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Flasback: Manning Calls Vanderjagt An 'Idiot Kicker'
ESPN ^ | February 3, 2005 | Website Column

Posted on 01/15/2006 1:29:41 PM PST by mcg2000

HONOLULU -- Peyton Manning called teammate Mike Vanderjagt an "idiot kicker" at the Pro Bowl on Sunday, three days after Vanderjagt apologized for making disparaging remarks about the Indianapolis Colts quarterback.

Some Colts officials are almost as surprised by Peyton Manning's comments about kicker Mike Vanderjagt as they were by Vanderjagt's original statements.

The Colts have not said publicly whether Vanderjagt will be welcomed back to the team after his criticisms of Manning and head coach Tony Dungy. One thing is certain: There are no cap implications that would prevent the Colts from releasing or trading Vanderjagt.

In fact, they would save money.

Vanderjagt is signed through 2005 on a $7.75 million, five-year extension he received in 2000. That deal made him the NFL's highest-paid kicker at the time.

If Vanderjagt were to be released before June 1, the Colts would actually save $900,000 against the cap for 2003. That would also be true if here were traded at any time. If he were to be released after June 1, the Colts would save $1.4 million against the cap. The team also would save significant money against the cap in 2004 and '05.

The Colts do have another kicker signed. Even before Vanderjagt opened his mouth, the Colts had signed Brett Conway for two years with a $50,000 signing bonus and base salaries of $530,000 in 2003 and $535,000 in 2004.

Manning made the comment during a live interview on ABC. He also claimed Vanderjagt was "liquored up" at the time of the Canadian cable TV interview earlier this week in which he said Manning should show more emotion.

"Here we are," Manning said. "I'm out at my third Pro Bowl, I'm about to go in and throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice, we're honoring the Hall of Fame, and we're talking about our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran his mouth off.

"The sad thing is, he's a good kicker. He's a good kicker. But he's an idiot."

A message from The Associated Press was left at the office of Vanderjagt's agent, Gil Scott, on Monday.

Vanderjagt also criticized Colts coach Tony Dungy in the interview with The Score, a Toronto-based cable sports network.

"I'm not a real big Colts fan right now, unfortunately. I just don't see us getting better," Vanderjagt said during the interview.

"Coach Dungy, he's just a mild-mannered guy. He doesn't get too excited, he doesn't get too down and I don't think that works, either. ... I think you need a motivator, I think you need a guy that is going to get in somebody's face when they're not performing well enough."

Dungy said late last week that Vanderjagt's future with the Colts rested with the veteran kicker.

"It's not in doubt because of what he said," Dungy said.

Vanderjagt, the most accurate field-goal kicker in NFL history, apologized Thursday to Dungy, Manning and the rest of his teammates. He signed a $7.75 million, five-year contract extension with the Colts in November 2000 -- at the time making him the league's highest-paid kicker.

"When I get home, I'll deal with it," Manning said. "If he is still a teammate, we'll deal with it. That remains to be seen."


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: colts; indianapolis; manning; nfl; sports; vanderjagt; vanderjowned

1 posted on 01/15/2006 1:29:43 PM PST by mcg2000
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To: mcg2000

I thought this would be relevant with consideration to the end of today's game.

The phrase "idiot kicker" will be heard everywhere ... here's a reference for anyone who's unaware.


2 posted on 01/15/2006 1:30:31 PM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: mcg2000

HA HA HA...... Even though the ref tried to screw the STeelers they still won! If anyone out here can believe the non interception call, the non offsides call, the non interference call, I have a bridge in arizona to sell you. Had to be the worst job of a ref ever. HE should be fined.


3 posted on 01/15/2006 1:32:16 PM PST by Plumberman27
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To: mcg2000

Well, I guess he is an idiot to elicit such a response from Manning. He's probably out of a job as well a since kickers are a dime a dozen.


4 posted on 01/15/2006 1:32:35 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: mcg2000
46 yards in a home field dome, playoff game on the line? That was no $7.75 million worth!

After that horrible interception reversing call, I was glad to see the Steelers pull through. I hope Big Ben's not damaged, though.

5 posted on 01/15/2006 1:33:16 PM PST by Yossarian (The media is now simply running a 24/7 soap opera with Dubya cast as the arch villain.)
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To: mcg2000

At the end it looked like a contest between dueling playoff choke artists..Cowher vs Manning. It would have been fitting for the game to go to overtime.


