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(Vanity) Brokeback Mountain, a Curious Attendance Story
Michael Medved Radio | 1-6-06 | Vanity

Posted on 01/06/2006 3:31:19 PM PST by Balding_Eagle

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To: Balding_Eagle

Credit to Pookie 18 daily cartooon thread

101 posted on 01/06/2006 4:12:47 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Balding_Eagle

Did you see what the 4 guys in the theatre were DOING?

...never mind.


102 posted on 01/06/2006 4:13:54 PM PST by Elpasser
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To: Borges
As per boxofficemojo the budegt was 14M.

What I've heard is that a movie must make double its budget to break even (because promotion and distribution costs are so steep). In other words, this movie has to make $28 million to break even. It's not even close.

103 posted on 01/06/2006 4:15:54 PM PST by Glenmerle
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To: nmh

>>>It showed how coming from nothing you could make something of yourself and overcome drinking and drugs.>>>

And two people who cheated and left families for their own selfish reasons.


104 posted on 01/06/2006 4:16:12 PM PST by sandbar
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To: Alas Babylon!

LOL!


105 posted on 01/06/2006 4:16:53 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: Borges

"Box Office receipts are very hard to manipulate because all the studios get the same numbers."

I can see that. But couldn't whole theaters or "blocks" of tickets be bought up by someone promoting a movie, such as boxes of books can be bought up and counted as "sold" by a publisher pimping a book? That would be manipulating the numbers. They just want "tickets sold" they don't check to see if people are actually in the theater...or do they? I kinda doubt that Hollywood trusts a pimply-faced sixteen year old usher with that critical data, LOL!

That would explain the SOLD OUT theater with four bodies actually in it...if, in fact, that caller was telling the truth.


106 posted on 01/06/2006 4:16:53 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I've been wanting to go see 'Bareback Mounted' wearing a 'Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy' t-shirt.

Y'know, just to cause trouble....

I think the whole movie was based on a joke. I cannot repeat the entire joke, but the punchline is: "Well, Moo-Moo, Buckaroo."

107 posted on 01/06/2006 4:17:11 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: Popman

Great cartoon.


108 posted on 01/06/2006 4:18:35 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: Rocky
 
"Actually, when Passion of the Christ was released and selling like hot cakes, there was more than one instance of a moviegoer reporting paying for it, getting a ticket to another movie and being told not to worry about it by management..."

Let me get this straight. A movie production company is going to use smoke and mirrors to convince the public that they grossed $200,000,000 and then expect the IRS to except that they only grossed a couple of million dollars???

I don't think so.
 


109 posted on 01/06/2006 4:19:02 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: MadIvan

Ivan, you didn't stop by and say 'hello' =(


110 posted on 01/06/2006 4:19:12 PM PST by pbear8 (Ever think that Nancy Pelosi should sue the surgeon?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

the old Car Dealership trick. Hurry down, before the AMC Pacers are all gone.


111 posted on 01/06/2006 4:20:25 PM PST by jw777
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To: Balding_Eagle

A few days ago, a local radio personality said that everyone who called in could have one of two free prizes (their choice). One was two tickets to see Bareback Mountain. The other was a roll of Certs. He cut it off when the box of Certs was gone. During that time, he gave away 75 rolls of Certs and 3 pairs of tickets.


112 posted on 01/06/2006 4:20:29 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: HawaiianGecko

First of all, the italics indicate I was reposting what someone else had posted. Second of all, anything can be made ridiculous by exaggeration. Who said anything about $200 million?


113 posted on 01/06/2006 4:21:29 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: Spok; Balding_Eagle

Were they wearing rain coats?


114 posted on 01/06/2006 4:22:08 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The attendance figures for BM are very strange. Initially, BM showed very poor legs, with its overall take only modestly growing as the number of theaters showing expanded rapidly. Now suddenly, the movie has strong legs.


115 posted on 01/06/2006 4:23:28 PM PST by dangus
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To: Recovering_Democrat
"Sodomy on the Range".

Ho-mos on the Range
Where the queers and
The turd burglars play.

116 posted on 01/06/2006 4:24:37 PM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: billorites

Why bring the King of the Surf Guitar (Dick Dale) into this?


117 posted on 01/06/2006 4:25:05 PM PST by dangus
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To: Balding_Eagle

I recall a similar type story concerning The Passion of the Christ. Hollywood is not quite what you might call honest.


