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VIRGIN MARY DEFILED ON “SOUTH PARK”
Catholic League ^ | December 8, 2005 | William Donohue

Posted on 12/09/2005 5:50:13 AM PST by NYer

Catholic League president Bill Donohue remarked today about last night’s episode of “South Park” (it will run again for the next three nights):

 

“A ‘South Park’ character gets a DWI and is ordered to attend AA meetings.  Told about the 12-step program, he concludes that he needs a miracle to cure him.  The plot then focuses on a statue of the Virgin Mary who is ‘bleeding out her ass.’  The Vatican dispatches a cardinal to investigate and he is sprayed with blood when he walks behind the statue.  He then declares this to be a miracle, which draws even more people.  The alcoholic, now in a wheelchair, is also sprayed with blood: he then claims he is cured and jumps out of his seat.

 

“Pope Benedict XVI goes to investigate.  He, too, is sprayed with blood when he walks behind the statue.  A reporter says, ‘The pope investigated further and determined that the statue was not bleeding out its ass, but its vagina.’  To which the pope replies: ‘A chick bleeding out her vagina is no miracle.  Chicks bleed out their vaginas all the time.’

 

“Comedy Central is a subsidiary of MTV, which is owned by Viacom.  On the board of directors of Viacom is a practicing Catholic and a distinguished public servant, Joseph A. Califano; he served under Presidents Johnson and Carter.  We are writing to him today requesting that he intervene in this matter.  We want a) an apology to Roman Catholics and b) a pledge that this episode be permanently retired and not be made available on DVD.  In the event Viacom does not cooperate, we are asking Mr. Califano to issue his own statement of condemnation.  We are asking our members to contact him as well.  Remember, they chose to insult Our Blessed Mother on the eve of the Immaculate Conception, and the holy day itself

“Joseph A. Califano is chairman of the board of The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse.  He can be reached at CASA, 633 Third Avenue, NY, NY 10017; phone, 212-841-5200; fax, 212-956-8020; email, employment@casacolumbia.org.”


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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Does that mean no?


352 posted on 12/09/2005 8:30:50 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: EveningStar
Where were the complaints whe Cartman needed to be res-erected when Stan's dad needed a new erection?


353 posted on 12/09/2005 8:31:39 AM PST by mnehring (Peace Activism is an Oxymoron.)
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To: NYer

The very first South Park episode insulted Christ. Were they outraged then?


354 posted on 12/09/2005 8:31:40 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: NYer

I think this is over the top. I don't mind a little good natured teasing of Catholicism or some other religion, but this goes beyond the pale.

For instance, I would have mixed feelings about the Life of Brian. You can take it as blasphemous, or you can take it as what happens when someone is put into the position of the Messiah but unforunately doesn't qualify. But I can't think of any excuses or explanations for what is described here.


355 posted on 12/09/2005 8:31:53 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: stuartcr
Does that mean no?

I take it you're a pagan?

I'm not.

356 posted on 12/09/2005 8:32:04 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: mnehrling

I never saw that episode. If I had, I would have ceased watching the show sooner.


357 posted on 12/09/2005 8:32:24 AM PST by TheStickman
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To: eyespysomething
Suppose they were to depict someone tearing pages from a Koran and using them to wipe their butts. If they do that I will hold the coat of a Muslim who cuts their throats.

HOLY COW!

358 posted on 12/09/2005 8:33:00 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: NYer

While I find what they did on the show disgusting and blasphemous, the Catholic Church leaves itself wide open to this when it passively promotes the idea that God speaks through toast, dirty windows, and trees. Miracles in the bible usually had a point, they weren't meaningless gimmicks happening every week or two. I don't recall numerous stories of the image of Moses, Elijah, or Mary appearing in Biblical oatmeal for little discernable reason.


359 posted on 12/09/2005 8:33:06 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: IronJack

But according to 12 step it's the only way that works and that simply isn't the case.

