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Trying to set up a home network
Me, myself, and I | 09/06/2005 | Tennessee_Bob

Posted on 09/06/2005 5:52:41 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob

Ok, let me get a couple critical things out of the way first.

Yes, I am logged in.

Never met a moose.

I don't have a sister.

I do like cheese.

I am not running CP/M.

I have Googled this.

I'm pretty sure it's Bush's fault.

I hope I got everything out of the way, but I'm sure if I didn't, it will be pointed out in a bold, 24 point font.

Yesterday, I had two machines, one running XP Home, one running Win2k. After fixing a friend of mine's computer (why is it that the only time women ever call me is when they need help with their computers? Oh, sure, they act all interested for thirty minutes or so, but then, invariably, the conversation goes, "Oh, Bob, do you still work on computers?) I then had three machines - the third is an old Gateway 750. It runs fine. I brought it home, and burned down the drive and then installed Win2K Server. I have legitimate version of the software - don't ask why.

In any case, I installed it just to see if it would install, sort of a benchmark test, if you will.

So, now I have three machines, and I'd like to build a network with them. Why? Because when I go for an interview, I'd like to be able to say that I have some experience beyond just seeing the stuff boot up.

Assume the following:
I have a cable modem
I have a Viewsonic wireless router, which also acts as a four port router
Each machine has a valid, functioning NIC onboard.

Two of the NICs are hard NICS - cable has to plug in to communicate, the third one is a wireless card.

For 25 percent of the semester grade, can someone point me towards a decent "do it yourself" guide to building a server based home network system?

Any assistance - either personal experience or telling me where to go - and if you knew where I worked, you'd know that I'm already in Hell, so that's not a valid answer - would be appreciated.


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: cheese; computerhelp; helphelphelp; homenetwork; loggedin; moose; network; router; server; sister
Thanks for the help in advance.

BTW, does anyone out there think that there might be something possibly serious with this lady who gave me the computer? I mean...well...never mind.

1 posted on 09/06/2005 5:52:47 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Tennessee_Bob

But are ya series and is this huge ?.......BTTT !


2 posted on 09/06/2005 5:54:04 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Shouldn't this be excerpted? Do you have a working link? (sorry, you asked for it!)


3 posted on 09/06/2005 5:54:49 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

What about the beeber?


4 posted on 09/06/2005 5:55:21 PM PDT by jbstrick (insert clever tagline here)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

with or without beeber?


5 posted on 09/06/2005 5:55:32 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: Tennessee_Bob

First, check your beeber to see if it is stuned. Then take a shower. All your PC are belong to us.


6 posted on 09/06/2005 5:55:49 PM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: jbstrick

Darn it, beat me by 11 seconds.


7 posted on 09/06/2005 5:56:13 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: NonValueAdded

Wow. that was creepy.


8 posted on 09/06/2005 5:56:21 PM PDT by jbstrick (insert clever tagline here)
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To: jbstrick; NonValueAdded

The computer was free, so for right now, this is a low buck project. I don't want to go with a beeber out of the back of someone's car - I want a high quality beeber - so I'm saving my pennies for that.


9 posted on 09/06/2005 5:58:37 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Kitty time in the sandbox?

Go to http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/networking - getting Win2k to talk with Windows Home can be a pain in the rump, but it is possible. Read a lot, play some, and you'll get it up and running.

Oh.. Well.. Darn it, I figure it also might be fun to point you towards Microsoft's Networking Setup Wizard located on your control panel on XP Home - Service pack 2. But seriously, spend some time on those faqs first - mucho useful information.
10 posted on 09/06/2005 5:59:02 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: Squantos
But are ya series and is this huge

Well, she's pretty, and she's very nice, and she thinks my daughter is awesome - so it could be series. And no, she's not huge - but what about the network??

11 posted on 09/06/2005 5:59:47 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

You're going to need plenty of antifreeze--Zerex. None of that Prestone crap, it's gotta be Zerex. And ball bearings. It's all about ball bearings.


