deepthoughtswthharry; frommycolddeadhands; putdownthebottle; smokeemifyagotem; smokenazis
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1 posted on 07/20/2005 11:12:03 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry

tick, tick, tick, tick......


2 posted on 07/20/2005 11:15:19 PM PDT by JLS
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To: The Other Harry

Leave them alone, they have enough to worry about.


3 posted on 07/20/2005 11:17:26 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: The Other Harry

They are adults and don't need a nanny to take care of them.


4 posted on 07/20/2005 11:22:43 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: The Other Harry
Have you lost your frickin marbles...?

Seek therapy, and let those who risk life and limb so you can pontificate on others vices be as they will be.

This is a joke, right...?

haha.
5 posted on 07/20/2005 11:22:43 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: The Other Harry
Well, I think a bullet traveling at a high velocity might be a bit more worrisome to our soldiers than a smoke.
6 posted on 07/20/2005 11:22:55 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: The Other Harry

"That way, it would be be safer, both for them and for those around them."

USMC here. No... it would NOT be safer. ;)


7 posted on 07/20/2005 11:23:00 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: The Other Harry
from your home page " There is some Democrat in me."

Ya think?

8 posted on 07/20/2005 11:25:20 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: The Other Harry
Judging from your profile, oh forget it. Just stay the heck out of other people's lives.

Isn't it bad enough that they can't have a beer in some other countries. I know, you would be happy with that too.

Having a cig is a personal choice and you are against that. Go get a life in a library. Your a perfect fit.

9 posted on 07/20/2005 11:26:18 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: The Other Harry

Keep the smokes,

Get the women out.


10 posted on 07/20/2005 11:26:25 PM PDT by digger48
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To: The Other Harry

Go to bed and call a shrink in the AM.


11 posted on 07/20/2005 11:27:03 PM PDT by RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS
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To: Fenris6
When you are risking a shot through the hat a smoke is the least of your worries.

In fact, a smoke is likely the one thing you desire when facing death.

They usually offer a condemned man a smoke before execution, it would not surprise me to see the nanny state deny such a small pleasure those who put their life on the line to preserve their useless arses.

This post is a joke, designed to incite.
12 posted on 07/20/2005 11:29:36 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: The Other Harry

You forgot your /sarc tag.


13 posted on 07/20/2005 11:30:54 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: digger48
Just ask the soldiers who's lives were saved by Sgt. Hester.

Silver Star

14 posted on 07/20/2005 11:32:11 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: The Other Harry
Seems to be a consensus..Let'em smoke.
15 posted on 07/20/2005 11:33:23 PM PDT by Old Seadog ("The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -- WINST)
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To: mmercier

> This is a joke, right...?

Yes. ;)


16 posted on 07/20/2005 11:37:06 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry

17 posted on 07/21/2005 1:07:21 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: The Other Harry

I'm sure you also buy into that garbage about "second hand smoke."


18 posted on 07/21/2005 1:19:30 AM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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To: The Other Harry; SWAMPSNIPER; Echo Talon; mmercier; pbrown; AGreatPer; RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS; ...

Going against the flow, I am sure I will get flamed but they do not need to be smoking on duty. Most of these young people are not going to die, thank God. They are going to come home and they don't need a full blown addiction to cigarettes. Most people are not allowed to smoke during work. It is a very unhealthy and dirty habit. They aren't allowed to drink on duty because they might face death or do other unseemly things. I agree that they are adults and if they want to smoke on their own time they are free to do that. The army should, though, be able to encourage good health habits whether it be hygiene, food preparation, hand washing, intelligent drinking habits, or not smoking or at least not heavily. That is not to say that it can run people lives when they are off duty but they certainly can teach and encourage healthy living habits. The army is about teaching discipline. Contrary to popular thought and continuous media hype nasty habits do not equal happiness. Being a slave to anything brings one's countenance down, diminishing self respect. If a soldier is heavily addicted to nicotine what happens if he is out in the field in a long, tough battle to the death? Do you think that the craving for nicotine and the mood and body changes that the need for nicotine brings will enhance his ability to concentrate on kill or be killed? I hope this is just a joke because I hope our soldiers are not being allowed to smoke continuously on duty with many or most doing so. Maybe our soldiers need more orientation toward living and not that they are going to die so live like the devil. Flame, flame away (my shield is up and my breastplate is on).