I don't think there's anything to look past, the fact that AA insist all addiction is a disease and their approach is the only one possible does give it a cult like quality. And that right there is a well for satire, if you're going to satirize something you generally don't go past the funniest layer.


360 posted on 12/09/2005 8:34:06 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, I was just asking for an answer that was clear.

How did you come to think I was a pagan?


361 posted on 12/09/2005 8:34:17 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: IronJack
I'm a little confused as to how you can say that the program was irrelevant, when the people who actually experienced it differ.

Because on the larger scale, people are more likely to quit alcohol by themselves than with AA. This discredits the claim that AA is somehow more effective than getting no treatment.

OTOH, if AA actually does work for certain people, that's great. I do not favor abolishing AA, but the attitude that it's the only way (you may not think it, but that's the way it's preached), and how it's hyped as the best way to quit drinking is false.

On a personal level, I disagree with the basic tenets, which is that one is powerless to change himself, when it is exactly personal power over his life that he needs. The "alcohol is a disease" angle also pisses me off. As Stan said, cancer is a disease, just stop drinking. If you need help, fine, but you don't have a disease.

It could also be related to the fact that AA is religious proselytization in the guise of treatment.

362 posted on 12/09/2005 8:34:24 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: NYer

This what you get with "conservatives" for whom culture war holds no meaning.


363 posted on 12/09/2005 8:35:30 AM PST by wardaddy (A Christian President whom I like who would say Christmas on his cards is all I ask for.)
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To: Alouette

"Jewlliard" was not about making fun of yeshiva, but making fun of Jon Edward and the people who believed that he really could channel their loved ones."

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That was one of my favorite episodes... as I recall Edrwards got the "Biggest Douhce in the Universe" award or something.


364 posted on 12/09/2005 8:35:31 AM PST by Bones75
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To: SevenofNine
You won't see them trash the Koran


365 posted on 12/09/2005 8:35:58 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: RobbyS

My point is, isn't calling all priests pedophile and having Pope John Paul II depicted as a babbling idiot didn't cross the line??

SP "crosses the line" all the time. I'm surprised when they don't cross the line.


367 posted on 12/09/2005 8:37:45 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: SunnySide
South Park panders to the most devolved human minds on earth.

Actually, it's rather sophisticated humor with a bawdy polish. Often its' complexity is lost on simple minds.
368 posted on 12/09/2005 8:38:18 AM PST by BJClinton
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Do they realize that South Park insults EVERY religion?

Oh, so that makes it OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

369 posted on 12/09/2005 8:40:16 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Blzbba

And don't forget that they always satire Christmas. Remember the one from last year with the woodland animals wanting a virgin birth Savior of their own so they could have Christmas? One of the kids thought it was real cute and helped them out and then learned that their saviour was really the anit-christ.


370 posted on 12/09/2005 8:40:53 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: HostileTerritory
They hit the Catholic church years ago over the pedophile issue. It was a funny episode and did not draw much ire because, I think, it attacked the Church and the men only not God, Jesus or the Virgin Mary.

I did not see this episode and I am sure it was in bad taste but I just don't get the Catholic obsession with Mary? I have heard more catholics utter the name of Jesus as a frustrated explicative but somehow Mary to them is untouchable..

371 posted on 12/09/2005 8:41:54 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: SittinYonder
Suppose they were to depict someone tearing pages from a Koran and using them to wipe their butts. If they do that I will hold the coat of a Muslim who cuts their throats.

HOLY COW IS RIGHT!

And that person is talking only depiction! (post #351)

372 posted on 12/09/2005 8:42:00 AM PST by eyespysomething (http://members.cox.net/transam57/lights.wmv)
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To: wardaddy

Robert Bork made a case for "censorship" and standards particularly with BROADcasts. He is not a man of few words but his arguments were very strong.


373 posted on 12/09/2005 8:42:34 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: RobbyS
It is called crossing a line. Suppose they were to depict someone tearing pages from a Koran and using them to wipe their butts. If they do that I will hold the coat of a Muslim who cuts their throats.

