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THE TRAP THE DEMS SET FOR BUSH
laz | 9/08/05 | laz

Posted on 09/07/2005 11:53:45 PM PDT by laz

Someone on FR asked this question:

I will say it again, did the RATS intentionally make things worse in LA to use as a political weapon ?

My answer is yes, indeed they did. They most certainly did. And they made that decision BEFORE Katrina even hit.

I outline their entire plan in a thread I posted several days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1478397/posts

But before you read it, let me go even further than I did on that thread and take what I said to its logical conclusion. And if, after reading the thread, you think it's too far-fetched, just consider the slander and venom that the Left has been spewing all across the board, as if someone has pressed a button and mobilized them everywhere.

The Left set a trap for Bush, plain and simple, and it was a two-pronged trap. They willingly allowed a natural disaster to be as bad as it could be, so that they could blame the result on Bush in the orgy of slander and calumnies we are witnessing. There has been no incompetence and no stupidity (except possibly in the case of Nagin). All the chaos and mayhem we have seen are the results of a calculated, deliberate plan of INACTION so that the fruits of that inaction could be laid at the feet of George W. Bush. The failure to use buses for evacuation... keeping FEMA and the Red Cross out... failing to nip the anarchy in the bud and allowing everything to go to hell... all CALCULATED AND DELIBERATE. The entire thing has been an operation carried out by the DNC and the MSM in complete collusion, because for the past five years their entire raison d'etre has been to destroy George W. Bush for his "crime" of being elected instead of Gore.

I have described the first half of their trap. Here is the second half. They also allowed the disaster to get as bad as it could be in an attempt to force the President to overstep his authority in order to save lives. By using Blanco as a giant monkey wrench in the federal machine, sabotaging the federal effort and blocking all help, they tried to force Bush's hand into violating Posse Comitatus so they could impeach him. It's that simple. They are truly diabolical.

Do you understand now, the extent of the set-up? They wanted to use Bush's own Christian compassion (of which they have absolutely none, despite all of their pretension) to violate the Constitution in order to save the lives of the drowning and dying. They tried to force his back to the wall and create a situation so desperate where he would need to take desperate action.

I hate it when I see the Left described as stupid. Does anyone really think they could be stupid and get to where they have gotten? If they were stupid, they would not have grown into the threat they have become, and gotten to control the media, academia, and so on. They are very, very smart, and the results of their actions and policies are not unintential screw-ups by well-intentioned but misguided fools, but deliberate damage by fanatics playing by Marx's book for over four decades. Step by step, meticulously, they have gotten to where they are, and they MUST be stopped... or our nation will not survive.

As it is, Bush didn't fall into the second half of their trap, but the first half was unavoidable as soon as the MSM began the cacophony of lies and calumnies and accusations of racism. To the Dems, it's a win-win situation... but in the end, it'll be a lose-lose for them. For as the Bible says, he who sets a trap will fall into it himself, and he who rolls a stone will have it roll back on him. The Truth will destroy them.

This rock they have tried to roll, because of its very size, they will not be able to push... and it will roll back on them the way it did on Wile E. Coyote every time he tried to get the Roadrunner.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: corruption; democrats; entrapment; lies; msm; paranoia; slander
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1 posted on 09/07/2005 11:53:47 PM PDT by laz
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To: laz

No trap. Just total incompetence. Blanco and Nagin are waaaay too stupid and inept to be setting traps.


2 posted on 09/07/2005 11:57:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: laz
Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to Malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

3 posted on 09/07/2005 11:58:51 PM PDT by konaice
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To: laz

Well it's a good theory but no way will it ever be proven short of The Sinkmeister himself confessing and in bringing forth tapes of the plotters setting it up.


4 posted on 09/07/2005 11:59:39 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: laz
Bush calling "ahead full" on the rescue ship and the Dems throwing out the anchor. Blanco and Nagin are totally incompetent, I don't know if it started out as a plan, but as they see their failures has gone unnoticed by the MSM and the blame fell on Bush I think they started to drag their feet even more. Maybe if the media would have given them some criticism they would have dome something?
6 posted on 09/08/2005 12:00:25 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: laz

You forget that the fact that the Dems in LA have been taking kickbacks from crooked contractors who used substandard materials and methods when they should have been shoring up the levees. These will show up when they start investigations. You can start by searching all of Nagin's personal papers and computers and I'll bet that you will find millions of dollars of money in offshore bank accounts.