6 posted on 01/15/2006 1:33:22 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: mcg2000

That was one ugly kick today. But it wasn't his fault they didn't get him closer.


7 posted on 01/15/2006 1:33:57 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

8 posted on 01/15/2006 1:34:49 PM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
HERE WE GO STEELERS!! HERE WE GO!!

What a game! It almost gave me a heart attack. Reminds me of the WVU vs UGA game. My teams need to stop doing this to me.

9 posted on 01/15/2006 1:35:49 PM PST by Conservative_Jedi (Give me Liberty or give me Death!!)
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To: mcg2000

That was one bizarre game. I didn't have a dog in the fight, but thought it would be nice if the underdogs won. After the refs overturned that CLEAR interception, I began to forcefully root for Pittsburgh. Way to go, Steelers! And knock that silly hippie beard off Plummer's face next week!


10 posted on 01/15/2006 1:35:54 PM PST by inkling
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To: nuconvert

Yeh...he gets Vander-jacked right out of Indy.....whats with the diamond earing on his left ear?


11 posted on 01/15/2006 1:36:28 PM PST by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: tflabo

left is right and right is wrong


12 posted on 01/15/2006 1:37:32 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Clever dude...signs of the times I suppose.


13 posted on 01/15/2006 1:38:48 PM PST by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: nuconvert

A 46 yard kick in a dome?!? That's gravy ... he is over-rated though due to his lack of kicking outdoors.

"I'm not a real big Colts fan right now, unfortunately," the Canadian kicker told The Score, a Toronto-based cable sports TV network. "I just don't see us getting better."

"All week before the Jets game I'm like, '(No.) 18, we're going to handle it, me and you we're going to win this game.' And he's like, 'Yeah, yeah, OK.'

"And I'm like, 'Peyton, show some enthusiasm, you're the quarterback and we need to win this game.' I just don't see it from him."

Vanderjagt said the Colts' offense desperately needed a fiery, smashmouth leader.

"We need somebody who is going to get in people's face and yell and scream," said Vanderjagt, who joined the Colts in 1998. "I've gone over there to the offense and said, 'Come on.'

"They're just like, 'Mike, go sit down. You're the kicker.' I have more emotion probably than anybody. I want to win, I want to win bad. When I miss a field goal I bang my helmet because I hate being imperfect and I can't tolerate watching 11 guys just walk off the field after you get stuffed and really show that you don't care. That is frustrating to me."

"Coach Dungy, he's just a mild-mannered guy. He doesn't get too excited, he doesn't get too down and I don't think that works either.

"I think you need a motivator, I think you need a guy that is going to get in somebody's face when they're not performing well enough. Peyton and Tony are basically the same guy. They work hard, they mark their Xs and Os and go out and execute. If it doesn't happen, there's nothing we can do about it."


14 posted on 01/15/2006 1:39:28 PM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: mcg2000

btw - that's an old article/quotes from 2003!


15 posted on 01/15/2006 1:40:12 PM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: tflabo

He could afford it. Don't know if he can now, though.
I feel kinda bad for him. 46yds is no gimme.


16 posted on 01/15/2006 1:41:40 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: mcg2000

This is a time when u are right but wish u were wrong

I said all year that INDY was not going either undefeated or to the bowl

but last few weeks I was hoping I would be proven wrong..sadly no


17 posted on 01/15/2006 1:45:58 PM PST by skaterboy (My candy cane is so yummy and delicious)
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To: Plumberman27
"Even though the ref tried to screw the STeelers they still won!"
18 posted on 01/15/2006 1:55:53 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: mcg2000

I'm so sad at today's result. I can't tell you all how sad I am. Not one team I've wanted to win in the playoffs has gotten the job done.

Feeling very dejected here. Very dejected indeed.


19 posted on 01/15/2006 1:58:05 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Wristpin

My kids and I agree, no matter how hard the ref tried the Steelers rose above it and won.


20 posted on 01/15/2006 2:05:13 PM PST by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: mcg2000

I'm just tired of Manning this and Manning that. If he was half as good as he thinks he is, he wouldn't have needed the refs to try to bail him out several times TODAY. The Colts are where they are because of defence, not Manning or any one player.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 2:30:38 PM PST by right right
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To: jocon307
More Cowbell!!!!!
22 posted on 01/15/2006 2:44:47 PM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: Plumberman27
Had to be the worst job of a ref ever.

