Skip to comments.VIRGIN MARY DEFILED ON “SOUTH PARK”
Posted on 12/09/2005 5:50:13 AM PST by NYer
Catholic League president Bill Donohue remarked today about last nights episode of South Park (it will run again for the next three nights):
A South Park character gets a DWI and is ordered to attend AA meetings. Told about the 12-step program, he concludes that he needs a miracle to cure him. The plot then focuses on a statue of the Virgin Mary who is bleeding out her ass. The Vatican dispatches a cardinal to investigate and he is sprayed with blood when he walks behind the statue. He then declares this to be a miracle, which draws even more people. The alcoholic, now in a wheelchair, is also sprayed with blood: he then claims he is cured and jumps out of his seat.
Pope Benedict XVI goes to investigate. He, too, is sprayed with blood when he walks behind the statue. A reporter says, The pope investigated further and determined that the statue was not bleeding out its ass, but its vagina. To which the pope replies: A chick bleeding out her vagina is no miracle. Chicks bleed out their vaginas all the time.
Comedy Central is a subsidiary of MTV, which is owned by Viacom. On the board of directors of Viacom is a practicing Catholic and a distinguished public servant, Joseph A. Califano; he served under Presidents Johnson and Carter. We are writing to him today requesting that he intervene in this matter. We want a) an apology to Roman Catholics and b) a pledge that this episode be permanently retired and not be made available on DVD. In the event Viacom does not cooperate, we are asking Mr. Califano to issue his own statement of condemnation. We are asking our members to contact him as well. Remember, they chose to insult Our Blessed Mother on the eve of the Immaculate Conception, and the holy day itself.
Joseph A. Califano is chairman of the board of The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. He can be reached at CASA, 633 Third Avenue, NY, NY 10017; phone, 212-841-5200; fax, 212-956-8020; email, email@example.com.
Does that mean no?
The very first South Park episode insulted Christ. Were they outraged then?
I think this is over the top. I don't mind a little good natured teasing of Catholicism or some other religion, but this goes beyond the pale.
For instance, I would have mixed feelings about the Life of Brian. You can take it as blasphemous, or you can take it as what happens when someone is put into the position of the Messiah but unforunately doesn't qualify. But I can't think of any excuses or explanations for what is described here.
I take it you're a pagan?
I never saw that episode. If I had, I would have ceased watching the show sooner.
While I find what they did on the show disgusting and blasphemous, the Catholic Church leaves itself wide open to this when it passively promotes the idea that God speaks through toast, dirty windows, and trees. Miracles in the bible usually had a point, they weren't meaningless gimmicks happening every week or two. I don't recall numerous stories of the image of Moses, Elijah, or Mary appearing in Biblical oatmeal for little discernable reason.
But according to 12 step it's the only way that works and that simply isn't the case.
I don't think there's anything to look past, the fact that AA insist all addiction is a disease and their approach is the only one possible does give it a cult like quality. And that right there is a well for satire, if you're going to satirize something you generally don't go past the funniest layer.
No, I was just asking for an answer that was clear.
How did you come to think I was a pagan?
Because on the larger scale, people are more likely to quit alcohol by themselves than with AA. This discredits the claim that AA is somehow more effective than getting no treatment.
OTOH, if AA actually does work for certain people, that's great. I do not favor abolishing AA, but the attitude that it's the only way (you may not think it, but that's the way it's preached), and how it's hyped as the best way to quit drinking is false.
On a personal level, I disagree with the basic tenets, which is that one is powerless to change himself, when it is exactly personal power over his life that he needs. The "alcohol is a disease" angle also pisses me off. As Stan said, cancer is a disease, just stop drinking. If you need help, fine, but you don't have a disease.
It could also be related to the fact that AA is religious proselytization in the guise of treatment.
This what you get with "conservatives" for whom culture war holds no meaning.
"Jewlliard" was not about making fun of yeshiva, but making fun of Jon Edward and the people who believed that he really could channel their loved ones."
That was one of my favorite episodes... as I recall Edrwards got the "Biggest Douhce in the Universe" award or something.
My point is, isn't calling all priests pedophile and having Pope John Paul II depicted as a babbling idiot didn't cross the line??
SP "crosses the line" all the time. I'm surprised when they don't cross the line.
