Skip to comments.Doctors' kitchen knives ban call
Posted on 07/23/2005 4:16:17 PM PDT by kerryusama04
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing. A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.
The research is published in the British Medical Journal.
The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.
Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds
In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".
The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.
The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.
French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.
A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.
The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.
"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.
"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."
Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.
"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.
"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.
"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.
"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."
A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."
DARN....my pointy stick is next....
working for a dull society...
How about a two week cooling off period before a knife purchase?
So can a freakin' car. I guess that those are next on the list.
Remember when we used to joke here about knives next? Shaking my head.
Wouldn't it be easier to ban the yobs? ;)
This is a spoof, right? Has the BBC bought out The Onion?
At the beginning of the article, chef's say long, pointy knives aren't needed in the kitchen.
At the end of the article, chef's get to keep their long, pointy knives in THEIR kitchens.
Sorry, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
This is too insane for words......
When long kitchen knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have long kitchen knives. Well, outlaws and those guys on the Food Channel.
No spoof, I just read it in my NRA monthly, America's First Freedom and searched the BBC to post. This is the real deal.
Stone knives are the answer. Remeber, the bombers (terrorists) finally will have bombed England back to the stone age.
Maybe a train ban is needed.
I was SURE this was Scrappleface...sadly, I was wrong...
Where to begin...
Let's outlaw stones! Stones could hurt people!
I think I know where to start now...
But, what if I'm walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after me with a bunch of loganberries?
Next there'll be a ban on motor cars/bikes to reduce deaths from traffic accidents. ....and then possibly a ban on being outside for more than 15 minutes at a time to reduce deaths from skin cancer. .....and how 'bout a ban on conservative editorialists to reduce the pain liberals get from hearing/reading the truth.
This is extremely faulty logc. All it will do
(if one could actually collect all the *billions*
of knives with pointed tips, is to make killers
*slash* instead of stab their victims, and when
it comes to surviving a knife attack, one is going
to lose a lot more blood a lot more quickly with
a large long gash that cannot be easily stanched
with a rag or bandage, than by a puncture hole.
Besides, no matter what the cooks said..there are
times when there are legitimate utilitarian needs
for a pointed tipped knife.
I can see it now..there will be a run at hardware
stores across the nation for awls....
IMO Tke away a womens sharp knives you will have more frustation leadin to domestic uproars.
Ever try to prep a full coarse meal with a plastic knife? It SUCKS!
Or, God forbid, a Banana Fiend!!!!
As in sports or as in what men have?
OK. I want one of those 17 bladed weapons - even if it has to be imported from the Klingon homeworld.
That would be a stain.
Do you think that socialized medicine might play a part in their desire to outfit their country with padded wallpaper? They were all just bricks in the wall...
I guess I should have searched, but this is wacky enough for a third go-round, eh?
Oh and yeah...*knives need such high tech
equipment to manufacture them...why otherwise,
prisoners would be able to make them out of
any hard thin piece of (you name it) and be
able to stab each other!!!!!
...Good thing *that's* not possible....
But but but..those Spam *lids*!!!!!
They have such *sharp* edges!....
"I like Spam..."
You can have my passion fruits when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Darn darn darn.....you beat me to it....
I was looking up the HTML coding
Unbelievable. How about knitting needles? Those are long and pointed. What about scissors? Do Brits need to get kiddie scissors, next? Letter openers -- a nice antique ivory handled one would be considered a weapon, I suppose...
Your ok, just thought you would like to see more. It is a pretty lame idea to ban knives, soon we will all be in straight jackets in rubber rooms where we will be safe.
Oh and just as a point of reference...during
all those wars in humanitys past, fought with
swords...like the Crusades, and the scaracins,
the Mongols and such...the fighters that were
actually taught how to fight...were taught to
'Hack & Slash' rather than stab...Stabbing was
harder to accomplish, and your blade could get
stuck in the enemies body as his muscles tense
up around the blade in his body...Besides, a
'hacked up' opponant, was just as likely to bleed
to death in short order, or pass out from loss of
blood, if you didn't kill them outright. Fools
wasted their time and energy parrying and parrying
until they could stab.
Anohther bit of weapon history: A blade does
not have to be a large pointy tip knife to be
a dangerous weapon and be able to do massive
Take for instance: Have you ever watched old
movies, where women would wear large weird
hats? They would keep those hats in place, with
What these hat pins were, as well as a way to keep
a womans hat in place, was as a defensive weapon.
They were like huge needles, somewhere in the area
of 5 or 6 inches long, and if a woman were attacked,
she could stab her attacker, and if the pin punctured
a lung or an organ, even if the person didn't die
right away, there was a good chance they would die
in a few days time from internal bleeding, or
some other reason brought about by being stabbed
with the little 5" long needle. If they didn't
go to a hospital, if the doctor of the time knew
how to do surgery...knowing fll well, what caused
the wound...a womans hat pin....
How does one chip the flint to make the sharpest edge?
A new and improved Clockwork Orange.
So the real cause isn't the availability of sharp edges within reach. It's substance abuse. Maybe the good doctors are nipping a few drops, too?
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