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Should Linux sue SCO?
Groklaw ^ | 2005-08-08 | PJ

Posted on 08/09/2005 8:32:02 PM PDT by N3WBI3

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To: N3WBI3

Well, Stallman *is* a lefty. You're right that it's dead wrong with that broad a brush.

By the same token, I would like to read more than ten posts on one of these threads without someone saying that they use Linux becuase Microsoft sucks. That's subjective. Use Linux because it solves business problems better, more economically and more securely than any other solution.


61 posted on 08/12/2005 8:10:10 PM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Those "copyrighted works" as you referred to them were given away to the public at large to do with as they wish.

No.

As has been previously mentioned, the works that SCO shipped are licensed under the GPL. If the GPL is invalid, then standard copyright applies.

They were not ever given away to the public at large.

And you know it.

62 posted on 08/12/2005 8:16:00 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: unixfox
In 2000, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation awarded a $57 million grant to the United Nations Population (UNFPA) Fund.

Then take a look at...

National Right to Life Response to Reports that the Bush Administration Will Enforce Kemp-Kasten -Coercion Law and De-Fund UNFPA, Due to the UNFPA’s Support for China’s Pervasively Coercive Program

This took 30 seconds to find using a search engine.

Other details of Bill Gates socialist leanings are also easily found with a search engine.

63 posted on 08/12/2005 8:25:12 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Doohickey
Of course, it's your lot that invoked Microsoft and Bill Gates as the source of all evil. The "other" side of this discussion hasn't mentioned it on this thread. Not once.

When buying a product, one needs to be aware of the company's track record on such things as integrity, honesty and whether they have actually provided what they have promised.

Microsoft has failed to display good business ethics in the past and continues to do so today.

That is something that a buyer should consider.

Microsoft has shipped some really bad software. They've shipped some really good software too. Some of their base operating system software has become adequate for desktop use.

The support they offer for their products continues to be substandard. They regularly promise huge improvments in security and stability, yet regularly fail in these promises.

Like it or not, Microsoft is the standard against which other software is judged, simply because there's so much Microsoft software out there.

And Microsoft, largely through huge PR efforts, has managed to create a large, noisy base of anti-Linux fanatics. Thus, every time OSS makes an advance, there are nay-sayers like GE and Bush2000 that pop up and start reading their Redmond-based talking points. Idiots like that should be shouted down.

So how about doing all of us a favor and drop the appeal to spite. Dazzle us with a brilliant dissertation of how OSS is good on it's own merits not just because it's not Microsoft - a company, by the way, that employs more Americans than every pay distribution combined.

And flag-waving statements like this are one of the reasons that Microsoft needs to be held to account for it's illegal and unethical actions along with senior members of it's board and their socialist activities.

Once everyone stops pretending that Microsoft is not a friend to America or American values (unless theft, forced sterilization and extortion became American values recently and no one told me) then we can have a straight-up discussion about the relative technical merits of their software.

Until then, I'll keep pointing out their anti-business and anti-American positions.

64 posted on 08/12/2005 8:39:19 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: N3WBI3
Yes, a perfect example of GE's well-trained selective outrage.

When IBM was accused of using SCO's code, he was screaming for them to be hanged, even before any evidence had been presented.

When the evidence started coming out that IBM was wrongly accused, GE remained rather silent.

Now that SCO stands accused of stealing from Linux, he ignores it completely, down to continuously ignoring the same question about it over and over.

Personally, I think that the USPTO became obsolete the day they stopped requiring that a working model be submitted along with the application.

And the DMCA makes copyright laws a joke.

65 posted on 08/12/2005 8:43:40 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

I respect your opinion, but that's just what it is. Opinion. I want to read about what Linux and Open Source is, not what it isn't (Microsoft). Not much of that goes on around these parts.


66 posted on 08/12/2005 8:46:14 PM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: Doohickey
Well, you're probably on the wrong thread then.

The whole SCO lawsuit has been cheered on and, to some extent, funded by Microsoft. They are hip-deep in this issue.

The SCO suit is largely a proxy attack by Microsoft.

That's why they always come up during a SCO lawsuit discussion.

