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Troy Polamalu-(A Football Move)-The Zebra's 9th Circuit
Free Republic ^ | 1/16/06 | beyond the sea

Posted on 01/16/2006 6:48:08 AM PST by beyond the sea

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To: Vinnie
There was a face-mask penalty assessed which negated the touchback. That is why they retained possession of the ball.
141 posted on 01/16/2006 8:35:36 AM PST by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
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To: maineman

Manning blamed his teammates ("we had protection problems"). I didn't see any muscle man pose, but I'll take your word for it. I doubt Belichick would do it, Mr Sweats and messy hair is pre-ocupied with the next game once the final whistle blows, and given how out of shape Holmgren is I sure hope he wouldn't do it cause it would be sad.

Absolutely not. Going for it on 4th was exactly the right call. Check out Tuesday Mornning Quarterback some time. He regularly complains about wussy punts in what he calls "the maroon zone", a punt won't gain you many yards and sends a message of wimpiness to your team, going for it sends a positive message to your team and if you make it keeps the ball which in the case of this game meant taking another 2 1/2 minutes off the clock and helping to secure your lead. Both those 4th and short attempts were the right call.

Network execs freak out all the time. It's not gonna happen. The ratings were fine for Pats and Carolina, fine for Rams and Pats, fine for Bucs and Raiders, they'll be fine for any combo of the 4 surviving teams. Just because you're not planning an SB party means nothing, the plural of annecdote isn't fact. The SB is still the biggest game of the year and most of the audience isn't even traditional football fans.


142 posted on 01/16/2006 8:35:51 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: discostu

I agree with your take on this discostu. In my opinion you go for the jugular. Too many teams come back, no matter how improbable when you dont go for the kill. Bus fumbling was such a low probabilty vs Bus scoring.

Finish the opponent off and put them out of their misery every chance you get is my football motto.


143 posted on 01/16/2006 8:37:51 AM PST by A message
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To: steveegg

I think it's safe to say that the networks have no influence over the outcome of NFL games. If they did, you never would have seen so many bad ratings-generating teams make it to the Super Bowl in recent years (Carolina, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, etc.).


144 posted on 01/16/2006 8:39:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: Alberta's Child

That's only because NBC hasn't been in the mix the last few years. Now that they're there, expect a heavy dose of teams with "New" in their name, especially in years that NBC broadcasts the Super Bowl.


145 posted on 01/16/2006 8:42:04 AM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: JeffAtlanta

"Push the envelope" is a euphmism for mugging receivers. congratulations to the Steelers.


146 posted on 01/16/2006 8:42:33 AM PST by wordsofearnest (Bring Back Torre)
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To: evets

That tackle will be a defining moment for Big Ben. If things go well for them the rest of the postseason, they'll still be talking about it in Pittsburgh bars in 50 years.


147 posted on 01/16/2006 8:43:07 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Greatness is not appreciated until it is gone)
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To: discostu
And let's not forget the mighty tuck rule which is still on the books.

And it will remain there until it benefits Al Davis.

148 posted on 01/16/2006 8:43:29 AM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: maineman

We certainly appreciate your accurate analysis of any and all situations.


149 posted on 01/16/2006 8:43:54 AM PST by TheBigB ("Pitts. has no chance indoors against Indy. NONE."~~maineman)
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To: Fury
When the NFL has to rely on nuance in order to make a call, the NFL is in trouble. Part of the appeal of the NFL is the excitement and hard hitting action of games.

I understand what you are saying, but there has to rules to determine was is a catch and what isn't. I know it seems simple and the majority of the plays it is black and white. With some plays, however, it can get complicated.

Let's say a receiver jumps in the air, catches the ball and is immediately hit by a defender, lands on his back and the ball pops out. Is that a catch or not?

150 posted on 01/16/2006 8:45:50 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: discostu

I'm a big fan of Roethlisberger. Good Ohio roots and a terrific player. His style of play fits in perfectly with the Steelers. And Bettis is a class-act, and I'm happy he doesn't have that debacle as the final moment in his career.