12 posted on 09/06/2005 6:01:08 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg. Gosh I miss her!)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

IBTZ!


J/K


13 posted on 09/06/2005 6:02:35 PM PDT by Xenophobic Alien ("It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level.")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

http://www.winguides.com/


14 posted on 09/06/2005 6:04:45 PM PDT by jbstrick (insert clever tagline here)
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To: Squantos

Should I ask them to move this to breaking news??


15 posted on 09/06/2005 6:06:47 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Are you using linux on a Mac. with firefox as your browser?

Cause windows is your problem Internet Explorer is evil.


(I figured I could harass ya some more


16 posted on 09/06/2005 6:10:19 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: Rightly Biased

Actually, I prefer to browse in assembler, run through my TI-90 graphing calculator. Yeah, it's a little slow, and seeing pictures is really a bear - but it's a challenge, and that's what I like :)


17 posted on 09/06/2005 6:11:52 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

are you doing to set up a network with DHCP or Static IP addressing?


18 posted on 09/06/2005 6:12:06 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Ohio State vs. Texarse, Sept 10th)
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To: MikeinIraq

I'm open to suggestions on that avenue. First time setting this kind of thing up, and I figured that this was the place to come for general harassment and good ideas - scary, eh?


19 posted on 09/06/2005 6:13:41 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob; Future Snake Eater

Oh I didn't have a good answer for ya so I just bumped yer thread Bob......:o)

I use a cingular WAN plan that lets me use my laptop on the road. When I'm home it's just a dial up and my Cable connection to the desktop. I'll monitor this thread to see yer results !

FSE has some good puter sense if my memory serves me correct.....him or his Dad I believe......heeeeelp FSE if ya have time !


Stay safe !


20 posted on 09/06/2005 6:15:39 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Tennessee_Bob

LOL - harrassment is part of the fun.

well it depends on how you are doing it. I would assume that your server will be connected to the router and then the workstations will be connected to the server in some form or fashion?


21 posted on 09/06/2005 6:16:05 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Ohio State vs. Texarse, Sept 10th)
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To: MikeinIraq

Here's what I have set up right now - the server, while loaded and operational, isn't on the network anywhere. It's standing alone, in the corner.

I have the cable modem, then the cable modem connected to the router, and then my XP home machine is wired to the router. My daughter's Win2K machine is on a wireless NIC to the router.

What I would like to do is to have the server act as the server for the home network, as well as the gateway to the internet. Can it be done as it stands right now, or do I need an additional NIC for the server or what??


22 posted on 09/06/2005 6:30:07 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

you are going to need an additional NIC.

As I remember, you will want to have the incoming connections from the router on one, and if you want the server to be a gateway, you will need to keep that separate for the cable modem.

Since you are doing a small network, I would advise doing static ips so we don't have to get into subnet masks and the DHCP pool of addresses and all that jazz...


23 posted on 09/06/2005 6:33:51 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Ohio State vs. Texarse, Sept 10th)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
(why is it that the only time women ever call me is when they need help with their computers? Oh, sure, they act all interested for thirty minutes or so, but then, invariably, the conversation goes, "Oh, Bob, do you still work on computers?)

LOL! Don't sell yourself short. My husband - before he was my husband - and I worked together at a company and I thought he was cute. Got a hint from one of the matchmakers in the office that he was really interested in cars - he restored antiques, fixed current model and used cars, etc. I needed a car anyway, bought one, then he offered to teach me to drive. (Long story short - my driving made my parents nervous, so I couldn't learn on their car)

In October, we'll be married 28 years. :)

24 posted on 09/06/2005 6:34:01 PM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality)
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To: MikeinIraq

Cool - I think I've got a spare in one of the boxes I have yet to unpack - even more motivation to finish unpacking. I figured that's probably how it would go, but it's a matter of sorting out the details. I'm thinking it'll be fun just to play with.


