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Beating that queasiness: Straight, liberal and gun-shy about 'Brokeback'
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/15/06 | Dru Sefton

Posted on 01/15/2006 11:00:14 AM PST by TFFKAMM

It's true, the movie "Brokeback Mountain" does provoke what one researcher calls "a very strong ick factor" in some straight men.

What is it in this story of two cowboy pals in 1960s Wyoming who find themselves in lifelong love -- yet go on to marry women -- that elicits this response from heterosexual males?

The answers are as complex as the plot.

A psychologist who coined the word "homophobic" said the revulsion is precisely that. A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response. The author of "The Sexual Brain" said there is nothing on a neurobiological basis to explain the aversion.

To film fan Eddie Hargreaves of Stockton, it's more like the "ick" of romantic drama. "I'm not going to speak for everybody," he said, "but I don't know a lot of straight guys who said, 'Oh, man, I can't wait to see "Bridges of Madison County," 1995's famous tearjerker.

"Brokeback Mountain," directed by Oscar winner Ang Lee and starring box-office hunks Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, is sparking both critical praise and water-cooler chatter. It's been nominated for seven Golden Globe awards.

But when movie critic Dave White, who is gay, wrote a humorous piece titled "The Straight Dude's Guide to 'Brokeback,' " "I got hundreds of messages, most of whom hated me for just existing," he said...

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; barebackmountain; brokebackmountain; drusefton; enoughalready; gay; hollywood; homosexual; homosexualagenda; ick; pudding
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1 posted on 01/15/2006 11:00:16 AM PST by TFFKAMM
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To: TFFKAMM

ICK


2 posted on 01/15/2006 11:00:51 AM PST by joyce11111
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To: TFFKAMM

Ick!


3 posted on 01/15/2006 11:01:16 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TFFKAMM

I wouldn't watch that movie if it was performed by penquins set on fire..


4 posted on 01/15/2006 11:02:29 AM PST by tje
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To: TFFKAMM
I have a natural aversion to many things that are unnatural or perverse.

Homosexual love stories rank up high on the list.

5 posted on 01/15/2006 11:05:05 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: TFFKAMM
Homophobia is a made-up word meant to end conversations - and thinking.

Just because I think two guys kissing is gross, does not mean I am 'scared' of homosexuality. I just think it's unnatural and wrong.

I think the idea of putting ketchup on ice cream is gross, but I'm not scared of it.

6 posted on 01/15/2006 11:05:06 AM PST by keithtoo (Global Warming causes everything, and everything causes Global Warming.)
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To: TFFKAMM
I'm a chick, and I'm not going to watch it.

I watch movies for entertainment, not for agendas.

I grew up thinking that the Marlboro Man was one of the sexiest men alive. Cowboys are manly, testosterone filled mysteries, and every little girl thinks they are just dreamy.

To tell me that some sexy cowboy would rather bag his partner than go out with a beautiful woman is just stomping on traditional opinions of manly men.

7 posted on 01/15/2006 11:05:29 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: TFFKAMM

If I want to see two guys playing pitch and catch, I'll go to a baseball game.


8 posted on 01/15/2006 11:05:51 AM PST by Wheee The People
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To: TFFKAMM
What is it in this story of two cowboy pals in 1960s Wyoming who find themselves in lifelong love -- yet go on to marry women -- that elicits this response from heterosexual males?

Trust the SF Chronicle to present you with the complete collapse of a culture as Sunday morning reading.

9 posted on 01/15/2006 11:06:44 AM PST by Innisfree
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To: TFFKAMM

Straight dudes just don't want to think about gay sex. It's that simple.


10 posted on 01/15/2006 11:06:51 AM PST by Generic_Login_1787
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To: joyce11111

We can easily see the road that we are headed down. Anyone who views homosexuality as sinful or perverted behavior will be termed as homophobic, mentally ill, bigoted, etc. It's already happening in other nations. Members of the clergy are being arrested for speaking of homosexuality when they do their sermons. It will come to that here. We are well on our way now.


11 posted on 01/15/2006 11:07:06 AM PST by fox0566
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To: TFFKAMM

That article is just plain gay.


12 posted on 01/15/2006 11:08:49 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: TFFKAMM

For jokes, I asked my hubby to take me to see that movie. He said he'd rather watch "Terms of Endearment" and "Steel Magnolia's" a hundred times. I took that as a strong no.