151 posted on 01/16/2006 8:46:30 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Greatness is not appreciated until it is gone)
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To: JeffAtlanta
In this case, stumbling to the ground is not considered a football move. From what I gathered from the explanation on the field, the defender could not make a football move until his knees were off of the ground. That was a nuance that I was unaware of, but I am assuming that the guys in the booth had the rule book with them and plenty of time to figure it out.

Hold on a minute. If Polamalu would've just lied there on his back, and waited for a Colts' player to touch him down, would it not have been an interception? What kind of "football move" would lying down be?

152 posted on 01/16/2006 8:48:29 AM PST by Lou L
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To: JeffAtlanta

Let's say a receiver jumps in the air, catches the ball and is immediately hit by a defender, lands on his back and the ball pops out. Is that a catch or not?

That happens in just about every game I ever watch. It's not a catch because he never "had contol".


153 posted on 01/16/2006 8:48:42 AM PST by battletank
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To: beyond the sea
I was in a bind yesterday, because I like both the Colts and the Steelers. On the whole, I was pulling for the Colts in this one, because it was "their year". Of course, they sure didn't play like it.

So, all that said, I told Mrs. kevkrom at the time that the Colts will challenge the call, and lose the challenge, but there was a small chance that it would be overturned. The refs have been extremely strict on the ruling of going to the ground when catching the ball, that the ball cannot come loose at all. I still think it was a bad reversal, but based on the way the Redskins lucked out over Tamp Bay the previous week, it's not exactly that different than other calls made during the playoffs.

There was a similar reversal during the Bears/Panthers game that took away a legitimate TD from Peppers after a fumble recovery.

154 posted on 01/16/2006 8:48:46 AM PST by kevkrom (I broke the dam.)
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To: Wolfie
If Polamalu stays on the ground and never makes any move of any kind until touched by a Colt, its not an interception?

Exactly. And what kind of football move is "lying on the ground?"

155 posted on 01/16/2006 8:50:46 AM PST by Lou L
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To: battletank
That happens in just about every game I ever watch. It's not a catch because he never "had contol".

No, it is not a catch because he didn't make a football move. The receiver had control - the back is the same thing as two feet.

See what I mean, it's not as simple as it seems.

156 posted on 01/16/2006 8:50:55 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
Let's say a receiver jumps in the air, catches the ball and is immediately hit by a defender, lands on his back and the ball pops out. Is that a catch or not?

No catch because the player has to maintain control of the ball through contact with the ground. Indeed, that rule was changed a couple years ago to make that specific (before, it had been a judgement call of whether the contact with the defender-incomplete or contact with the ground after contact with the defender-typically complete had caused the ball to pop out).

157 posted on 01/16/2006 8:52:21 AM PST by steveegg (Take two - throw those long knives at the DemonRATs and lieberals - and include the RINOs)
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To: Lou L
Hold on a minute. If Polamalu would've just lied there on his back, and waited for a Colts' player to touch him down, would it not have been an interception?

It would have been a catch since the play would have been over.

I know the rules sometimes result in counterintuitive situations - they do work most of the time though. Maybe the whole "football move" rule needs to be polished a bit.

158 posted on 01/16/2006 8:53:10 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

You said "immediately". If the ball is "caught" and he's immediately hit and it pops out...it's not a catch. I see it every single weekend and just about every single game.


159 posted on 01/16/2006 8:53:56 AM PST by battletank
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To: beyond the sea

I suppose if he had dragged his right knee for 5 yards (like a drunken Ted Kennedy) and then fumbled and recovered his fumble it would have still been an incomplete pass according to the "Football Move" rule.

My wife asked, "What happened?" and I said the refs just made one up to keep the Colts in the game.

- A former Colts fan - Baltimore Colts that is.


160 posted on 01/16/2006 8:55:39 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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