7 posted on 09/08/2005 12:01:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: konaice

Or greed or incompetence.


8 posted on 09/08/2005 12:02:28 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: laz
In order to believe this you would have to believe that the Governor and the Mayor are willing to commit political suicide for the DNC. I don't think so, politicians are a very selfish and self serving bunch.
9 posted on 09/08/2005 12:03:56 AM PDT by msnimje (CNN - Constant Negative Nonsense)
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To: konaice
Never attribute to Malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I'll have to second that. While I can be as tin-foil hat wearing as the next guy, it is hard to believe that the Dem leadership could be that evil.

10 posted on 09/08/2005 12:07:07 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Jim Robinson
No trap. Just total incompetence. Blanco and Nagin are waaaay too stupid and inept to be setting traps.

Do you think either of them will even bother running for reelection? Blanco isn't just an idiot, she committed political suicide. She's caused her base constituency to be spread all across the country. I bet most them won't return. She's just lucky she didn't get them all killed. Katrina was a cat 5 storm while it was offshore on Sunday, Aug. 28. If it had continued straight for New Orleans at that strength, there would have been few survivors. The levee system was only intended to protect against a cat 3 or less storm. As soon as it became a cat 4 storm, the evacuation plan should have been executed.

11 posted on 09/08/2005 12:07:31 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Chevy Sales

I don't recall ever implying Blanco masterminded any plan. She is a TOOL being used by the ones calling the shots. As I described her, a monkey wrench thrown into the federal machine.


12 posted on 09/08/2005 12:07:46 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: laz

Well, you know the saying (adapted): Just because you think it's a trap doesn't mean they aren't out to lay one. I don't know if it was all as preconceived as you suggest. Maybe started out as incompetence, then suspecting Bush of trying to play politics because that's what the left would do, then politicizing it in reaction to their suspicion. One thing I know for sure, and that is the Dem leadership is corrupted and can and does stoop to almost any level to further their agenda.


13 posted on 09/08/2005 12:08:56 AM PDT by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: laz
I hate it when I see the Left described as stupid. Does anyone really think they could be stupid and get to where they have gotten? If they were stupid, they would not have grown into the threat they have become, and gotten to control the media, academia, and so on. They are very, very smart, and the results of their actions and policies are not unintential screw-ups by well-intentioned but misguided fools, but deliberate damage by fanatics playing by Marx's book for over four decades. Step by step, meticulously, they have gotten to where they are, and they MUST be stopped... or our nation will not survive.

I think that you're right. I agreed with Wayne LaPierre when he said that the dems were willing to accept a certain level of death and violence in order to help push their political agenda, and I agree with you here. Certainly, not the "rank and file" dems, but the leadership? Absolutely.

There's a ring of truth to the saying that there are two parties: The evil party (the dems) and the stupid party (the pubbies).

Mark

14 posted on 09/08/2005 12:09:34 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: laz
I hate it when I see the Left described as stupid. Does anyone really think they could be stupid and get to where they have gotten?

"Where they have gotten" is minority status in the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and most state legislatures. Plus, they have lost the last two Presidential elections. The scumbags of the left are getting loonier by the hour and as far as a massive Democrat conspiracy (and I LOVE conspiracies!) to try to make Bush look bad by sabotaging New Orleans, I can't buy it. It appears that a lot of Democrats have died in New Orleans, and even the Democrats aren't stupid enough to kill that many of their own votes on purpose.

15 posted on 09/08/2005 12:10:27 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: laz
9-11 and the Presidents response to it are responsible for the downfall of the democratic party in the elections since. The left is desperate not to let Bush have another 9-11. Very believable theory
16 posted on 09/08/2005 12:10:31 AM PDT by Species8472
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To: glorgau
it is hard to believe that the Dem leadership could be that evil.

The same thing was said about Hitler and the Nazis, wasn't it, in the beginning. Before the evil had run its course and the extent of it was finally revealed.

Rule of thumb: NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE ENEMY. It can be, and is often, fatal.

