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Weird kid up a tree(vanity)
vanity | 11/21/2005 | drawsing

Posted on 11/21/2005 5:58:45 AM PST by Drawsing

Weird kid up a tree

I have seen people here come up with some good insights, so I thought I would take advantage of this forum to help me figure out the behavior of this weird kid.

Yesterday my two boys and I were getting ready to distribute our Boy Scout popcorn to the folks who had ordered it. We were still in the house and I heard the neighbor's dog barking and someone yelling "ShutUp!" very loud. It sounded like it was in my driveway, so I went out and looked, but saw nothing. A little bit later, one of my boys ran into the house and said, "Dad! There's a kid up in the magnolia tree spying on us. By the time I got out of the house this time, the kid was already out of the next door neighbor's magnolia tree and across the street. He was cutting across several neighbor's yards (we live in a subdivision) and looking back over his shoulder at me. I was surprised at his total disregard for property lines. I saw him peeking around the corner of one of my neighbor's houses at me. My younger 8 year old son said that he had tried talking to him, but the boy had pulled out a cell phone and started talking on it.

We loaded the popcorn into a wagon and went around the corner, but about five minutes later, we snuck back and sure enough, he was back up in the tree. I approached him from behind and spoke to him.

"Hey", I said.

"Hey" he said.

"What are you doing up there?" I said.

"Climbing a tree." he said.

"Do you live here?" I asked.

"Yes." he said.

"What are the people's names that live here?" I asked.

"Oh, Uh ....I don't mean I live right here. I live down the street in a cove." he said.

"Well", I said, "You shouldn't be climbing trees on other people's property."

"Uh huh." he said.

"What is your name?" I asked.

He told me his name.

"Well", I said, "I think you need to come on down and go home."

He climbed down slowly, then with a big attitude he shuffled down the street, again cutting directly through the neighbor's yards. All the while I had been talking with him, he did not look me in the eye, but was playing with some frilly rubber toy around his neck. We live in a decent neighborhood and he was dressed in clean, fairly nice clothes. He needed a haircut, but it was not too bad. He looked to be between 13 -15 years old. To summarize the weirdness: 1. Loud shouting while up in the tree. 2. Total disregard for property lines. 3. Returning to the same tree where he had been caught five minutes before. 5. Attempting a foolish lie about where he lived.

So what do you think? Should I expect some form of retaliation? Could I have handled this better? What is the matter with this kid?

Thanks.


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Thanks for any insights.
1 posted on 11/21/2005 5:58:46 AM PST by Drawsing
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To: Drawsing

Number 8 shot should work. Just remember to lead him.


2 posted on 11/21/2005 6:04:10 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Drawsing
This'll get him out of the tree for good.



3 posted on 11/21/2005 6:06:25 AM PST by BostonianRightist ("Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ~ Senator AuH2O)
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To: Drawsing

Sounds like a kid to me.


4 posted on 11/21/2005 6:07:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Just remember to lead him.

"How can you shoot women and children!?
Easy. You just don't lead 'em as much."

5 posted on 11/21/2005 6:07:50 AM PST by BostonianRightist ("Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ~ Senator AuH2O)
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To: Drawsing

What kid knows property lines or pays attention to them?

I'd let your neighbor know this kid was climbing his tree. If he has a problem with it than he can watch for the kid.


6 posted on 11/21/2005 6:11:04 AM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: BostonianRightist

"How can you shoot women and children!?
Easy. You just don't lead 'em as much."


LOL. I kept thinking of that line when all the liberal refugees were talking about fleeing to Canada after the election. The mental picture of Dick Cheney yelling that over his shoulder gave me a giggle every time.


7 posted on 11/21/2005 6:11:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Drawsing
This kid does sound weird. Maybe you can team up with your next door neighbors and find out where he lives, then have a talk with his parents. In the mean time, I'd install a camera outside, just in case. If there's a cop regularly patrolling the area, flag him down and tell him. He might have received the same complaint about this kid from others in the area. Who knows. Good luck.
8 posted on 11/21/2005 6:17:06 AM PST by Chong (God Bless America and Her Troops!)
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To: Drawsing

You signed up in 1998 just to post this? (just kidding! :-) )

Well, that is weird. I'm guessing that you had not seen this kid before, since you didn't say you had. I guess I would just make a point to watch closely for him, and try to observe him without being seen. Try to gather a little info about him - where he actually lives, etc. You said he gave you his name. If he gave you the last name, you might try "anywho.com" to see if a nearby address pops up.