118 posted on 01/06/2006 4:26:01 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Hook'em Horns!)
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To: jim_trent
That is too true to be funny.

Thanks!!

119 posted on 01/06/2006 4:27:45 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Spok

There were probaly eight people in there, but only four whose heads were above the seatbacks.


120 posted on 01/06/2006 4:27:54 PM PST by keithtoo (Global Warming causes everything, and everything causes Global Warming.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
If the manager is playing games with the tickets he may have technically sold it out by playing switcheroo with the other venues.

As howard Dean said on Hardball: "you can't play, you know, hide the salami, or whatever it`s called."
121 posted on 01/06/2006 4:28:04 PM PST by joem15
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To: Popman

Brokeback Mountain: Where men are men and sheep are nervous!


122 posted on 01/06/2006 4:28:08 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Theater's take is typically 45% of the cut. And then there's printing and marketing. But according to some basic rules of thumb, it is rapidly approaching profitability, presuming equally strong DVD and foreign grosses.


123 posted on 01/06/2006 4:28:25 PM PST by dangus
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To: Glenmerle
It depends. Double the budget is a rule of thumb and doesn't necessarily apply. What's more important is the cut the studio is getting at this point, which is probably 80%, no less than 70% I'm guessing, so it's very close to making back its budget. Also this is a platform release; it's in less than 10% of the theaters King Kong is in.

It's not important that it hasn't made it's money yet because it's got a long way to go.

124 posted on 01/06/2006 4:29:19 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Don't know if this passes the smell test.

Why would the theater hang a "sold out" sign on a theater with only four seats filled.

What would stop the theater from selling an additional 10 seats even if it was sold out, unless the ticket program is programmed to stop selling tickets once the seats are all bought?

Anybody know the answer to that question?

125 posted on 01/06/2006 4:30:47 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The suspicion, I think, is that wealthy gay people are buying up tickets. OF course, if a movie is about to start, you realize no-one is watching it, it might serve a theater owner's interest to make it appear like the movie is a hit, and is succeeding in appealling to a wider audience. Sorta like musicians throwing money into their own hat.


126 posted on 01/06/2006 4:31:16 PM PST by dangus
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To: Darkwolf377

The most hyper-publicized $15 million dollar movie ever made.

For this movie to achieve its objective, it's going to have to do a lot more than make its money back.


127 posted on 01/06/2006 4:32:19 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: dangus
Theater's take is typically 45% of the cut.

Not true. A rolling take usually starts at anywhere from 70-80% for the first two weeks, then gradually drops.

128 posted on 01/06/2006 4:32:29 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: MadIvan

Yes Ivan, you're wholly right.

The economy is humming along very, very nicely. Not hot, though. Slow, sustainable, low inflationary growth.

Look for a recovery that heads out toward 8 or perhaps 10 years.


129 posted on 01/06/2006 4:32:43 PM PST by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

But it's not just making its money back. it still has theaters to open in and those Oscar nominations it will be getting. More hype, more theaters. besides, who cares if it achieves its objective, whatever that is?


130 posted on 01/06/2006 4:33:35 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: Plutarch

>> Brokeback Mountain opens in Fresno this weekend. At the largest multiplex, Edward’s Cinema , they put it in the separate theatre on the IMAX screen. <<

A western, shot in the mountains, presented on IMAX? That WILL bring per-screen attendance up! Way up! IMAX screens are obscenely expensive, and normally rely on -- and get -- massive audiences.


131 posted on 01/06/2006 4:33:45 PM PST by dangus
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To: Plymouth Sentinel

Something else I noticed: stores like Wal Mart, Target and Costco appear to be gaining in popularity. I believe that one of the reasons why inflation is under control is due to discount retailers such as these, who continually are aggressive on prices.

Regards, Ivan


132 posted on 01/06/2006 4:34:51 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: My2Cents
Were they all men?

All sitting in the same chair.

Upside down chair.

133 posted on 01/06/2006 4:35:04 PM PST by Doomonyou (FR doesn't suffer fools lightly.)
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To: nmh
nmh quote:"It was an okay movie. It's one of the few we've seen in years. I'd recommend it."

You are recommending a movie with two sodomite males who engage in anal sex for the viewers to experience?

I wounldn't recommend this to anyone.