17 posted on 09/08/2005 12:10:52 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: laz; Interesting Times; GreyFriar

I believe you have it exactly right. Incompetence cannot explain the pattern of behavior we have seen, except for Mayor Nagin.

It was a trap. And the full-court leftist attack was orchestrated.

But President Bush pre-empted one jaw of the trap by taking the initiative before the hurricane made landfall, and he avoided the other jaw of the trap by staying within his legal authority.


18 posted on 09/08/2005 12:11:01 AM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: msnimje
In order to believe this you would have to believe that the Governor and the Mayor are willing to commit political suicide for the DNC.

Not really they could have been promised an appointment, or a job at some lib company.

19 posted on 09/08/2005 12:11:18 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: laz
I just think it was incompetence of the state and local leaders.

The dems don't have a Karl Rove to create this situation.(sarcasm)

20 posted on 09/08/2005 12:11:42 AM PDT by dancusa (Appeasement, high taxes and regulation collects in the diapers of bed wetting liberals.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"No trap. Just total incompetence. Blanco and Nagin are waaaay too stupid and inept to be setting traps."

And so is Cindy Sheehan (stupid and inept). However the dem "handlers" are quick to organize when they see what might be a chance.

I think that is partly what happened here.
21 posted on 09/08/2005 12:11:58 AM PDT by JSteff
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To: laz

It is not a trap. It is just the nature of the devil to always ask for more...


22 posted on 09/08/2005 12:12:01 AM PDT by Tempest
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To: glorgau
Their hatred for Bush is an all consuming rage, in all my life I have never seen anything like it. That said, their hatred will, in the end, be their undoing.
23 posted on 09/08/2005 12:14:00 AM PDT by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Rove's fault.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Just a prediction: the kickbacks will never be revealed, except to maybe a couple minor officials, who will swing. The contractors (if they are still in existence) will be fined, and the higher-ups will walk, pointing the finger as they go. Anyone who tries to reveal a major player will have a convenient accident, or go visit some obscure park...

Just what I expect, anyway. Anyone who would endanger an entire city for lucre will have no compunctions about arkanside.

24 posted on 09/08/2005 12:14:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: glorgau
While I can be as tin-foil hat wearing as the next guy, it is hard to believe that the Dem leadership could be that evil.

Ummmm, one word. "HILLARY".

25 posted on 09/08/2005 12:15:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, they are stupid and incompetent. But they have the uncanny ability to make it up as they go along. They are comfortable liars and have no worry about self-contradiction.

Any event will look like a conspiracy through the lens they focus on it. The lens is their common mindset. or more accurately common illness.



26 posted on 09/08/2005 12:15:58 AM PDT by I see my hands (Soon evacuees will have absolute moral authority and entitlement.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That's been my view as well, Money is at the root of their need to 'control' the situation, Add to Nagin both Blanco, Landrieu and any other corrupt officials LA.

From an item by Michael Grunwald Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, September 8, 2005:

"Over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon."


27 posted on 09/08/2005 12:18:23 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Species8472
My feelings exactly. I think the democrats felt that Bush would be an inept, one term President whom they could brush off as a court appointed President and easily defeat in 2004. Then 9/11 happened and everything changed. They lost seats in both houses in the 2002 elections, and even more in 2004.
28 posted on 09/08/2005 12:19:55 AM PDT by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Rove's fault.)
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To: SeaBiscuit
"Over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.

But doesn't the BLM do most of the engineering projects in the western states?

29 posted on 09/08/2005 12:20:15 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: skimask
Their hatred for Bush is an all consuming rage, in all my life I have never seen anything like it. That said, their hatred will, in the end, be their undoing.

They are Ahab, and he is the whale. Well, we know what happened to Ahab, don't we?

30 posted on 09/08/2005 12:23:34 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: laz
Good analogy
31 posted on 09/08/2005 12:26:27 AM PDT by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Rove's fault.)
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To: laz
Here's how I saw it: Blanco is one greedy little witch. She saw the hurricane coming and conspired with the rest of the corrupt LA officials to squander money from the feds. She said she needed money for evacuations and debris removal. She didn't do much evacuating at state expenses it seems, and 'debris removal' sounds kinda hard to audit. She and her cronies, including some prominent cops, saw a way to get filthy rich rebuilding the city. "Mr Pres, I need money, not people yet," is what she basically said in the letter to the Pres before the storm hit.

