Skip to comments.VIRGIN MARY DEFILED ON “SOUTH PARK”
Posted on 12/09/2005 5:50:13 AM PST by NYer
Catholic League president Bill Donohue remarked today about last nights episode of South Park (it will run again for the next three nights):
A South Park character gets a DWI and is ordered to attend AA meetings. Told about the 12-step program, he concludes that he needs a miracle to cure him. The plot then focuses on a statue of the Virgin Mary who is bleeding out her ass. The Vatican dispatches a cardinal to investigate and he is sprayed with blood when he walks behind the statue. He then declares this to be a miracle, which draws even more people. The alcoholic, now in a wheelchair, is also sprayed with blood: he then claims he is cured and jumps out of his seat.
Pope Benedict XVI goes to investigate. He, too, is sprayed with blood when he walks behind the statue. A reporter says, The pope investigated further and determined that the statue was not bleeding out its ass, but its vagina. To which the pope replies: A chick bleeding out her vagina is no miracle. Chicks bleed out their vaginas all the time.
Comedy Central is a subsidiary of MTV, which is owned by Viacom. On the board of directors of Viacom is a practicing Catholic and a distinguished public servant, Joseph A. Califano; he served under Presidents Johnson and Carter. We are writing to him today requesting that he intervene in this matter. We want a) an apology to Roman Catholics and b) a pledge that this episode be permanently retired and not be made available on DVD. In the event Viacom does not cooperate, we are asking Mr. Califano to issue his own statement of condemnation. We are asking our members to contact him as well. Remember, they chose to insult Our Blessed Mother on the eve of the Immaculate Conception, and the holy day itself.
Joseph A. Califano is chairman of the board of The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. He can be reached at CASA, 633 Third Avenue, NY, NY 10017; phone, 212-841-5200; fax, 212-956-8020; email, firstname.lastname@example.org.
Come on, that is a lame grievance.
Lets move on to the feats of strength! Best 2 of 3 falls! After that we can jump in the pool and see who can handle the cold weather!
I'm looking for a good sized pole, can't be too flashy or commercialized.
If you're the type to think a bleeding statue will cure disease, and you'd wait in line to pray to it.... then yes... you're the reaction that they, and many of us, find humor in. :~D
Now who is the one jumping to conclusions? Now we've moved on to HEALING BY STATUES? I know you're trying real hard to deny MY point by insulting me, but I think you know exactly what I'm saying about this and you just don't want to give it any weight. But others who read this may.
Those people who would flock to a bleeding statue or some other apparition of Mary in mold on a window, or in a piece of toast, are the only target for mocking in the episode.
If you don't like the show, that's fine... Matt and Trey will still eat tonight. I am merely correcting errors of fact that you, and others were making, in describing a show you haven't even watched.
You naughty Question_Assumptions. See the firestorm you created with just one little opinion? Good work.
You were the 20th person to suggest it, and you were all wrong. :~D LOL The response to you indicating you were was dripping with sarcasm along the lines of "Here we go again"!
It worked well for those of us who did :~D
That's the thing. Sometimes you have to actually participate in order to understand the jokes :~D
Well that shows you've never watched an episode. Chef turns to Islam in Chef Goes Nanners (season 4) and then turns back IIRC. Matt and Trey make fun of anybody and everybody. The episode with Osama Bin Laden comes to mind as well
But that is NOT what the argument is about. You clearly miss the point, that being that this statue is representative of the very real Virgin Mary, and for the sake of a few laughs at those who might "flock to a bleeding statue or a piece of toast", by showing blood pouring out of various orifices (whether statue or not), indicates a presence of sacrilege. And that's NOT NICE. And those who find the South Park episode/segment to be over the line have a right to feel that way, whether you miss their point or not. And you DO, and you ARE. Additionally, based on the various posts of others concerning this, including yours, is it really necessary for me to actually SEE the segment (we're not talking Gone With the Wind here, are we?) to offer an intelligent argument against ONE thing in it? I didn't realize we were talking about the entire series, were we?
Well that shows you haven't read the whole thread.
Don't take my word for it. ... I'm kidding. You weren't the first. ;-)
Yes, they have. Muhammed was depicted as one of the Super Best Friends in the episode of that name. During season 5, IIRC.
The answer is they have. Many times. Not only in South Park, but in the movie Team America, they have made fun of the crazy elements of Islam and of characters like Osama Bin Laden.... not the religion, per se, but the nutty fringes of it and the things people DO. Which is really their point. They aren't making fun of the Catholic faith, or God, in this episode, they're making fun of people who believe in apparitions of Mary being real or having any healing or curative power if you pray to them. They assert that they are fake and that people are foolish to believe in them. And they do it in somewhat vivid and funny ways.
I looked at my festivus pole, and I saw the image of finely machined aluminium alloys. It was a miracle! I went out and bought some green and red peppers to celebrate!
You contradict yourself
You have condemned both the show and the viewers. Thought you were a bit harsh on the audience.
My sentiments exactly. Love the show but changed the channel at that point.
Yeah, it was creepy. Never felt that way with the program's attack before. This was "humorless."