19 posted on 07/21/2005 2:15:34 AM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: The Other Harry

Better check the fat and sugar and carb and cholesterol of the food being served while your at it.


20 posted on 07/21/2005 2:18:16 AM PDT by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: The Other Harry

GFY...


21 posted on 07/21/2005 2:20:46 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Bellflower

You're nuts....


22 posted on 07/21/2005 2:22:00 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Clemenza
I'm sure you also buy into that garbage about "second hand smoke."Second-hand brains usually do.....
23 posted on 07/21/2005 2:35:03 AM PDT by NRA1995 (West Virginia needs neurosurgeons like San Francisco needs gynecologists)
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To: The Other Harry

Exhaling a puff of wonderful cigar smoke as I read and laugh....


24 posted on 07/21/2005 2:36:30 AM PDT by NRA1995 (West Virginia needs neurosurgeons like San Francisco needs gynecologists)
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To: The Other Harry

I think your vanity privileges need to be restricted.


25 posted on 07/21/2005 2:49:01 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Bellflower

I don't think you should be allowed to type without paragraph and line breaks. It's unhealthy.


26 posted on 07/21/2005 2:49:52 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Hey, I'm not on duty or at work. Are you allowed to smoke, eat continuously, drink alcohol, wear what ever you want, swear continuously or do any other bad habits or inappropriate things on your job or for that matter when you were on duty? Heavy smoking is a dirty, nasty, unhealthy habit and why should it be tolerated on a job or on duty? Since when should the army be anything goes or is it just smoking on duty that should have special clearance?


27 posted on 07/21/2005 3:09:13 AM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: Bellflower; All

Bellflower;
I could come up with something snappy but words just fail me right now.

I remember C-Rations with the 4 pack of Luckys or Pall Malls. I thought it was stupid for the military to be forced to take them out way back then.

The US military is not a bunch of monks on a mission to convert the world to the good life. They are average Americans far from home who are kicking in doors,fighting and stuck in FOBs 24/7. This is not the same as having a 9-5 job in Germany where you go "Home" (Barracks) every night.

No civilian understands the 24/7 concept of the military. Yeah, you can talk about it and think about it but to understand you have to live it. If smoking gives a soldier a bit of pleasure in a nasty world then I say let them go for it.

The military has regulated sex and drinking. Let the soldiers keep one or two vices.

And yes, I am a non-smoker.


28 posted on 07/21/2005 3:34:20 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: dakine

Rather a broad statement. Be specific please. Explain where you are coming from.


29 posted on 07/21/2005 3:36:47 AM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: The Other Harry

FWIW, as much as I dislike the idea of folks smoking, a war zone is not what I'd call a good place to deprive someone of their nictotine fix :)


30 posted on 07/21/2005 3:39:08 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: The Other Harry

If you took coffee away from our military personal, our military would shutdown. Cigarettes, surely you jest. It goes along with the coffee.
Think about this. I have yet to see at least any naval bases that didn't have either a McDonalds and or a Burger King on them. Hell, Gauntanamo has several of both. Health experts have deemed fast food unhealthy. Should we decide what are soldiers should eat too.


31 posted on 07/21/2005 3:42:59 AM PDT by diverteach
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To: The Other Harry
See a doctor.

While Dementia cannot be cured, 24 hour psychiatric supervision may deny you access to a keyboard.

32 posted on 07/21/2005 3:46:25 AM PDT by johnny7 ('I bet 'ya think I'm 'kickin you Bob...! -Sheriff 'Little Bill' Dagget)
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To: The Other Harry
Try telling this hero smoking is bad for him.Leave them alone.