Nagin is their goat. They all turned their backs on the guy that wanted to clean up corruption. They really wanted to get back at him for straightening out the school system (or trying to straighten it) and since he's not the in-crowd (not a career politician) they conspired to put it all on him.

The storm hits and 1/3 or 2/3 the cops are MIA. They're gathering all the incriminating evidence under cover of the storm. Where to put it all?? Las Vegas. That's where they can assume their 'operations'.

Blanco needs to keep the feds out until all evidence is clear, but there's some kind of problem and she needs to buy time. "I need to think about your offer, Mr Pres, for a full 24 hours." "The mayor ordered mandatory evacuations, but I'm not ready to grant that. Let's test the water first." (not real quotes from her, obviously)

The opportunistic jackals came full swing on their own power, seizing the opportunity to bash Bush despite all their Constitutional knowledge of state sovereignty. They never disappoint.

Enter the Rev Jackson. "I need a distraction from shady dealings with Citgo & Chavez & Blanco and how I've conspired to keep my own race poor so that I can be rich. And Blanco's gonna blow the whole thing. So .... I see racism!" Yep. For Blanco & Jackson, it's all about oil & money.

Nagin: "The CIA's gonna kill me." He foretells his own death but mentions the CIA coz he knows that if he mentions the real killers then he WILL be dead. The conspirators want him out because when the investigation comes they'll find that Nagin is clean, and they'll find that Nagin did everything he could but was obstructed by Blanco, the cops, and the schools.

How deep does this go? Soros maybe? Lefty loonies everywhere doing business with Castro and Chavez are threatened to be exposed if the infrastructure of New Orleans corruption is ever tampered with by the Feds.

Or not.
32 posted on 09/08/2005 12:48:57 AM PDT by TheSpaceCoyote
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To: laz
Here are my top ten great mysteries of New Orleans 2005:

1. The school/city buses stuck in the water
2. No evacuation of low areas all day Tuesday after the levee broke on Monday night
3. Empty contraflow lanes next to packed outbound lanes
4. Red Cross not allowed in to New Orleans
5. Failure to call evacuation 72 hours before the storm (standard)
6. Delays in asking for U.S. troops
7. 1/3 of a major city police force abandoning their post
8. Convention Center never announced as an evacuation point
9. Two police suicides
10. All police radios down

Individually, all of these can be attributed to neglect/incompetence/panic. But taken together...? And one thing that has bugged me from the day violence started in New Orleans.

I have heard repeated reports about thugs using AK-47s to terrorize the victims and first responders. Fox News reported on Wednesday night that shooters were firing on a New Orleans police station with AK-47s.

But drug gangs don't often use AK-47s, it is a hard weapon to get your hands on. It is certainly not a gun that you could steal from Wal Mart.

Nobody has ever answered the questions: Why would people stuck in the New Orleans flood fire guns at police and first responders trying to help them? Where did they get AK-47s?
33 posted on 09/08/2005 12:49:39 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: laz; Jim Robinson
Evening, my friends.

A basic rule I have (not mine, but borrowed) is, "Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity." This rule applies to bureaucrats, politicians, engineers, lawyers (well, maybe not lawyers), etc.

There are two reasons which back up the rule. One is Occam's Razor, that the simplest explanation which accounts for the facts is probably true. The other is the supply of stupidity. Among humans, stupidity is far more common than malice.

Lastly, the idea that this was a plot requires an "anti-Rove" somewhere who worked out this Machiavellian plan, and then signed up assorted Democrat politicians to carry it out. Has anything in the Democrat's unbroken record of greater and greater defeats in all parts of government at all levels for 20 years (excepting only the Clintons personally) suggested that there is an anti-Rove and any such coordination?

Nope, I'm with Jim on this. No plot. Just an excess of stupidity in local and state officials. Followed by the standard ploy after the fact -- twist the facts, lie about the facts, invent some way to blame the Republicans. That's the simple explanation, which I think is true.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Constitution is Finished: Not the US One, the Atlanta One"

34 posted on 09/08/2005 12:59:20 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Mayor Nagin is personally responsible for 6 times the American deaths as the Iraq War.)
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To: advance_copy
advance_copy, i can incorporate some of your list into my theory (post #32).