134 posted on 01/06/2006 4:36:12 PM PST by bulldozer
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
Would agree. But, debt is a major concern. How have we avoided inflation with the massive debt / unbalance of trade, etc?

I am afraid to hear the answer.

135 posted on 01/06/2006 4:36:55 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Darkwolf377

I think it's the wild-eyed fervor with which you play up the success...


136 posted on 01/06/2006 4:38:00 PM PST by dangus
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To: Darkwolf377

I think it's the wild-eyed fervor with which you play up the success...


137 posted on 01/06/2006 4:38:50 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Also, you're right about the DVD and foreign $$$. The publicity this thing is generating is going to make for a huge curiosity factor from people who want to see it without going to a theater.


138 posted on 01/06/2006 4:38:56 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: dangus

Yes, explaining the facts when people push lies is a wild-eyed fervor. Sorry for thinking you were interested in an honest discussion about movie economics.


139 posted on 01/06/2006 4:40:05 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (The first and great commandment is: Don't let them scare you. --Elmer Davis)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Who wants topay to see 2 queer democRATS cruise around a mountain? Comeon now, get series.


140 posted on 01/06/2006 4:40:29 PM PST by Waco
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To: Rocky
 
lol, I wasn't accusing you of anything, you just had the text.

Make the numbers whatever they need to be...  It's still tough to announce that the cost of the flick was 'X' dollars, we sold out theatres for 'Y' dollars (an inflated amount) and our profit is Y-X dollars. 

I've seen a lot of accounting shenanigans in my career but never one that exposes you to fraud and stockholder lawsuits.

Example: Movie truly costs $25M to make and you raise $1 million each from 25 investors. Genuine revenues are $50M for a 100% or $25M return on investment with no monkey business involved. However, you spend another $10M buying tickets from theatres to make it look like the movie is selling more than it is. To do this you had to raise another $10M, $1M each from 10 more shareholders.

Your expenses are now $35M, revenues are now $60M and profit is still $25M. So 35 people get to split $25M instead of 25 people splitting $25M. 

I see lawsuits written all over this scheme.
 


141 posted on 01/06/2006 4:41:20 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: dangus

LOL....Seriously, I thought the same thing when I saw that graphic.


142 posted on 01/06/2006 4:43:07 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: bulldozer

"You are recommending a movie with two sodomite males who engage in anal sex for the viewers to experience?

I wounldn't recommend this to anyone."

I wouldn't either!

I was recommending Walk the Line about Johnny Cash!

YIKES!!!!


143 posted on 01/06/2006 4:43:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Darkwolf377
besides, who cares if it achieves its objective, whatever that is?

Cultural change is their objective. I think a few people care.

144 posted on 01/06/2006 4:43:23 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: daku

Congrats on a twisted mind. LOL!! Come on people... that was funny!


145 posted on 01/06/2006 4:44:41 PM PST by CATravelAgent (Islam - THE anti-Christ)
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To: 19th LA Inf
Walk the Line was a pretty good movie (although Ray was a better-acted biopic), but mass popularity has almost zip to do with nominations - Fudgepack Mountin' will bury WTL in nominations. Joaquin Phoenix may pick up Best Actor, though.
146 posted on 01/06/2006 4:45:16 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Popman
There could be a reason for this to happen, and an explanation. If BBM and another movie had the same distributor, switching one for the other might be profitable for the theater, especially if the distributor is paying more for BB< than the other movie.

"Sold Out" would mean they had hit their limit on how many tickets they could divert to BBM.

It would help to know what movie was playing besides BBM, and if it had the same distributor.

147 posted on 01/06/2006 4:45:35 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: dangus; Darkwolf377
Theater's take is typically 45% of the cut. And then there's printing and marketing. But according to some basic rules of thumb, it is rapidly approaching profitability, presuming equally strong DVD and foreign grosses

So in appx. one month BM has made appx. 33% less in the box office than "Passion Of the Christ" made in one day. And BM has had the most positive and fawning press blitz of any movie I can remember.

You are correct though about the appx. DVD sales. Homosexulals will be snapping them up like gerbils.

148 posted on 01/06/2006 4:45:48 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: My2Cents

It looked like they were praciticing bronco busting.


149 posted on 01/06/2006 4:46:00 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Dane

Appropriate that this movie's initials are "BM."


150 posted on 01/06/2006 4:47:15 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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