13 posted on 01/15/2006 11:08:51 AM PST by Arpege92 ("When the wise is pointing to the moon, the frog looks at the finger.")
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To: TFFKAMM

It makes a difference to me.

They are NOT cowboys.

They are sheep herders. Shepherds.


14 posted on 01/15/2006 11:10:05 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: fox0566

Good model of this is Canada, PC out of control


15 posted on 01/15/2006 11:10:27 AM PST by Roverman2K
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To: TFFKAMM
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16 posted on 01/15/2006 11:10:33 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: TFFKAMM

"To say that straight guys are missing out because they're unjustly turned off by the plot, well, there wasn't anything to turn them on in the first place," Hargreaves said. "At least 'The English Patient' had a plane crash."



17 posted on 01/15/2006 11:10:54 AM PST by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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To: TFFKAMM

Ick. Abomination. Same diff.


18 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:00 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: TFFKAMM

Its just ridiculous the amount of Gay shows and movies, no other minority group with this low numbers gets representation like that, Asians come to mind, they are a forgotten population.


19 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:14 AM PST by Roverman2K
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To: TFFKAMM
A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response. The author of "The Sexual Brain" said there is nothing on a neurobiological basis to explain the aversion.

Homophobic? me? you bet your ars I'm homophobic! With good reason too!

Nobody could drag me into that theater.

Revolting!

They heap awards on this dog, it's supposed to be instructive to people like me, but I'll never see it so it ends up affirming the gays about their sexual weirdness.

Fine! Let them go get affirmed.

I won't be getting exposed to their ways, that's for sure!

20 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:43 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: TFFKAMM

So... homophobia is an "illness", just like homosexuality was an "illness" back in the 40s.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:51 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: Valpal1

Yeah, I mean, the plot is.......they're gay. What normal person would be attracted to something like that?


22 posted on 01/15/2006 11:12:55 AM PST by fox0566
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To: keithtoo


And you are absolutely right to think and feel that way...but the "heterophobes" the moes out there that think "you" have no right to think and feel the way you do, and that there actions should be a social norm and everything else is "hate speech" against them whereas you beleive their acts are unnatural, which they are.

My point to the moes is...techonology being absent, if every human was a "moe" how long would the species last?

The answer to that question is why same sex behavior is unnatural...no matter how you slice it.

Does that mean I impune the rights of the moes to hold a job, to congregate, to live? No, but what that does mean is I stand up the right for hetero-sexual behavior being the norm in nature and all conventions of such marriage, adopting children, etc. being of primary importance for the function of society.


23 posted on 01/15/2006 11:13:20 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: TFFKAMM
A psychologist who coined the word "homophobic" said the revulsion is precisely that. A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response.

Here's a clue: would the "scientist" spend time & money to go see a film about some guy boinking a goat?

24 posted on 01/15/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: TFFKAMM
Unnatural and aversion used to be synonyms. Today the unnatural seems synonymous with entertainment.
25 posted on 01/15/2006 11:14:11 AM PST by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: TFFKAMM
You know.....I don't see slasher flicks, or dramas about psychotic murderers, or watch documentaries on predators because I don't want to have the slightest idea about what goes on in their brains.

Really.  Their brains are broken and beyond that, I don't give a sh!t and I don't wanna know.

And I don't want to know what's going on in the brain of one guy when he "falls in love" with another because, their brains are broken

Sexual love is how nature and/or God gets the person with the penis to put up with the person without one -  and visa versa - for the purpose of having offspring.  That's it.

 

 

26 posted on 01/15/2006 11:15:10 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: i_dont_chat
They are NOT cowboys.

They are sheepboys.

27 posted on 01/15/2006 11:15:48 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Fiddlstix

That provoked an honest-to-goodness laugh out loud.


28 posted on 01/15/2006 11:16:14 AM PST by ahayes
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To: TFFKAMM

Imagine the POSITIVE response from heterosexual male movie-goers if "Brokeback" was about two lesbian cowgirls, and starred, say, Jennifer Love Hewitt and Jessica Alba.


29 posted on 01/15/2006 11:17:41 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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"This is a threat to most men because it opens up the possibility that two men who are friendly may become affectionate," Shary said. "That's something men just do not want to consider."

Countless movies feature characters who marry (or are married to) someone but linger evermore over feelings for another -- think "Casablanca."

"But this is about two men who are attracted to each other and keep that connection. That's especially troubling for some men," Shary said, adding, "but that's what makes this a truly revolutionary film."