I think you're impersonating a Christian. The Bible mocks both idol worshipers and pagans.

You've crossed a line. Killing people for mocking false religion in both anti-Christian and anti-American.

374 posted on 12/09/2005 8:43:40 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Sam Cree

How many people objected to the strange, chimera-like appearance God has in South park?


375 posted on 12/09/2005 8:44:17 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Blzbba; IronJack
" The alcoholic who just stops drinking -- South Park's simplistic "solution" to Stan Marsh's imaginary problem -- is just a dry drunk, a relapse waiting to happen. For the solution to be permanent and effective, there are 11 more steps to go through, and dodging accountability is absolute anathema to that process."

I agree with Blzbba's post - seems to me I read a study somewhere that the people least likely to revert to alcoholism are the ones who just decided to stop drinking. The ones in programs (any of them) are the ones who tend more to go back to the booze.

376 posted on 12/09/2005 8:44:18 AM PST by Spyder
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Miracles in the bible usually had a point, they weren't meaningless gimmicks happening every week or two.

Logan is a miracle!

377 posted on 12/09/2005 8:44:59 AM PST by eyespysomething (http://members.cox.net/transam57/lights.wmv)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Oops - should have read yours before posting mine. I agree, obviously.


378 posted on 12/09/2005 8:45:29 AM PST by Spyder
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To: RobbyS
If they do that I will hold the coat of a Muslim who cuts their throats.

My word! Aren't your 'principles' easily bought!

379 posted on 12/09/2005 8:45:32 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Blzbba
I believe it was the Mormons who have the right beliefs and the only ones allowed in heaven. Which was a direct 'apology' of sorts for the hilarious satire of the Mormon faith from an earlier episode.

And after that Saddam Hussein gets sent to Heaven because he was too much trouble for Hell. That freaks him out when the Mormon take him to a cookie bake. Then, in a later episode, Saddam consripts the Mormons into making WMD's in Heaven and the U.S. is ready to bomb!

380 posted on 12/09/2005 8:46:58 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Flavius Josephus
This was on the Feast of the Virgin Mary, a Holy Day of Obligation when Catholics are required to go to Mass, so it really is horribly offensive, but I've laughed when they've insulted others so I'm not going to get in a bunch about this. Dish and take, that's what makes the world go round.

This was the point I was trying to make. I don't care for when they bash my faith, but they're pretty much an equal opportunity offender...and it's a sure bet that they're not going to apologize.

BEsides the IDolators that flock to any percieived image of the virgin are really over the top and give Catholics a bad name and that's the crowd they were going after primarily, even though it splashed on all.

I'm often surprised at the vigor that some defend the flocking to idols of various sorts that some catholics I've encountered employ.

381 posted on 12/09/2005 8:47:04 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: NYer

Can you imagine the reaction if the Koran or Muhammad had been defiled or even remotely criticized?


382 posted on 12/09/2005 8:47:15 AM PST by quadrant
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To: doc30
Remember the one from last year with the woodland animals wanting a virgin birth Savior of their own so they could have Christmas? One of the kids thought it was real cute and helped them out and then learned that their saviour was really the anit-christ.

But again it raised moral questions. For a show that has been pretty consistantly anti-bortion, it presented as praiseworthy the mountian lion cubs learning how to abort the Antichrist.

383 posted on 12/09/2005 8:47:42 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: Quick1
Are you sure you didn't mean to type www.democraticunderground.com in your web browser? I always thought that was the home for the thought police and the chronically offended.

Sadly, ever since the Terri Schiavo episode, FR has become home for thought police as much as any Democrat site. If you don't spew their single-issue line, you're obviously not good enough to be a Republican /sarcasm.

384 posted on 12/09/2005 8:48:00 AM PST by Spyder
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To: dfwgator

There was definitely an implied insult to Mary, and the Catholic church: the statue did not "appear" to bleed, it spouted blood profusely, with farting noises, into the face of the pope.


