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Doctors' kitchen knives ban call
BBC news ^ | May 26, 2005

Posted on 07/23/2005 4:16:17 PM PDT by kerryusama04

A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing. A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.

None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds

In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".

The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.

The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.

French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.

A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.

The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.

"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.

"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."

Government response

Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.

"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.

"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.

"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."


TOPICS:
KEYWORDS: defenseless; helpless; liberal; moronic; thinking
First guns, then knives. Where will it all end. Anybody know if it is illegal to bomb a train in the UK?
1 posted on 07/23/2005 4:16:18 PM PDT by kerryusama04
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To: kerryusama04

DARN....my pointy stick is next....

working for a dull society...


2 posted on 07/23/2005 4:17:25 PM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: kerryusama04

How about a two week cooling off period before a knife purchase?


3 posted on 07/23/2005 4:17:57 PM PDT by Dudesdad
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To: kerryusama04
Kitchen knives can inflict appalling wounds

So can a freakin' car. I guess that those are next on the list.

4 posted on 07/23/2005 4:18:03 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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To: kerryusama04

Remember when we used to joke here about knives next? Shaking my head.


5 posted on 07/23/2005 4:18:41 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: kerryusama04

Wouldn't it be easier to ban the yobs? ;)


6 posted on 07/23/2005 4:19:19 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Some people are like gravy, spilled on God's Sunday shirt..." -- Spock's Beard)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Ping


7 posted on 07/23/2005 4:19:34 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: kerryusama04

This is a spoof, right? Has the BBC bought out The Onion?


8 posted on 07/23/2005 4:20:17 PM PDT by Semper911 (Real estate is not real anymore.)
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To: kerryusama04

Let's See.

At the beginning of the article, chef's say long, pointy knives aren't needed in the kitchen.

At the end of the article, chef's get to keep their long, pointy knives in THEIR kitchens.

Sorry, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.


9 posted on 07/23/2005 4:20:19 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: kerryusama04

This is too insane for words......


10 posted on 07/23/2005 4:20:49 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: kerryusama04

When long kitchen knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have long kitchen knives. Well, outlaws and those guys on the Food Channel.


11 posted on 07/23/2005 4:20:57 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Semper911

No spoof, I just read it in my NRA monthly, America's First Freedom and searched the BBC to post. This is the real deal.


12 posted on 07/23/2005 4:21:26 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: kerryusama04

Stone knives are the answer. Remeber, the bombers (terrorists) finally will have bombed England back to the stone age.


13 posted on 07/23/2005 4:22:07 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: kerryusama04

Maybe a train ban is needed.


14 posted on 07/23/2005 4:23:28 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: CindyDawg

I was SURE this was Scrappleface...sadly, I was wrong...


15 posted on 07/23/2005 4:23:34 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: kerryusama04

Where to begin...

Let's outlaw stones! Stones could hurt people!

I think I know where to start now...


16 posted on 07/23/2005 4:24:03 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: kerryusama04
Oh, please. This is all leading to one thing, so just get to it.

Forget all this pointy thing/gun/club nonsense.
Just ban the possession of balls, and be done with it.
17 posted on 07/23/2005 4:24:57 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Loud Mime

But, what if I'm walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after me with a bunch of loganberries?


18 posted on 07/23/2005 4:26:11 PM PDT by LRS
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To: kerryusama04
here and here
19 posted on 07/23/2005 4:26:28 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: kerryusama04

Next there'll be a ban on motor cars/bikes to reduce deaths from traffic accidents. ....and then possibly a ban on being outside for more than 15 minutes at a time to reduce deaths from skin cancer. .....and how 'bout a ban on conservative editorialists to reduce the pain liberals get from hearing/reading the truth.


20 posted on 07/23/2005 4:26:55 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: kerryusama04
Using this logic, I am sure that there is no need for kitchen knives to be made out of anything but plastic. After all, they consulted 10 chefs. 10 chefs whose livelihood depends on whether or not you are able to properly prepare dinner each night. These 10 chefs would much prefer that you eat at their restaurants than try to do-it-yourself.
21 posted on 07/23/2005 4:28:56 PM PDT by Conservative Infidel (How come they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them??)
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To: Semper911

Unfortunately, no...


22 posted on 07/23/2005 4:30:25 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: kerryusama04
I John Wayne Bobbit Endorse this ban.
23 posted on 07/23/2005 4:30:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: All

This is extremely faulty logc. All it will do
(if one could actually collect all the *billions*
of knives with pointed tips, is to make killers
*slash* instead of stab their victims, and when
it comes to surviving a knife attack, one is going
to lose a lot more blood a lot more quickly with
a large long gash that cannot be easily stanched
with a rag or bandage, than by a puncture hole.

Besides, no matter what the cooks said..there are
times when there are legitimate utilitarian needs
for a pointed tipped knife.

I can see it now..there will be a run at hardware
stores across the nation for awls....

...idiots...


24 posted on 07/23/2005 4:30:45 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: kerryusama04

IMO Tke away a womens sharp knives you will have more frustation leadin to domestic uproars.

Ever try to prep a full coarse meal with a plastic knife? It SUCKS!