George Weinberg said this aversion is "definitely homophobia." He is the New York City psychologist and researcher who invented that term in the 1960s and broke ground with his 1972 book, "Society and the Healthy Homosexual."

"This is the idea of one man's adoration for another," Weinberg said. "A love affair more deep and lasting and romantic" than with their wives.

His advice for straights uneasy about "Brokeback" is: "First understand you have this problem. At least by acknowledging it, that's a start. It's like saying, 'I have a fear of heights.' "

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This whole movie is about gay activism. That goes beyond "ick" for me.
30 posted on 01/15/2006 11:18:15 AM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: DTogo

an idea worth pitching.


31 posted on 01/15/2006 11:18:27 AM PST by bigsigh
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To: TFFKAMM

1> There is no such thing as "homophobic"..there is heteraphobia, however.....people who are scared they will become heterasexual unless they push their agenda..

2> Homosexuals need to realize they have a problem, then they can rid themselves of it...like being afraid of heights..

3> So, now the heteraphobes don't just want to stop homosexuals from being abused mentaly and physically, but they don't want anyone to THINK ill of them, either....

4> the next step is nonhomosexuals will be forced to preach homosexuality...


32 posted on 01/15/2006 11:20:16 AM PST by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: DTogo

The Empty Suits in the media and Hollyweird are trying to use the power of the media to push Homosexuals are superior to straights. There is no end of Pro-Gay propaganda being shoved down our throats, being promoted in our Schools etc.

And there is a war on Straights by the Media. To hell with them and Hollyweird. Boycott their trash. They are crapping all over our values.


33 posted on 01/15/2006 11:20:17 AM PST by Khankrumthebulgar
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To: Fenris6
spend time & money to go see a film about some guy boinking a goat?

Didn't Jim Carrey do that in one of his films? That's what I heard.

34 posted on 01/15/2006 11:20:26 AM PST by newzjunkey (In 2006: Halt W's illegals' amnesty. Get GOP elected statewide in CA.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

"So... homophobia is an "illness", just like homosexuality was an "illness" back in the 40s."

OMG, I am sooooo sick!!!




Homo,Homo, On The Range

Oh, give me a home where the buffalo roam
Where the queers and the homos all play
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the skies are liberal all day

Home, home on the range
Where the queers and the homophiles play
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the skies are liberal all day

How often at night when the heavens are bright
With the light from your glittering arse
Have I stood there amazed and asked as I gazed
If your instruments exceed that of ours

Home, home on the range
Where the queers and the homophiles play
Where seldom is heard a discouraging bird
And the skies are Socialist all day

Where the air is so pure, the zephyrs so free
The breezes so redolent of farts
That I would not exchange my home on the range
For all of the heterosexual arts

Home, home on the range
Where the queers and the anally fixated play
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the skies are Sodomized all day

Oh, I love those wild flow'rs in this dear land of ours
Whose men, I love to hear scream
And I love their large c__ks and the homophile flocks
That graze on the mountaintops green

Home, home on the range
Where the queers and the homophiles play
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the skies are so Hollywood all day.


35 posted on 01/15/2006 11:20:26 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: TFFKAMM
Weinberg said.....His advice for straights uneasy about "Brokeback" is: "First understand you have this problem. At least by acknowledging it, that's a start. It's like saying, 'I have a fear of heights.' "

No, I don't have a problem with homosexuals. Doesn't mean I want to watch men do unnatural things like kissing, hugging in a sexual way and having anal sex. I don't want to watch my dogs hump either or people eat worms or bugs or maggots.

Also, if I have a fear of heights it's because I think I might fall to my death. Some people can overcome this fear. I can't overcome the aversion to watching men perform anal sex unless I begin to believe there is nothing wrong with it.

Asinine comparisons. But what do you expect?

36 posted on 01/15/2006 11:20:57 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: fox0566
It will come to that here. We are well on our way now.

The MSM, the Hollyweird gang, and the chattering class in Georgetown, San Francisco, and Manhattan are dominated by pro-homo views. Other than that, the overwhelming majority of Americans either don't condone it or believe homos should STFU about it and keep it in the bedroom/closet rather than a public agenda.

The chances of being arrested in this country for speaking against homosexuality are nil and none. Unlike other countries, we have the First Amendment. Counting Alito, at least 6 members of the U.S. Supremes would never vote to uphold a law curtailing speech about homosexuality. If Ginsberg and Stephens are replaced in the next couple of years, you can increase that total to 8 (Souter will vote for his fellow pillow-biters all the time).