25 posted on 09/06/2005 6:36:42 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

ohh yeah...

if you can do this, you can do just about anything with computers, at least windows-wise.

now if you were talking Sun Blades, that would be fun too, except you wouldn't need the server, the Blade would BE the server :)


26 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:32 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Ohio State vs. Texarse, Sept 10th)
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To: 80 Square Miles

So, what you're saying is that this might be a subtle move on her part to engage my interest based on her need for help with a computer.

Then again, she might have just needed help with the computer... lol ;)


27 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:43 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

I'm just saying, be watchful for all possibilities...


28 posted on 09/06/2005 7:01:29 PM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
I am not running CP/M.

LOL

Well, at least you're prepared. < |:)~

29 posted on 09/06/2005 7:14:00 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
I'm open to suggestions on that avenue.

DHCP vs. Static IP adressing isn't your choice. It's up to whatever protocol is used by your ISP. At least, as far as DHCP is concerned. If they use it, you must set your network to use it.

30 posted on 09/06/2005 7:34:17 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

"Then again, she might have just needed help with the computer..."

Faint heart never won fair lady.

And that's all the advice I can offer, other than to remind you she will probably not want to hear all the gnarly details of this beeber stuning network building.


31 posted on 09/06/2005 7:50:36 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
DHCP vs. Static IP adressing isn't your choice

I realize that that isn't my choice as far as how the server goes out to the ISP - but so far as how the server addresses my internal network - isn't that something I can make decisions on?

32 posted on 09/06/2005 9:13:26 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: jocon307

Well, I've gone out with her once before - so I'm thinking it was more than just computer repair. The question is - and I've been out of dating for a long time - how many dates before I can show her my beeber?


33 posted on 09/06/2005 9:14:17 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: Tennessee_Bob

"...how many dates before I can show her my beeber?"

Why sir, if I wasn't a yankee I'd faint!


34 posted on 09/06/2005 9:37:47 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Yes, for your internal network, you decide whether it is DHCP, Static, or a mix.

The above statement assumes you have a router, not just a switch or hub, connecting your internal network to your DSL line. Routers can translate the IP addresses on network packets between the numbers used within your local network and the IP address(es) assigned to you by your ISP. Routers usually also provide a useful form of firewall, refusing to let in requests from the outside except when they are replies to something you sent out.

Your PC's and Mac's will address the router (and perhaps each other) using IP addresses (the things that look like 192.168.0.1) obtained using your choice of DHCP (dynamically assigned by the router when the PC boots) or Static (a fixed IP address you tell the PC it has, until further notice.)

Your router will address your ISP via the DSL line using either a static IP address (more expensive, but preferred if you are running servers that others use) or DHCP (dynamically assigned with some range by your ISP).

35 posted on 09/07/2005 2:47:53 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Remember to knock down any software firewalls.


36 posted on 09/07/2005 2:48:18 AM PDT by dfwddr
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To: Squantos; Future Snake Eater

I've gotten to be a bit of a whiz setting up wireless networks........but FSE is far better at any other server-based networking schemes.


37 posted on 09/07/2005 2:53:00 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Tennessee_Bob
...but so far as how the server addresses my internal network - isn't that something I can make decisions on?

Actually, I don't think so. The DHCP vs. Static IP adressing protocol selection is only made in one place when you set up a PC with yor ISP and having a LAN doesn't change that. To deal with IP shortages, DHCP lets the ISP assign an IP to your cable modem or NIC and when it is not in use, the ISP takes that IP back and places it in a pool. It has to do with your gateway to the internet.

Now, as far as the IPs within your home network...your router usually is assigned an IP and your nodes (PCs) are numbered following that. (i.e. 168.0.0.1 then 169.0.0.2, etc, etc...)
I believe you can chenge those to your hearts content so DCHP within the LAN makes no sense.

38 posted on 09/07/2005 7:59:05 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!")
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To: RightOnline

FSE and you (I believe) talked me into building/assembling all my own computers vs buying em. Wise advice......much better systems for my needs vs what others "think" I need off the rack ! Over the counter Laptops aside my desktops are good reliable machines.

Thanks !


39 posted on 09/07/2005 10:12:30 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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