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33 posted on 07/21/2005 3:47:10 AM PDT by barker (If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else's dog around.)
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To: Bellflower
Flame, flame away (my shield is up and my breastplate is on).

I hate to break it to you flower ... that's not a breastplate, it's either a bra or a manzier ... the kind worn by a nanny

34 posted on 07/21/2005 5:25:14 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Does it hurt when they shear your wool off?)
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To: The Other Harry

When you get the thousand yard stare off the faces of our troops that is when YOU will have any say about whether or not a GI can light up a friggin cigarette.

Until then just be damn glad that they do still have both hands to light up a smoke with.

Why don't you just have this goddam thread removed before you piss off all the Vets on FR!


35 posted on 07/21/2005 6:23:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: The Other Harry; Bellflower

Damn, Harry, just yesterday I complimented on what I thought was your newfound sobriety & lucidity. Now you've gone & blown it.

You want to strip FREEDOMS from the very people who VOLUNTEER to do the dirty work of protecting our FREEDOMS? These people in our military have a very difficult & stressful job. They are often times thousands of miles away from home with very limited contact with the outside world.

It's often weeks after the fact that they know the results of the World Series. They see people who just that morning were their best friends being hauled off screaming, bloody and having lost 30% of their weight because their legs are in a separate bag if they are recoverable at all.

Do you really think it's fair of some high and mighty righteous jerk sitting behind a computer monitor in the safety & comfort of their living room to deny a simple pleasure of a cigarette to the poor kid in a trench or bonbed out candy store or overnighting in a mountain pass snow cave?

BTW, it's 114 degrees in Baghdad, right now.

Those who would deny cigs to our troops are mean. I can't beleive a conservative would propose such crap.


36 posted on 07/21/2005 6:59:49 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: pbrown

Or Kim Campbell: http://www.warbirdforum.com/chick.htm


37 posted on 07/21/2005 7:03:18 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Very well said. I wanted to respond, but you said it better than I could have. Thank you.


38 posted on 07/21/2005 7:05:35 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

Thank you.

I erased half of what I really wanted to say so I didn't lose posting priveleges.


39 posted on 07/21/2005 7:08:22 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I'm torn here. On one hand, I'd like to see the uncensored version of your post. On the other hand, I wouldn't want you to be banned.

No one else shares my fondness for Schnappi. ;-)


40 posted on 07/21/2005 7:18:20 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

No kidding, I was just trying to pull that up to show a co worker.

The editing scraps from my previous post are not pretty. You do not want to see them.


41 posted on 07/21/2005 7:26:29 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Freepmail the scraps to me. :-)


42 posted on 07/21/2005 7:27:18 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

Can't. They are just deleted electrons. BTW, where do the deleted letters go when you delete them?


43 posted on 07/21/2005 7:28:23 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Bellflower

You have obviously never served your country. When you don the BDU's your opinion about this subject will matter. Until then STFU and enjoy the freedoms that smokers like me have presented to you.


44 posted on 07/21/2005 7:35:10 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I believe they're in some sort of giant cosmic recycle bin, waiting to be permanently wiped from hard drives our lives.

(LOL Ok, that was the best I could do under pressure.)


45 posted on 07/21/2005 7:35:19 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: The Other Harry

Dude! Smoking has always been a part of the military. After getting shot the first thing a soldier wants is his Momma and a smoke.


46 posted on 07/21/2005 7:36:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
I don't recall applying the thumbscrews.


47 posted on 07/21/2005 7:38:00 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: The Other Harry

I have an even better idea, in the interest of the health of our soldiers, let's withdraw them from all dangerous situations.


48 posted on 07/21/2005 7:40:15 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Fierce Allegiance

LOL You're right. You didn't.

I occasionally find myself suffering from posting performance anxiety. The pressure was self-inflicted. ;-)


49 posted on 07/21/2005 7:41:27 AM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

They have meds for that. I know.


50 posted on 07/21/2005 7:46:24 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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