Oh, so that makes it OK. Thanks for clearing that up.
And don't forget that they always satire Christmas. Remember the one from last year with the woodland animals wanting a virgin birth Savior of their own so they could have Christmas? One of the kids thought it was real cute and helped them out and then learned that their saviour was really the anit-christ.
I did not see this episode and I am sure it was in bad taste but I just don't get the Catholic obsession with Mary? I have heard more catholics utter the name of Jesus as a frustrated explicative but somehow Mary to them is untouchable..
HOLY COW IS RIGHT!
And that person is talking only depiction! (post #351)
Robert Bork made a case for "censorship" and standards particularly with BROADcasts. He is not a man of few words but his arguments were very strong.
I think you're impersonating a Christian. The Bible mocks both idol worshipers and pagans.
You've crossed a line. Killing people for mocking false religion in both anti-Christian and anti-American.
How many people objected to the strange, chimera-like appearance God has in South park?
I agree with Blzbba's post - seems to me I read a study somewhere that the people least likely to revert to alcoholism are the ones who just decided to stop drinking. The ones in programs (any of them) are the ones who tend more to go back to the booze.
Logan is a miracle!
Oops - should have read yours before posting mine. I agree, obviously.
My word! Aren't your 'principles' easily bought!
And after that Saddam Hussein gets sent to Heaven because he was too much trouble for Hell. That freaks him out when the Mormon take him to a cookie bake. Then, in a later episode, Saddam consripts the Mormons into making WMD's in Heaven and the U.S. is ready to bomb!
This was the point I was trying to make. I don't care for when they bash my faith, but they're pretty much an equal opportunity offender...and it's a sure bet that they're not going to apologize.
BEsides the IDolators that flock to any percieived image of the virgin are really over the top and give Catholics a bad name and that's the crowd they were going after primarily, even though it splashed on all.
I'm often surprised at the vigor that some defend the flocking to idols of various sorts that some catholics I've encountered employ.
Can you imagine the reaction if the Koran or Muhammad had been defiled or even remotely criticized?
But again it raised moral questions. For a show that has been pretty consistantly anti-bortion, it presented as praiseworthy the mountian lion cubs learning how to abort the Antichrist.
Sadly, ever since the Terri Schiavo episode, FR has become home for thought police as much as any Democrat site. If you don't spew their single-issue line, you're obviously not good enough to be a Republican /sarcasm.
There was definitely an implied insult to Mary, and the Catholic church: the statue did not "appear" to bleed, it spouted blood profusely, with farting noises, into the face of the pope.
A first-order relic is an actual piece of a saint (or Christ, if one existed). A second-order relic is something the saint or Christ wore or used during his lifetime. A third-order relic is something that has touched a first- or second-order relic.
Thus, the cross should technically be a second-order relic, the Shroud of Turin third-order.
THat goes to the heart of what Stan said in the episode about drinking alcohol. Either too much drinking or no drinking at al are both unnatural extremes. He quotes his karate teacher and said his dad needed "disiprine." I agree. It is a matter of self discipline and that is something that, today, many people lack.
What's shocking to me is that at post 382 you're the first person to bring that up. Do you imagine they're too scared to insult the Koran or Mohammud? Or are they just too PC?
Kyle actually did have the Jew gold.
My sentiments exactly. Love the show but changed the channel at that point.
I'll ask you since the other one is now off holding someone's coat ... What was the insult to the Virgin Mary?
I think it was brought up earlier in the thread somewhere.
Are you sure they don't insult Islam or Mohammed? What about Team America?
You didn't see the Osama Bin Laden episode?
Note to self: Religion - freaky
Internet chat forums are like private clubs. Ridiculing religious beliefs (veiled as satire) on public TV is different.
You have a good point. Jesus is portrayed regularly as a minor character with a barely watched call-in show on cable community access.
The Virgin Mary is the mother of God. It has nothing to do with being Catholic. South Park is insulting God's mother
As a Roman Catholic (and not a watcher of South Park), I have just one thing to say...That sounds like a hoot!
I'm Christian but not Catholic and it was definitely an insult to Mary to have her bleeding "OUT OF HER ASS", which they repeated over and over.
The people who replied that it wasn't an insult are flat out wrong.
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