385 posted on 12/09/2005 8:49:01 AM PST by LiveBait
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To: TC Rider
As I recall, a first order relic would be a piece of the true cross, his robe, the shroud of Turin, etc. A second order relic would be something associated with Mary. A church in Rome supposedly has some of Mary's breast milk in a reliquary. Third order relics are objects that have been touched or in close proximity to first order relics. They tend to abound in Italy.

A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.

Thus, the cross should technically be a second-order relic, the Shroud of Turin third-order.

386 posted on 12/09/2005 8:49:05 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

THat goes to the heart of what Stan said in the episode about drinking alcohol. Either too much drinking or no drinking at al are both unnatural extremes. He quotes his karate teacher and said his dad needed "disiprine." I agree. It is a matter of self discipline and that is something that, today, many people lack.


387 posted on 12/09/2005 8:50:17 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: quadrant
Can you imagine the reaction if the Koran or Muhammad had been defiled or even remotely criticized?

What's shocking to me is that at post 382 you're the first person to bring that up. Do you imagine they're too scared to insult the Koran or Mohammud? Or are they just too PC?

388 posted on 12/09/2005 8:50:49 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: mnehrling

Kyle actually did have the Jew gold.


389 posted on 12/09/2005 8:51:46 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ConservativeGreek
"Love SouthPark. The Virgin part of this episode was over the top. I'm not Catholic, but found it unwatchable."

My sentiments exactly. Love the show but changed the channel at that point.

390 posted on 12/09/2005 8:52:26 AM PST by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, Bama...Banana Rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: Revelation 911

bttt


391 posted on 12/09/2005 8:52:35 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: LiveBait
There was definitely an implied insult to Mary,

I'll ask you since the other one is now off holding someone's coat ... What was the insult to the Virgin Mary?

392 posted on 12/09/2005 8:53:59 AM PST by SittinYonder (Flea, feather, bird, egg, nest, twig, branch, limb, tree, and the bog down in the valley - o.)
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To: SittinYonder

I think it was brought up earlier in the thread somewhere.

Are you sure they don't insult Islam or Mohammed? What about Team America?


393 posted on 12/09/2005 8:55:25 AM PST by eyespysomething (http://members.cox.net/transam57/lights.wmv)
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To: reagan_fanatic
"Still waiting for the episode where they wipe their @ss with the koran and show Mohammed taking it up the tailpipe from satan."

You didn't see the Osama Bin Laden episode?

394 posted on 12/09/2005 8:55:51 AM PST by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, Bama...Banana Rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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To: antiRepublicrat; TC Rider
A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.

Note to self: Religion - freaky

395 posted on 12/09/2005 8:56:16 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Internet chat forums are like private clubs. Ridiculing religious beliefs (veiled as satire) on public TV is different.


396 posted on 12/09/2005 8:56:17 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: ctdonath2

You have a good point. Jesus is portrayed regularly as a minor character with a barely watched call-in show on cable community access.


397 posted on 12/09/2005 8:57:15 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

The Virgin Mary is the mother of God. It has nothing to do with being Catholic. South Park is insulting God's mother


398 posted on 12/09/2005 8:57:21 AM PST by janeb (jane b)
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To: LiveBait
" the statue did not "appear" to bleed, it spouted blood profusely, with farting noises, into the face of the pope."

As a Roman Catholic (and not a watcher of South Park), I have just one thing to say...That sounds like a hoot!

399 posted on 12/09/2005 8:57:21 AM PST by wireman
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To: dfwgator

I'm Christian but not Catholic and it was definitely an insult to Mary to have her bleeding "OUT OF HER ASS", which they repeated over and over.

The people who replied that it wasn't an insult are flat out wrong.


400 posted on 12/09/2005 8:59:06 AM PST by subterfuge (Obama, mo mama...er Osama-La bamba, uh, Bama...Banana Rama...URP!---Ted Kennedy)
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