Have to say the refs had a bad day, but I think the bad calls evened out. On the first 4th and inches Ben R. did not make a 1st down and before that the Steeler lineman moved which would have made it 4th and 5 and on the last indy drive, there should have been a pass int call on pitt.

Still both sides had plenty of chances to win the game on the field, the Bettis fumble, the missed field goal, etc.

23 posted on 01/15/2006 2:55:13 PM PST by staytrue (Annoy the Media. Vote Republican.)
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To: mcg2000

Sign language for "Manning Brothers"


24 posted on 01/15/2006 3:00:28 PM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: mcg2000; GraniteStateConservative

Bears repeating.

25 posted on 01/15/2006 3:34:37 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro
Do you think maybe...maybe...Vanderjagt had it in his mind that, "You know, I'm not coming back here next year anyway... if this kick went, say wide to the right, it really wouldn't bother me."
26 posted on 01/15/2006 6:16:01 PM PST by TheBigB (I long to meet that special female...one to whom I can say those three magic words....."are you 18?")
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To: mcg2000; All

VANDERJAGT IS A CANADIAN who doesn't even live in America in the offseason. Perhaps, he hates Manning more than he wants to win a Super Bowl.


27 posted on 01/15/2006 7:25:54 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: mcg2000

I think he has made his last FG attempt for the Colts...nice find (the article, that is).


28 posted on 01/15/2006 7:29:06 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: mcg2000

"Shut Up and Kick."


29 posted on 01/15/2006 7:31:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: mcg2000
Vanderjagt may be an "idiot kicker," but how do you explain the clock management and playcalling on the part of Tony Dungee and Peyton Manning in the last 2.5 minutes of this game?

The Colts should have run the ball at 3rd and 2. Any moron could have said that. Instead, they run a pass play and damn near get Manning sacked....again.

Pitiful.

30 posted on 01/15/2006 7:34:13 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: mcg2000; MikeinIraq; mainepatsfan
Maybe Pat Robertson will tell us that God was punishing Mike Vaderjagt for his early comments, or, for committing adultery during the halftime highlights, or something like that.
31 posted on 01/15/2006 8:07:37 PM PST by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: TheBigB

After reading this article, I had the same thoughts you did.

Is it possible he wanted to deny Dungy, Manning, and team a chance at the Super Bowl and deliberately missed the FG today?

Maybe not, but the article makes you wonder.


32 posted on 01/15/2006 8:45:01 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Cedar
I'm not sayihng he did, but it wouldn't surprise me.

"So I'm an idiot, huh, Peyton? Well, I'm gonna make sure YOU'RE still a loser!"

I mean, Vanderjagt is supposed to be one of the best in the game, and that kick wasn't even close. It looked like it was 20 yeards off. That's one of those where you go, "Wow, he couldn't have missed that one any worse if he had tried."

33 posted on 01/15/2006 8:49:44 PM PST by TheBigB (I long to meet that special female...one to whom I can say those three magic words....."are you 18?")
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To: Plumberman27
Even though the ref tried to screw the STeelers they still won! If anyone out here can believe the non interception call

It wasnt an interception, it was ruled an interception on the field, after review it was overturned. Why? Because in the rules thier is a note that says , "when going to the ground the reciever must maintain possession of the ball though the entire catch. im paraphrasing. But i have NFL network and watch that show when the head referee comes on every week and talks about the "bad or missed calls" he talked about this type of play last week because Tampa had the same thing happen to them, only it wasnt an interception it was a could have been a touchdown.

35 posted on 01/15/2006 11:35:37 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: TheBigB
"So I'm an idiot, huh, Peyton? Well, I'm gonna make sure YOU'RE still a loser!"

Exactly and Tom Brady is great because he got the Tuck Rule named after him and because he has Adam Vinatieri.. sheesh

36 posted on 01/15/2006 11:40:38 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

We all know what the NFL has tried to use as justification. A screw-up is a screw-up ... he had possession and it should have been a fumble by Troy. The other mistake was Troy not picking up the ball and running it into the endzone.

That way, national pressure would have been put on this incompetent decision maker's plate (review board).