1. The school/city buses stuck in the water
After revamping the school system, they were ticked off at Nagin. When Nagin called he got, "Sorry no one is here right now ...."

2. No evacuation of low areas all day Tuesday after the levee broke on Monday night
The levee broke because it was made of hollow concrete (like the Springfield's dam on the Simpsons). No evacuation because there's no one to drive them. Cops are busy with crowd control and hiding evidence, union drivers have their own evidence to burn. How many building burned?

3. Empty contraflow lanes next to packed outbound lanes
Seems not to be true, just no pics. Word is that this was going on, albiet late.

5. Failure to call evacuation 72 hours before the storm (standard)
*shrug*

6. Delays in asking for U.S. troops
7. 1/3 of a major city police force abandoning their post
See my post. #32 I believe that in one press conference a Guardsman or Military spokesman said the cops went from 1500 to 500. That's 2/3rds gone.

8. Convention Center never announced as an evacuation point
Without the cops or the Guard around it's hard to say. Had they been there it may have been used for a base or safe haven for themselves or a storehouse for supplies.

9. Two police suicides
10. All police radios down

The corrupt cops. Were they really suicides? Were these two officers hiding something they saw being exposed? Radios were down so the MIA cops could not be called from their evidence-burning and relocating of 'operations'.

And that's where the AK-47s came from. The drugs come in from Venezuala via Citgo. The cops & dealers & even the bus drivers peddle 'em. Blanco keeps the Feds out, occasionaly squandering money from the Feds to feed the operation. Jesse Jackson keeps the poor down by playing the race card. You need an inner city to hide the operation and provide plenty of customers.
35 posted on 09/08/2005 1:22:27 AM PDT by TheSpaceCoyote
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To: TheSpaceCoyote
Here's a cherry on top - Jesse Jackson was in Venezuela praising Chavez the day before the storm hit New Orleans:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1472375/posts
36 posted on 09/08/2005 1:28:06 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Congressman Billybob
There *is* an anti-Rove, per se, but he's been around for much longer than Rove has, and his job is not to counter Rove. He couldn't really care less about Rove. His job is much larger than that.

He's been advising the fanatical and deceived, putting ideas in their heads that they truly believe are their own, for quite some time. Centuries, really. He advised Marx, Hitler, Stalin, and every other monster who has tried to lead mankind down the path to hell. And he likewise advises all the folks who follow such monsters, or who lacking a monster to follow, follow the ideas. In our times, he advises folks like Bin Laden, who has inherited the mantle, as Bush pointed out after 9/11 when he spoke of terrorism and Muslim extremism as following on the heels of fascism and communism. He also advises many much closer to home, on our own soil.

This fellow has always been around, since before even mankind, and millions today still respond when they hear his voice, even if they aren't even aware of it themselves. And they go forth to carry out his plans and do his will. When they fail, and they always eventually do, he simply conscripts some other useful idiots, for there are always many, many to choose from.

This fellow is not of the flesh. I trust I don't need to actually identify him by name.

37 posted on 09/08/2005 1:28:49 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: laz

laz, you mean Dan Rather?


38 posted on 09/08/2005 1:47:46 AM PDT by TheSpaceCoyote
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To: TheSpaceCoyote
3. Empty contraflow lanes next to packed outbound lanes
Seems not to be true, just no pics. Word is that this was going on, albiet late.

Actually, WDSU has a weather cam focused on the mainland side of the Ponchartrain Causeway (http://www.wdsu.com/wxcam/1475332/detail.html). I was watching the camera through out the 28th of August, and the outbound lanes were bumper to bumper, while the lanes inbound to NOLA, were empty, with the exception of the occasional vehicle heading into the city. I was watching it to see how the weather was changing through out the day - didn't think to save any of the images though. In any case, the last time I checked the cam, traffice flow was still limited as it had been all day.

40 posted on 09/08/2005 2:05:45 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: TheSpaceCoyote
laz, you mean Dan Rather?

LOL. Nah, Rather's just a cheap imitation of the real thing. Like one of those very faint carbon copies.