What are the odds of such a law being passed on a national level? Zip. Maybe 50 in the House and 10 in the Senate would support it...and then one would have to wait for a President Hillary to sign it ('09 or later). Assuming passed, the U.S. Supremes would promptly strike it down per above.

What about state laws? One could see a few blue states trying to pass such a law (California, Mass., Vermont, etc.). But public support in those states for civil unions/marriages as 'equal rights' is far different than public support for censuring/prosecuting heteros for speech. Doubtful such would pass...and if it did, the state laws would be stricken by the U.S. Supremes too on First Amendment grounds.

37 posted on 01/15/2006 11:21:45 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: i_dont_chat
They are sheep herders. Shepherds.

And they aren't gay, they're bisexual shepherds.

Proof: Their flock has both rams and ewes.

38 posted on 01/15/2006 11:21:49 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To: Arpege92

What a great way to give your husband a choice. "Dear, would you rather take me to see Steel Magnolias or Brokenbutt Mountain?"


39 posted on 01/15/2006 11:22:55 AM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: Popman
I have a natural aversion to many things that are unnatural or perverse. And with an immoral subplot in the fact that both are committing adultery while living this unnatural lifestyle.
40 posted on 01/15/2006 11:22:56 AM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Fenris6
A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response.

Talk about not 'getting it' How did 'genetic' links get there in the first place? a turkey baster?

Maybe I have a definite genetic link which tells me homosexuality is sick.

41 posted on 01/15/2006 11:22:57 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: TFFKAMM
They just keep on trying to suggest that there is something wrong with US, because we dont want to see this garbage.

They use code-words like "affectionate" to suggest that normal men are NOT affectionate, which is nonsense.

Through my Navy career, I spent probably 95% of my time with men, and not once did it occur to me that another man's bare hairy ass was attractive or sexual. But if a squadmate had a bad day in an airplane, where his life was in question, and he brought it back, you think I wouldn't hug him?

The gays and their protectors just dont want to acknowledge that THEY have the problem, not us. I just sat through that Penguin movie with a woman on Rush's recommendation, and enjoyed it. That does not mean that I am about to watch any movie where two pudding-packers try to teach me about Man-love. No thanks!

42 posted on 01/15/2006 11:23:40 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: TFFKAMM
BROKENBUTT MOUNTAIN SONG
43 posted on 01/15/2006 11:24:42 AM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: TFFKAMM
I covered my eyes during Diane Keaton's nude flash in "Something's Gotta Give," but I'm a practicing (as often as possible) heterosexual male.

Right or wrong, gay or straight, there are some things ya just don't want to see, hear, or know about.

44 posted on 01/15/2006 11:25:03 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: TFFKAMM

"How can a man look at another man's h a i r y a$$ ... and find love?"

45 posted on 01/15/2006 11:25:32 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Any "genetic" link would have extinguished itself long ago according to Darwin's theory. I mean if you don't get into the gene pool you're extinguished in one generation. Don't they get it? It's their theory after all...can't have it both ways.


46 posted on 01/15/2006 11:26:24 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: Popman
I have a natural aversion to many things that are unnatural or perverse.

I have a natural aversion to thinking about guys who get poo-poo on their pee-pee.

47 posted on 01/15/2006 11:27:26 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: teenyelliott

I can't believe the guy who wrote Lonesome Dove put his name to this bucket of crap


48 posted on 01/15/2006 11:27:48 AM PST by mel
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To: TFFKAMM
The danger of this movie is that it indicts society as hateful and homophobic, an old liberal agenda ploy. The two men marry women because they cannot live together happily: society won't let them. The film criminalizes, as it were, moral convictions regarding the legitimate use of sex and sexuality, evoking sympathy for persons who cause great emotional harm to others (their wives), but seemingly only because of the evil of social mores. If only society could have accepted them, they would have married each other and avoided the harm society caused them to visit upon the women in their lives!

IT'S ALL WHITE, CHRISTIAN AMERICA'S FAULT!!


49 posted on 01/15/2006 11:27:51 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: TFFKAMM
Previous 300+ comment thread (though I see the SF Chronicle changed the title)

Many Straight Guys Say 'No Thanks' to 'Brokeback Mountain'

 

50 posted on 01/15/2006 11:28:16 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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