With a kid that age, it really could be anything, running the full gamit from worst case jr. domestic terrorist to merely a hormone crazed, love-struck punk who is trying to spy on the little "hottie" acros the street.

Good luck.


9 posted on 11/21/2005 6:17:25 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof - usually by midmorning, or so.)
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To: Drawsing
Find out if the name he gave is real.

If real, contact his family. If fake, tell the cops and have them fill out a report.

One of the things that frequently happens when someone is being harassed and it goes to court is the harasser gets treated very lightly because the judge's attitude is: "You said this guy was bothering you for a while, but you never contacted the police until last week."

Get the paperwork done so if the kid gets more out of hand it's all documented.

If the name he gave is real, wait until you talk to the family. If the family are unresponsive when you contact them, go to the cops and have the paperwork done.

It sounds ridiculous to go through this, but the kid clearly has attitude/mental problems and as we know, 13-15 year olds can be as dangerous as adults or more so if they have a grudge and a weapon.

Also check the law and see what kind of action in defense of your property the law in your state authorizes.

10 posted on 11/21/2005 6:17:43 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: cripplecreek

Normal kids apologize when they are caught pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable.


11 posted on 11/21/2005 6:18:34 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Drawsing

I would have to assume the kid is a time traveler from an earlier time, say the forties where I grew up. Maybe my neighborhood was weird or maybe it was normal for the time, but every kid in that neighborhood behaved exactly as the kid you mention, except for the lying of course, that was not allowed.

The homes with the best climbing trees put up with the most kids-that's where we gathered often and enmasse.

Personally I don't believe the kid is a threat of any kind or will seek retaliation in any way. Just my opinion.


12 posted on 11/21/2005 6:19:04 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Even a WH pantry rat would be deemed a high ranking Admin Official by a clueless dung beetle Dem.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
merely a hormone crazed, love-struck punk who is trying to spy on the little "hottie" acros the street.

Hey, Mikey Skakel got his start this way.

13 posted on 11/21/2005 6:21:08 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Drawsing

Is this a joke? Please tell me it is.


14 posted on 11/21/2005 6:22:09 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

BTW - if you haven't already, ask your boys if they know him. If he does indeed live that close, he may go to the same school, and/or ride the same bus. They might be able to give you some clues.


15 posted on 11/21/2005 6:22:55 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof - usually by midmorning, or so.)
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To: Drawsing

Sounds to me like you were the Nazi Germans, and he was way out over enemy lines, and merely scouting you out, or at least that's how I would have thought at 8 or 10 years old.

When I was an 8 year old, the whole neighborhood was my yard. I didn't are about property lines, just finding the best spot for collecting acorns, or following my dog. The place was kind of Leave it to beaver-ish, with all the moms home and keeping an eye out for each others kids and all, but it was no big deal to climb someone elses tree, or hop in their pool if they were on vacation.

I knew everyone in the neighborhood. Most of them were my customers on my paper routes, or I nowed their lawn or blew theior leaves off in the fall or shovelled their driveway in the winter.

Why is it such a big deal if a kid is in another neighbors tree? Why would you even care. He wasn't doing anything especialy wrong. He was probably on a super important spy mission, or hunting terrorists in his own way. The imagination of a boy knows no bounds, especially some stupid arbitrary ( to a kid, anyway) property line.

If there were people in my neighborhood who got eggged on halloween, it was the busybody people who did what they could to stifle the development of a kid, and who had real wussy kids themselves. That's not to you are that way.


16 posted on 11/21/2005 6:23:09 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

true that


17 posted on 11/21/2005 6:24:11 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof - usually by midmorning, or so.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Hey, Mikey Skakel got his start this way.

Just don't play golf at midnight with the kid.

18 posted on 11/21/2005 6:24:12 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: wideawake

A normal adult doesn't go into a panic when a kid acts like a kid.


19 posted on 11/21/2005 6:28:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek
Anyone who messes around on my property and gives me attitude I consider to be a threat to my kids, and I will do anything and everything I need to do to protect them.

If 14 year old kids are capable of committing mass murder in today's society - and we both know they are - anyone who insists on the "Leave It To Beaver" approach is a fool.