Good and most-relevant post.
You haven't addressed the main part of my post. South Park creators have covered Islam more than once. So apparently they're not very scared of it.
But they've already done that... it's no longer new :~D
This season they've hit a lot of areas they haven't hit before... Our religions represent a huge part of the culture.... It's just simple math that there are more opportunities for humor there than have yet been done. To ignore them would be the insult :~D
You mean the National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes?
Well, leaving aside for the moment that it was cartoon of a statue of a woman whom we have no clue of how she looked, the point was quite clearly making fun of those who see miracles performed by statues of Mary.
If you believe those miracles are real, you are going to be offended. If you think those miracles are hoaxes, the result of an over-imaginative perception, or have natural explanations, you won't be. Plenty of Catholics fit into the latter categories.
The point you miss is that this wasn't a diss on Mary. It was a diss of statue miracles.
If you don't see the distinction, then you're a good candidate to believe in healing statue tears, grilled cheese sandwich miracles, etc.
Would have been kindof a bummer of a deal for Joseph, anyhow.
You contradict yourself
You have condemned both the show and the viewers. Thought you were a bit harsh on the audience.
No, you're another one of those hyper sensitive liberals.
Statues can't weep, Bozo.
It wasn't the main part as far as I was concerned.
So what the hell are these supposed holier than thou Catholics doing watching South Park anyways?
I thought it was a hilarious episode.
I haven't read the last few hundred posts to this Hedonists vs. Idolators thread, but have we had the airing of grievences yet?
South Park is an equal opportunity offender.
Of course. Post 496, for example.
I miss all of the fun 'cuase of this "work" thing.
A little after lunch, I said to heck with this. I don't want to work anymore today and left the office. I've got vacation to burn...
We have an office party this evening so I'm stuck here 'til midnight. Upshot is I get to see my co-workers get drunk. That's usually good for a few embarrassing pictures/videos going around the office for months later.
From Matthew 1...
22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]which means, "God with us."
24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Luke 1 starts with the story behind the birth John the Baptist, then...
34"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
35The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God. 36Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37For nothing is impossible with God."
38"I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.
As far as the previous virginity of Mary (which I'll choose to believe), y'all can add to the debate and discuss all you want. The important thing is that whether or not Jesus is the true Son of God, showed us how to live a purposeful and righteous life as God wants for us, and that Jesus died on a cross for all our sins because He loved us so much.
Enough religious discussion from me for one day. :-)
My wife has her Christmas party for the hospital where she works tonight. I'm invited, of course, but I don't care to see her co-workers drunk. So I'm not going. She's cool with that, but we'll see if she really goes or not.
She better go, it's usually poor politic to skip it, but I don't blame you for not wanting to go. Office parties are dreadful enough when you know the people. They're worse when you don't. :~D
My hubby ecurbh is at his right now.... it was a daytime lunch deal, so spouses weren't even invited and I lucked out that way :~D
Yes, I can see the distinction were there a distinction being made, and let me say that I do acknowledge your point. HOWEVER, and again, using the icon/statue/person of the Virgin Mary to show that SOME people "flock to a bleeding statue or a piece of toast" was not the best or only way to go to make the same point. That's all. Find something ELSE. Yes, it's offensive. Yes, there are worse things. Yes, I'll bet those writers had other ideas they probably nixed, thank (you'll excuse the expression) God. But they chose to have blood coming out of the Virgin Mary's "ass" (oh, how lovely). To those who do not find the Virgin Mary as anyone special, why would they care anyway? She's just a mythological person, etc. But not to everyone. Let's just agree to disagree. OK?
I have been watching South Park for only a few weeks now, and I must say, I have seen them diss numerous beliefs, things, situations etc...every one and every body is ripe for being blasted on South Park....I think some people do snicker and laugh when someone or something they detest or dont like is getting blasted, but then they get all uppity and huffy, when their particular belief that they hold is being blasted....one should realize that for South Park, nothing appears to be 'hands-off', and so if you are touch or very easily offended, just use that old remote, and change the channel...
And yes, what they were dissing was this hokey thing about the image of Mary, or Jesus, or some other entity being found in a box of cornflakes, or statues bleeding, and then the folks lining up around the block, to get 'cured'...years ago, someone in the old neighborhood we lived in in Chicago, had some tree trimming done...someone strolling by the cut down limbs, claimed that the image of Mary or Jesus could be seen in the saw off end of that tree limb...within a day, crowds were gathering, bringing flowers, and candles, and people were asking for cures...friends of mine told me it was quite the sight, all these folks pushing each other around, trying to near to that cut off tree limb...
As time went on and the end of the tree limb, began to heal and change with the weather, the crowds eventually went away, surely with none of them cured...
South Park may not be for everyone, but if you do watch, do realize that you may very well be offended, and if you are just change the channel...after all, that is what remotes are for...
They don't flock to miracle images of Barbara Streisand looking for cures silly... it's always a religous figure that has these apparitions or there's no appeal.
I'll concede that the source of the blood was intentionally crude.
well said :~D
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