37 posted on 01/16/2006 1:52:09 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: Echo Talon

It was an interception and they blew the call. The fix was in and everyone knows the fix got put out the door.
How could anyone even consider letting a high school principal ref a game. The guy should be fined for a p*ss poor job. You sound like a liberal democrat with your "by the rules", statement. It's football and he had clear possession. He caught the ball and then tried to run if you read the rules a bit futher you will see it WAS a catch. He had possession, he then tried to run. Look at it this way. A reciever catches the ball on the ground, then while getting up he fumbles the ball. oops, like i said "he catches the ball. Sounds like a catch to me.


38 posted on 01/16/2006 1:59:52 AM PST by Plumberman27
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To: Plumberman27

Watch NFL Network on wendsday, The head ref will be on and i guarantee you he is going to say, "the rule states when your going to the ground must maintain possession thoughout the process of the catch, since his knee was on the ground when he dropped it incomplete" when i saw the replay i knew it was incomplete because i heard the explanation last week from the tampa game, same thing.


39 posted on 01/16/2006 3:46:49 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Plumberman27
then while getting up he fumbles the ball. oops, like i said "he catches the ball. Sounds like a catch to me.

The tampa reciever caught the ball in the endzone 2 feet down 2 knees down, IN THE END ZONE then when he hit the ground the ball came loose. its the same thing since the steelers players knee was still on the ground.

40 posted on 01/16/2006 3:49:35 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: mcg2000
NO, the rule book need to be changed by the competition committee
41 posted on 01/16/2006 3:51:08 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: mcg2000

LOL bump


42 posted on 01/16/2006 11:47:40 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (“Excuse me, do you realise your horse is gay?”)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Vanderjact also choked in overtime during the Pro Bowl 2 years ago.

Pro Bowl 55-52, the idiot kicker chokes!(last, last, last chance for football)

43 posted on 01/16/2006 11:49:46 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (“Excuse me, do you realise your horse is gay?”)
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To: Echo Talon

Polamalu's interception stands after all
Monday, January 16, 2006

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Upon further and further review, Troy Polamalu's interception stands.


Matt Freed, Post-Gazette
Troy Polamalu sees the ball drop to the ground after an apparent interception. However, the play was ruled an incomplete pass after Indianapolis challenged the call.
Click photo for larger image.

The NFL today admitted that referee Peter Morelli erred when he overturned Polamalu's interception in the fourth quarter of Sunday's AFC divisional playoff game between the Steelers and Colts in Indianapolis.

Polamalu intercepted Peyton Manning on a play that started with 5:33 left and the Steelers leading 21-10. Polamalu fell to the ground and rolled over, untouched. As he stood up to run, his left knee knocked the ball out of his arm. Polamalu fell on the ball and the officials ruled it an interception and a recovery of his own fumble.

Colts coach Tony Dungy challenged it, and after looking at replay, Morelli overturned it and called it an incompletion.

"Before he got up he hit it with his leg with his other leg still on the ground," Morelli told a pool reporter after the game. "Therefore, he did not complete the catch. And then he lost the ball. It came out and so we made the play an incomplete pass."

Wrong, his boss said today.

"The definition of a catch -- or in this case an interception -- states that in the process of making the catch a player must maintain possession of the ball after he contacts the ground," said Mike Pereira, NFL vice president of officiating, in a statement.

"The initial call on the field was that Troy Polamalu intercepted the pass because he maintained possession of the ball after hitting the ground. The replay showed that Polamalu had rolled over and was rising to his feet when the ball came loose. He maintained possession long enough to establish a catch. Therefore, the replay review should have upheld the call on the field that it was a catch and fumble."

Morelli further tried to explain his decision on Sunday when he said that Polamalu "never had possession with his leg up off the ground doing an act common to the game of football. He was losing it while his leg was still on the ground."

Wrong again, Pereira said.

"The rule regarding the performing of an act common to the game applies when there is contact with a defensive player and the ball comes loose, which did not happen here."




44 posted on 01/16/2006 2:32:28 PM PST by Plumberman27
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To: Plumberman27

Then the whole league is a farce, because Tampa should have beat the Redskins. I used the same explanation that they gave for that game. Maybe the NFL needs to go to a College style replay having it up in the box with more than one guy looking at it, unless the NFL wants to have 1 guy to be able to scapegoat.



45 posted on 01/16/2006 4:34:50 PM PST by Echo Talon
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