I'm sure the Columbine mutants and the two teen psychopaths who chopped up that couple in VT were considered to be just kids being kids until the bodies piled up.

20 posted on 11/21/2005 6:38:02 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake

You have my deepest sympathies.


21 posted on 11/21/2005 6:39:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

...it was no big deal to climb someone elses tree, or hop in their pool if they were on vacation....

Ahh, the days before injury litigation while using some one else's property without permission.


22 posted on 11/21/2005 6:41:02 AM PST by Vor Lady (Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?)
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To: cripplecreek
In other words, you know I'm right, can't think of a counterargument and are pulling the old "I feel sorry for you routine."

Boring and pointless.

I'm going to guess that you don't have any kids.

23 posted on 11/21/2005 6:43:14 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake

Thanks for making the world an even suckier place for kids.

I beleive kids call people like you Sk8Nazi's


24 posted on 11/21/2005 6:45:57 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: cripplecreek

I just don't believe this guy is a full grown adult. But then again, I had neighbors like this who called the police if a kid walked across their front lawn.

btw, first law with teenagers: always be nice and make friends with them. Or else!


25 posted on 11/21/2005 6:48:00 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Thanks for making the world an even suckier place for kids.

"Suckier"? Are you 8 years old?

I don't care how "sucky" the world is for anybody as long as my family is safe.

I beleive kids call people like you Sk8Nazi's

I'm sure they do. Those kind of kids are the same useless, lazy morons who call the President "Bushitler" and who spend all their free time hanging out in parking lots doing Whip-its.

In other words, total losers whose opinions don't matter.

26 posted on 11/21/2005 6:52:07 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: bonfire
btw, first law with teenagers: always be nice and make friends with them. Or else!

In other words, let adolescents tell how you are allowed to behave instead of vice versa.

That's productive.

27 posted on 11/21/2005 6:54:54 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: bonfire

No it is not a joke. I grew up in the sixties surrounded by fields and woods to play in. I do feel sorry for kids who do not have what I had. But this kid's behavior and attitude was very odd. I guess it was the almost Tourette's-like shouting "Shutup!" and the insolent attitude that concerned me most.


28 posted on 11/21/2005 6:55:50 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Unauthorized tree climbing CAN be a gateway to depravity.

29 posted on 11/21/2005 6:58:18 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: wideawake

In other words: kids are kids. Your childhood must have been "sucky".


30 posted on 11/21/2005 6:59:11 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire

Sounds like the kid may be mildly retarded.


31 posted on 11/21/2005 6:59:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Drawsing

If you are really concerned this kid is a threat to your family, why didn't you call the police??


32 posted on 11/21/2005 7:00:39 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: cripplecreek

Wouldn't THAT be embarrassing?? :)


33 posted on 11/21/2005 7:01:06 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: wideawake

My aren't we amazingly judgemental of the kids.

Did you stay within property lines when you were a kid? I highly doubt it.


34 posted on 11/21/2005 7:03:04 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: Drawsing
Honestly, I would say he is being an 8 year old kid. Curious about the world and those around him. He might have seen you guys loading the popcorn and wanted to see more but was too shy to just walk up and ask whats up.

He probably just became embarrassed when you saw that he was there.

I doubt there would be retaliation or anything from this child.
35 posted on 11/21/2005 7:04:14 AM PST by A message
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LMAO, that story was whacked!


36 posted on 11/21/2005 7:04:23 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: bonfire

We had a retarded adult living in my town for the first twenty years of my life. All the little kids played in the park with him. A real ox of a man but about as dangerous as a butterfly. The whole town knew him.

There were a few biggots around who would whisper "You never know what (those people) are capable of."


37 posted on 11/21/2005 7:08:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek

My best friend's daughter has Down's. I know exactly what you are talking about.


38 posted on 11/21/2005 7:12:26 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: bonfire
My childhood was just fine.

Played a lot of stickball and street hockey, had fun summer vacations with my friends and siblings and parents, worked a bunch of different jobs, did well in school and never really developed a taste for trespassing on other people's property or mouthing off to grownups.

"Kids are kids" is not only a meaningless tautology but it isn't even an argument. I remember years back when I was working as a doorman to put myself through college, and one of my coworkers' teenage sons was arrested for breaking into some cars and stealing radios.