41 posted on 09/08/2005 2:41:37 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: Echo Talon

Well the Governor and the mayor are not coming down alone. If there was any kind of orchestrated plan, heads are going to roll upward in Democratic circles.


42 posted on 09/08/2005 4:18:56 AM PDT by maxter
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To: Jim Robinson; All
Too complex... and too many people would be involved. Same problem with most conspiracy theories.

HOWEVER, I firmly believe that the state & local government of LA are squealling to cover their own massive corruption & criminal negligence.

In short, they were going to use ANY federal slip-up... actual or contrived, to cover their guilt.

43 posted on 09/08/2005 4:34:40 AM PDT by johnny7 (And now, little man, I give the watch to you.)
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To: laz

The mayor was supposed to have a command center. It didn't work because it lost power, including generators. I think that happened pretty early, as I recall him having to be called AT HOME on the Saturday night before the levees gave way. That, basically, left him without any control at all. Nagin has to take the blame for the lack of comm, because it was his responsibility. By the time the news got to him, he tried to defend himself by blaming others (Gov and Bush).

The Gov, IMO, would not have had the negative impact on the rescue effort, regardless of her confused political machinations, had the levees not ruptured. Had they not ruptured, the damage from the passed hurricane could have been addressed without much controversy, even if the Gov was an idiot (which she was).

Since no one knew the levees would break, IMO that takes away from the idea that the Gov and the Dems had a plan to trap Bush.

I actually had the same thought of your impeachment theory yesterday, pondered it some, and came to the conclusion that those folks were so far off base in their refusnik decisions, that to try to conjure up an impeachment from that would make them laughingstocks to the entire country.
It's not even an issue, IMO.

Just about all my info about NOLA has come from my reading here at FR, so I am deeply FReeped on the subject. Seems to me that the Gov is, or will be, defenseless whenever the investigation is conducted, which means W will come out, once again, shining. 8-)

Being saturated with FReep gives one a rosy outlook.


44 posted on 09/08/2005 4:43:31 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo
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To: Randi Papadoo
Since no one knew the levees would break, IMO that takes away from the idea that the Gov and the Dems had a plan to trap Bush.

Oh, they knew the levees wouldn't hold. That's been known for decades, that they wouldn't hold in the scenario that was taking shape over the weekend before Katrina's landfall. Scientists knew it, and politicians knew it. The Dems knew that unless Katrina deviated from her track, those levees would break or be overflowed.

The plan was concocted during that weekend. At that time, Katrina was becoming a Cat 5 and New Orleans was in her cross-hairs. The impact of the storm, at that time, was feared to be even greater than it eventually was when she dropped to a 4 and sideswiped NOLA. Blanco knew big devastation was coming, because Bush told her so when he called her to evacuate. So the Dems knew, 36 to 48 hours before landfall, that things would probably be very bad, that this was the big one. And despite knowing this, nothing was done that you would expect to be done by a city with roughly two days of opportunity to do them. And nothing was done because they concocted the plan when they decided NOLA would probably be lost.

They knew very well the levees wouldn't hold in a Cat 4 or 5, because they didn't take care of the levees and diverted the funds to other things. The levees weren't designed to handle above Cat 3, anyway. With Katrina bearing down on them over the weekend, and knowing the levees wouldn't hold and that they had failed to improve or maintain them, they wrote off NOLA.

Two days before landfall was the proverbial moment of truth. It was the moment when they had to accept the probability NOLA would be lost, and when they had to choose either to follow their disaster plan or do nothing. When you're on a sinking ship, what do you do? Sit on your hands and do nothing, or try to save as many people as possible? They chose to do nothing, for the reasons I have outlined. I imagine no one was more surprised than they when NOLA appeared to have "dodged the bullet". But as we have seen, NOLA was grazed by the bullet and slowly bled to death, and the plan, already in motion, simply picked up where it had left off.

45 posted on 09/08/2005 6:21:04 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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I'd like to see the phone logs and emails between the DNC and Blanco while all this was falling apart. I gotta feeling she was spending more time on the phone developing political strategy than cordinating with the Guard, FEMA and the Red Cross while people were dying.


