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Storm economic impact seen modest - White House (Pollyanna Alert!)
Yahoo! ^ | 8/31/2005 | Reuters

Posted on 08/31/2005 10:34:39 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves

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To: Always Right
The fact that growth is measured as a pecentage is a dead giveaway that you have exponential growth,

Lol, the fact that the slope is decreasing is a dead giveaway that you do not have exponential growth.

21 posted on 08/31/2005 12:25:27 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

BWA HWA HWA HWA !!!

This is exponentially worse than 9/11.


22 posted on 08/31/2005 12:27:57 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: AdamSelene235
Lol, the fact that the slope is decreasing is a dead giveaway that you do not have exponential growth.

Yes, real world data does that. But as long as our money supply continues to grow at a 4% or whatever, that decreasing slope will take a swing upward. That is the power of exponential growth. Really, you have no clue at what you speak.

23 posted on 08/31/2005 12:29:34 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
? We are dealing with a very simple exponential curve.

It's pretty easy to understand why fission is a simple exponential process or yeast growth is exponential.

But I don't seem a similiar case for either GDP or money supply or even human population.

24 posted on 08/31/2005 12:34:56 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Always Right
We are dealing with a very simple exponential curve.

No *you* are reducing a very complex phenomenon to a very simple exponential curve.

The data is far more interesting than your model of the data (which has absolutely no predictive value).

25 posted on 08/31/2005 1:03:07 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: McGavin999

If hydrocarbon prices stay high everything that uses them will be more expensive. Don't forget that trains, ships and trucks all burn hydrocarbon fules and that chemical plants use hydrocarbons (mostly NG) as a feedstock.


26 posted on 08/31/2005 3:05:18 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: AdamSelene235
No *you* are reducing a very complex phenomenon to a very simple exponential curve.

No, I am reducing it the correct complexity. M3 is grows exponentially. The biggest glitch in the data is from 1990-1992 where the money supply was tightened which lead to Clinton being elected.


27 posted on 08/31/2005 3:44:49 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Thanks for providing the A and K constants.

The problem is, in order to match the curve 20 years from now, you will need an entirely diffent curve.

For example, try matching today's data using only a 1960-1980 data set.

The stuff that happening from 1986 to 1985 is interesting and not exponential. The only reason you can lay and exp function on top of the current data is that you already know the answer.


28 posted on 08/31/2005 4:11:56 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235
1986 to 1985

should read 1986-1995

29 posted on 08/31/2005 4:15:17 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: SolarisRocks
The country will adjust. People will trade in their SUVs for something more fuel efficient (which will stimulate the auto industry) and when more fuel is available, the price will come back down.

The upshot from all of this is that the country will build more refineries (more work for pipefitters, iron workers, laborers, carpenters, cement masons etc.) and that will stimulate the down line industries (valve makers, sheetmetal workers, fab shops) and support industries (auto industries, food service industries, etc. etc.)

For a long time, our problem has not been lack of crude, it's been lack of finished product. The designer blends that the different cities require has been the bottleneck. I say that if a city wants a designer blend, then they should take the standard product from the refineries and do the blending in their own plants in each state.

30 posted on 08/31/2005 4:44:02 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("You must call evil by it's name" GW Bush ......... It's name is Terror)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

In the short term, you are correct. In the long term, the economy will expand because of the hurricane.


31 posted on 08/31/2005 5:02:15 PM PDT by pissant
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Katrina may end up being the "Ten Sigma event" some economists have feared that will trigger the next Great Depression. You can't repair your way into prosperity - even though Home Depot and Lowes may have a few good quarters and create that illusion. Immense economic value has been wiped out - and a million people are going to have to start from scratch.

There is optimism and there is utter blindness to reality; Bernanke, Kudlow and their ilk are too often guilty of the latter.

32 posted on 08/31/2005 5:18:04 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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Since the economy is already cooking, there is no camel's back to break. Willie Green doesn't count as an economist!

Not just Home Depot and Lowes. All the Contractors that will get overtime pay, all the cement, steel and wood products manufacturers, all the electrical cable and switchgear manufacturer's, etc, etc. Then all those people will take their overtime $$ and buy new cars, boats, vacations, etc. You'll see.


33 posted on 08/31/2005 5:23:34 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Always Right
Obviously the money supply growth probably varies from about 4-6% per year, .

Actually, you ended up using a money supply growth rate of around 8%. Gee, isn't that a bit higher than our average GDP growth rate?

but there is a best fit exponential curve that would map the data very well

There is also a Fourier series of sine waves that will fit it a hell of alot better or a polynomial that will at least capture the roll over in the 1990's.

And this tells us what exactly?

34 posted on 08/31/2005 9:42:38 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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