His response was "what a headache, but kids are going to be kids" and most of my coworkers nodded in agreement. No wonder they had no dreams for their kids with that attitude.

Smashing into people's cars isn't acceptable, trespassing on someone's property and then mouthing off at them when they object isn't acceptable and "kids are kids" is the worst copout I've ever heard.

My dad worked hard to teach us to be honest, hardworking individuals. Mouthing off to someone after you trespassed on their property is something my dad would never have stood for.

39 posted on 11/21/2005 7:15:32 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake

Oh my dad would have scared the living daylights out of them.

I guess that's my point: if this kid was so BAD, why is this guy wringing his hands?


40 posted on 11/21/2005 7:18:07 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Drawsing

This is so sad. Good heavens, sounds like just a normal kid to me being a kid.

All this worry about property lines...I don't get it. Probably why neighbors don't visit anymore. Every one's worried about people coming into their space. Geez... When i was a kid we went everywhere around our neighborhood except where there were fences. We climbed any tree that was climbable, we would swing in any swingset not in a fence. People didn't care. People enjoyed watching kids play. Kids didn't have to turn in to sneaky criminals to climb a tree. As long as no damage was being done to property No one cared.

Lighten up.

Becky


41 posted on 11/21/2005 7:21:09 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Did you stay within property lines when you were a kid? I highly doubt it.

Since my neighbors and I all knew each other and all our parents knew each other we freely hung out on each others' property.

The only time I spent as a kid on anyone's property whom I didn't know was to retrieve some balls and pucks from time to time from people who were known not to return found objects if you asked them.

In my urban neighborhood there really was no reason to spend time on a stranger's property unless you wanted to steal something - no inviting streams or woods or rock formations or anything like that.

Just poured concrete and tomato patches.

42 posted on 11/21/2005 7:23:53 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
Normal kids apologize when they are caught pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable.

If they know what boundaries are, yes. Some don't.

43 posted on 11/21/2005 7:24:19 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: wideawake

Dang, we spent hours and hours sitting up in trees. The world looked so "forever and ever" from up there :)


44 posted on 11/21/2005 7:25:20 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: wideawake
Since my neighbors and I all knew each other and all our parents knew each other we freely hung out on each others' property.

Exactly, and most likely the parents got to know each other thru the kids coming into each others spaces.

I don't see anything wrong with drawstring finding out where this kid came from and introducing themselves to them. But to act like the kid was a criminal because he was up a tree not on his property and walking across others property, is just a bit extreme.

Becky

45 posted on 11/21/2005 7:28:10 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: wideawake

Your points are much more understandable coming from a city kid.


46 posted on 11/21/2005 7:28:40 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

We climbed fences, jumped over them & ran through all of the yards-- no one cared. We were just being kids, and, unlike kids today, NONE of us were even slightly plump -- all that running, climbing and jumping was hard work.


47 posted on 11/21/2005 7:30:41 AM PST by walden
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To: wideawake

It doesn't sound like to me this kid was being a smart mouth. He answered all the questions asked. (now granted I am not able to judge his tone). A kid being a smart mouth wouldn't have answered. And as far as his answer to do you live here, I don't think his first answer was an out ant out lie. He lived in the neighborhood so he lived there from a kids prespective.

Becky


48 posted on 11/21/2005 7:32:40 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: bonfire
Well now we're hearing that the kid may have developmental issues, which is a totally different story.

There's a retarded teen in my neighborhood who once came to my door offering to sell my wife a set of kitchen knives which had clearly been well, well used.

My wife politely declined and he must have just tossed the knives all over my lawn in a moment of frustration, because my daughter and I found them the next morning.

I found out later he'd been going door to door trying to sell them all over my neighborhood that day - I guess he just totally gave up after my wife said no.

Anyway, I went and asked his mom if she was missing any knives and she was confused - then she told me that his latest thing was looking through people's garbage to find salvageable stuff he thought he could sell.

I guess my point is, if it were a developmentally normal teen who pulled that little stunt I would have been extremely concerned, but in this kid's case I knew he was just trying to do a little business.

Thus my advice to the guy who started the thread - talk to the parents first, police second.

49 posted on 11/21/2005 7:33:58 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: walden

Once we knew someone didn't care if we went in a fenced yard (and I can't remember one we couldn't go in:), we did that too. I really feel for kids now a days.

Becky


50 posted on 11/21/2005 7:34:42 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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