25 posted on 07/23/2005 4:30:48 PM PDT by oceanperch (Central Oregon Coast Rocks! Pride of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: LRS

Or, God forbid, a Banana Fiend!!!!

26 posted on 07/23/2005 4:33:00 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: bill1952

LOL Balls?
As in sports or as in what men have?


27 posted on 07/23/2005 4:33:16 PM PDT by oceanperch (Central Oregon Coast Rocks! Pride of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: kerryusama04
"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."

OK. I want one of those 17 bladed weapons - even if it has to be imported from the Klingon homeworld.

28 posted on 07/23/2005 4:34:29 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The Slthyerin Way =- Just becuse we don't care about the truth doesn't mean we don't understand it.)
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To: LRS

That would be a stain.


29 posted on 07/23/2005 4:34:43 PM PDT by oceanperch (Central Oregon Coast Rocks! Pride of the Pacific Northwest)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Do you think that socialized medicine might play a part in their desire to outfit their country with padded wallpaper? They were all just bricks in the wall...


30 posted on 07/23/2005 4:35:51 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: Mrs Mark

I guess I should have searched, but this is wacky enough for a third go-round, eh?


31 posted on 07/23/2005 4:36:41 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Walkin' the tightrope between the lost and found.)
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To: NickAtNite

Oh and yeah...*knives need such high tech
equipment to manufacture them...why otherwise,
prisoners would be able to make them out of
any hard thin piece of (you name it) and be
able to stab each other!!!!!

...Good thing *that's* not possible....

...idiots...


32 posted on 07/23/2005 4:37:59 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: kerryusama04
AT least they can still eat
33 posted on 07/23/2005 4:38:25 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: LongElegantLegs

But but but..those Spam *lids*!!!!!
They have such *sharp* edges!....

LOL!


34 posted on 07/23/2005 4:42:31 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: LRS
But, what if I'm walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after me with a bunch of loganberries?

Defending Yourself Against Fruit Attacks

35 posted on 07/23/2005 4:44:22 PM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: NickAtNite

"I like Spam..."

36 posted on 07/23/2005 4:44:57 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: LongElegantLegs

You can have my passion fruits when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.


37 posted on 07/23/2005 4:45:04 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: LongElegantLegs

Darn darn darn.....you beat me to it....

I was looking up the HTML coding


38 posted on 07/23/2005 4:45:22 PM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: kerryusama04

Unbelievable. How about knitting needles? Those are long and pointed. What about scissors? Do Brits need to get kiddie scissors, next? Letter openers -- a nice antique ivory handled one would be considered a weapon, I suppose...


39 posted on 07/23/2005 4:45:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Loud Mime
My Obscure Monty Python Bit skills are without match! Perhaps you should see...The Vocational Guidance Councilor? ;-P
40 posted on 07/23/2005 4:48:27 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: kerryusama04
I guess I should have searched, but this is wacky enough for a third go-round, eh?

Your ok, just thought you would like to see more. It is a pretty lame idea to ban knives, soon we will all be in straight jackets in rubber rooms where we will be safe.

41 posted on 07/23/2005 4:49:15 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: NickAtNite

Oh and just as a point of reference...during
all those wars in humanitys past, fought with
swords...like the Crusades, and the scaracins,
the Mongols and such...the fighters that were
actually taught how to fight...were taught to
'Hack & Slash' rather than stab...Stabbing was
harder to accomplish, and your blade could get
stuck in the enemies body as his muscles tense
up around the blade in his body...Besides, a
'hacked up' opponant, was just as likely to bleed
to death in short order, or pass out from loss of
blood, if you didn't kill them outright. Fools
wasted their time and energy parrying and parrying
until they could stab.


42 posted on 07/23/2005 4:51:31 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: All

Anohther bit of weapon history: A blade does
not have to be a large pointy tip knife to be
a dangerous weapon and be able to do massive
internal injuries.

Take for instance: Have you ever watched old
movies, where women would wear large weird
hats? They would keep those hats in place, with
'hat pins*.

What these hat pins were, as well as a way to keep
a womans hat in place, was as a defensive weapon.

They were like huge needles, somewhere in the area
of 5 or 6 inches long, and if a woman were attacked,
she could stab her attacker, and if the pin punctured
a lung or an organ, even if the person didn't die
right away, there was a good chance they would die
in a few days time from internal bleeding, or
some other reason brought about by being stabbed
with the little 5" long needle. If they didn't
go to a hospital, if the doctor of the time knew
how to do surgery...knowing fll well, what caused
the wound...a womans hat pin....


43 posted on 07/23/2005 5:16:20 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: oceanperch
Cojones.
44 posted on 07/23/2005 5:59:11 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Lokibob

How does one chip the flint to make the sharpest edge?


45 posted on 07/23/2005 6:00:40 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: kerryusama04

A new and improved Clockwork Orange.


46 posted on 07/23/2005 6:03:18 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: kerryusama04
Geez, that was a close call. I was worried that Britain might outlaw box-cutters. Whew! Praise Allah!


47 posted on 07/23/2005 8:34:06 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: kerryusama04
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

So the real cause isn't the availability of sharp edges within reach. It's substance abuse. Maybe the good doctors are nipping a few drops, too?

48 posted on 07/26/2005 1:23:10 AM PDT by John Filson
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