46 posted on 09/08/2005 6:27:52 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: laz
to try to conjure up an impeachment from that would make them laughingstocks to the entire country

If the President had usurped the state's rights and overstepped his bounds, the Dems would have started impeachment and would have had the justification to do so. Why do you think Bush didn't do it? Why do you think he tolerated the roadblocks, which must have been maddening to do? They wouldn't have been a laughingstock; they'd have had the grounds to do it. Hell, even though he stayed within his bounds, they STILL have hopes of investigations and commissions leading up to an impeachment somehow. But they misunderestimated him once again. He saw the trap and refused to take the bait. They tried even harder, continuing to block aid while the false accusations continued to mount all week, and still he didn't step into the trap.

The Dems live solely for the opportunity to impeach him, as payback for their failing to steal the election in 2000, and as payback for the impeachment of the Bent One. How many times have they tried to set him up? I think I've lost count. Nothing has stuck, though. This time, they went very far out on the limb, and gambled much. It appears they have lost again. Like Wile E. Coyote, they never learn. The Roadrunner just keeps slipping out of their grasp.

47 posted on 09/08/2005 6:37:32 AM PDT by laz (They can bus 'em to the polls, but they can't bus 'em out of the path of a Cat 5 hurricane.)
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To: zot

When you’re in a state of shock over seeing something horrendous such as Katerina , your emotional reactions are overruled by rational faculties. In that state of mind, you just want answers — you don’t want to be bothered with the facts. So your brain can then be molded as the Left desires. This is the psychology used so effectively by Democrats throughout history, and that mentality is being exploited and manipulated by the mainstream media. Back-biting, playing the race card Liberals have become overnight experts on disaster rescue operations. WHY Ray Nagin ignored his own city’s disaster plan, as well as federal emergency declarations, and failed to evacuate those people in his city who needed help the most. I guess that’s just the sort of administration they are. Nagin, naturally, was lightning-quick to broadcast a foul-mouthed outburst against the federal government for his own incompetence. And the mainstream media is in full propagandist mode pursuing a line of irrational, counterproductive nonsense. They are trying to strike while most of the country is still in shock — when the most flagrant lies are easiest to pass off as truth. The Left, CNN, ABC and other main stream media’s accusations that " Bush denied poor blacks" are fed by images of the worst of the worst in this disaster and is being used by Democrats in their mission to undermine the President.
It's bad enough that New Orleans and a considerable stretch of the Gulf Coast got wiped out by Hurricane Katrina, without bringing the race card into play. Politics has no business playing a part in the suffering these people are going through, yet some are ready to jump on the bandwagon to make sure their party is next to occupy the White House.


48 posted on 09/08/2005 8:33:42 AM PDT by Gatorgranny
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To: Gatorgranny
The Left, CNN, ABC and other main stream media’s accusations that " Bush denied poor blacks" are fed by images of the worst of the worst in this disaster and is being used by Democrats in their mission to undermine the President. It's bad enough that New Orleans and a considerable stretch of the Gulf Coast got wiped out by Hurricane Katrina, without bringing the race card into play. Politics has no business playing a part in the suffering these people are going through, yet some are ready to jump on the bandwagon to make sure their party is next to occupy the White House.

Yes, I agree. That is the motivation behind all these attacks on President Bush and the federal response.

49 posted on 09/10/2005 4:22:43 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: Lancey Howard
I agree that it was not an evil plan to kill off thousands of New Orleans citizens and blame Bush.

However we have to distinguish conscious planning, such as might occur before a carefully executed Bank heist, and deeply flawed habits, goals and spirit.

The leftist 'Rats play on peoples fears and emotions. They instinctively blame the other guy for whatever they just did at the first sign of getting caught. They are corrupt to the core. They lie, cheat and steal out of habit. They build incompetent and bloated bureaucracies on great mountains of waste. They are more like gangs fighting turf wars than business executives. The profoundly flawed ideas behind socialism have found a fertile field in the human mind, a pox on humanity.

They way the 'Rats played their hand here simply represents who they are.

On another point, I like it that Bush has not publicly humiliated Blanco. His rule of thumb is you either remove someone, or you help them succeed. You for dang sure don't humiliate someone in public and then expect to be able to trust them. It was not his call to remove the Governor. So he is doing his best to help her succeed. A challenge if I do say so.

50 posted on 09/11/2005 11:44:15 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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