67 posted on 08/12/2005 8:52:47 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

Yeah, you're probably right. First Bill Gates is the crafty mastermind - smart enough to outsmart Jobs, Ellison, McNeely and every other great mind in the software industry - after that he's accused of a rather transparent and ameteurish swipe at Linux.

You guys need to make up your free and open minds.


68 posted on 08/12/2005 8:58:14 PM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: unixfox
Actually, that second link is the denial from a pro-abortion group.

Here, try this...

FY 2004 Funding for the UN Population Fund (UNFPA)

Involuntary Participation: The UNFPA's Activities In Peru And China

U.N. Complicit in Forced Sterilizations

69 posted on 08/12/2005 9:06:17 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Doohickey
Yeah, you're probably right. First Bill Gates is the crafty mastermind

So was Alfonse Capone. So what?

Just because he's smart and has managed to use theft, extortion and rackeetering to make a bundle, we should give him a pass?

Did you vote for Bill Clinton?

70 posted on 08/12/2005 9:07:52 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane
Did you vote for Bill Clinton?

Couldn't stand reasoned discussion, could you? Have a pleasant weekend.

71 posted on 08/12/2005 9:10:22 PM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: Doohickey
Oh, I forgot fraud.

When William H. Gates III sold DOS to IBM, he didn't own it.

Once he found out what IBM wanted, he bought QDOS from Seattle Computing and then delivered it to IBM.

Selling something you don't own is fraud in most American jurisdictions.

And the "ameteurish swipe" at Linux has cost IBM, Novell and RedHat millions, millions that could have been used to put out a better product.

Legal attacks to wrap up the competition until they can no longer afford to ship a product are another Microsoft hallmark. See Stac v. Microsoft for the most blatant example.

72 posted on 08/12/2005 9:12:52 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Doohickey
Couldn't stand reasoned discussion, could you? Have a pleasant weekend.

For me, "reasoned discussion" does not include ingoring illegal activity just because it gets in the way of the bottom line. Or because it will "keep abortion legal" or whatever else said person or group is promising to provide.

Either you are okay with illegal acts, like perjury in front of a court of law, another Microsoft offense along with Bill Clinton, or you aren't.

I'm against it, personally. So I'm against Microsoft.

How's that for "reasoned"?

73 posted on 08/12/2005 9:16:43 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

Geez. Now just touch yourself and your night will be complete.


74 posted on 08/12/2005 9:18:59 PM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: Doohickey
Geez. Now just touch yourself and your night will be complete.

Gee, the guy who wanted "reasoned discusion" now starts making sexually suggestive comments.

But then, the lefties did keep saying that it was all about sex, didn't they?

*snicker*

75 posted on 08/12/2005 9:24:45 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: js1138
Server 2003 enterprise (25 users) can be purchased for under a grand if you go to Pricegrabber. Five CAL packs are about $200, so that makes the total about $4000. About $40 a seat. The cost of two years of antivirus software.

And that is, of course, a license to install 25 instances of server, and not remote desktop licenses. OH wait, it's not a license to install 25 instances... ah well, nice try.
76 posted on 08/12/2005 9:32:15 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: Doohickey
Dazzle us with a brilliant dissertation of how OSS is good on it's own merits not just because it's not Microsoft - a company, by the way, that employs more Americans than every pay distribution combined.

This thread was about how SCO has violated the GPL and US copyright law. Not about the merits of OSS. But Ill give you a couple..

Choice of vendor, code ownership, code visibility...

77 posted on 08/12/2005 10:00:55 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Bulwark
And that is, of course, a license to install 25 instances of server, and not remote desktop licenses.

What on earth are you talking about? You are making no sense.

78 posted on 08/13/2005 6:23:59 AM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: N3WBI3
Clinets running 2000 pro do not need exchange cals..

There really isn't any limit to the number of email addresses you can have, but Exchange isn't free, and SQL Server has a limit on the number of concurrent users.

It's maybe $60 a seat for Server, Exchange and SQL combined.

79 posted on 08/13/2005 6:27:43 AM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: js1138

js I was only saying that with 98 and below you would have to buy a cal for exchange, for 2k and higher you do not. As for SQL youre rightand that why I only mentioned exchange.


80 posted on 08/13/2005 8:07:31 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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