Skip to comments.Falcons' QB Vick defends his troubled brother(rules apply to others only)
Posted on 01/26/2006 6:32:25 AM PST by cweese
ATLANTA -- Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick believes Virginia Tech overreacted when the school dismissed his brother, Marcus, from the football team after he stomped on an opposing player during the Gator Bowl.
Marcus Vick later claimed the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Louisville's Elvis Dumervil, but the All-American defensive end denied receiving an apology.
Michael Vick, who led Virginia Tech to the 1999 national title game as a redshirt freshman, was at the Gator Bowl and saw his brother step on Dumervil.
"Sometimes your emotions just take over," Michael Vick said during halftime Wednesday night of the Atlanta Hawks' game against the Cleveland Cavaliers. "I know Marcus. He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose. That's just something he's got to live with, and now it's just time to move on."
Marcus Vick's Gator Bowl antics came after he received a speeding ticket on Dec. 17 in Hampton, Va., for driving with a suspended license.
He had been under a "zero tolerance" policy at Virginia Tech following his suspension from the university for the 2004 season after several legal problems.
Earlier this month, just three days after being kicked off the football team, Vick was arrested and charged with pulling a gun on three teenagers in Virginia.
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The guy is a thug and he's trouble. There is not enough time between now and the draft for him to grow up.
Vick was removed from the team for the ticket and the stomping incident, not for either one. He had one last shot and he blew it. VT was more than patient with Marcus.
Sounds like he has a promising career with the Raiders.
...so then he was catered to,propped up,and he failed to improve and NOW the university has problems...should have been dealt with back in "04"
Yes, I lost all respect for Beamer by his continued pampering and catering to this thug. But, in hindsight, it does seem that Va. Tech has been a dirty team for several years now.
I wonder how much more patience Atlanta fans are going to have with Michael Vick.
The elder Vick's mouth is slowly making its way into Terrell Owens territory. Oh yeah, his on-the-field production isn't exactly living up to the hype either.
It occurs to me that "forgiveness" is when a victim says, "You did bad things to me -- but don't beat yourself up about it anymore. You can move on. It's OK."
Nowadays perpetrators handle it differently: "Yeah, I did bad things. Who the **** cares? Move on already!"
...so we can expect him to scream "RACISM!!" and then claim that he was "only trying to save the athletic programs at Virginia Tech".
WWWD - (What Would Woody Do?)
Catered??? They kicked him off the team for a year. He only came back after jumping through a bunch of hoops that Beamer put up. No one thought he would come back because of the conditions. But he did so Beamer kept his promise.
""I know Marcus. He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose. "
And yet...he's the kid that DID do it on purpose. I'm confused.
Yea. It's not like Marcus gave some girl herpes while using a false name like Joe Canada.
Yup. I don't think anyone (including the Raiders :-) will touch him.
A certain Vince Young is about to make the Vick's look like amateurs on the field.
I've always supported VT (except when they play FSU) and been very impressed with Beamer. That all changed watching the ACC championship. The Tech players were nasty (how do you get 2 personal fouls when the other team is taking a knee??) and Beamer was a cry baby.
yes catered to...and why should there have been any promises,or hoops for that matter, are we saying that all of a sudden college life was too difficult? Pulling a gun on someone is the usual? You think that was the first time he held a gun?. I forget...why was he holding a gun on someone? Robbery?
He didn't pull a gun on anyone while he was a VT so the point is moot.
I doubt that. Running QB's have a short life span against real defenses. VY will play good until he tries one of his fancy "scrambles" one time to many and Joey Porter, Willy McGinest, Roy Williams, Urlacher, or someone of that caliber knocks him into yesterday. The bosses will tell him to stop running and he is only an above avergae passer and Polomalu, Vasher, Asante Samuels and others will cure that.
- September 2003-Suspended by Coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason
- February 2004-Arrested and charged with four misdemeanors: three for allegedly allowing underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond
- May 2004-Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250
- July 2004-Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop
- July 2004-Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems
- August 2004-Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleaded guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession
- January 2005-Cleared to rejoin football team and re-enroll at Virginia Tech
- January 2006-Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA leader in sacks. Claimed the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denied ever receiving apology
- January 2006-Kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble (driving with a suspended license in December) and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl
A reporter caught up with Marcus just hours after he had been kicked off the team by Virginia Tech President Charles Steger. Staying classless as usual, Marcus said, "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby." Good call, Marc. Stay true to thyself-veritas, baby. Can anybody say Maurice Clarett? Vick may not fizzle as quickly as Clarett did, but the two do share the similarity of having a good ol' time by pulling guns on people in public places.
I rest my case
Suspended by Coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason
He went to an Atlanta Falcons football game after being told not to do it.
The girl retracted the sex story so it was dropped.
Mike intervened with Beamer to get Marcus another chance. Beamer responded with a list of conditions. Immediately, rumors began that Marcus was transferring to Georgia Southern because of the severity of the conditions. Amazingly, Marcus met the list of conditions and Beamer was honor bound to give him another chance.
In hindsight, many think Marcus should have been booted for life but it would have been difficult to kick someone off for the infractions listed. Regular students don't get the same penalty.
Probably not. Young will fall into the same trap.
The NFL game is built around the 6'-5" pocket passer with just enough escape ability to survive and leadership skills on par with MacArthur. Plenty of teams have tried to change the QB to a scrambler / college type - almost always with a distinct lack of playoff success.
QB's with the running ability of the Vicks and Young are only marginally faster than NFL defenders - even some linemen. They tend to expose such QB's as one-dimensional.
...let's see the severity of the conditions...???
and you don't get convicted on a dropped story
Hehe...we'll see, soon enough. I predict both of you will be dining on crow.
Other students aren't getting a paid for education either. It took me 5 years to pay of my loans.
They need to be held to a jigher standard if they want my money.
and the other five?
Marcus didn't need the money. Mike gave more than Marcus's tuition to VT.
The NFL game is built around the 6'-5" pocket passer with just enough escape ability to survive and leadership skills on par with MacArthur
By the way, Vince Young happens to be 6'5" and is on par with MacArthur in leadership skills. He's as mobile as any current NFL starting QB today, and then some. Then again, you probably thought 'SC was gonna pummel the Horns in the Rose Bowl. And you really think VY is going to turn into a punk like Marcus Vick?
We'll see. Young is an excellent college athlete, but he is an average pro. UT built their offense on the back of his threat to run out of the pocket so the opposing secondary had to play soft and be able to react.
He will not "run" out of the pocket in the pros when the other DE and LB's are as fast or faster and heavier than he is. Plus he has never had to read a good defense, he drops back and sees a rush the runs wherever his feet are pointing. He'd better start trying to polish his pass timing.
If they were smart they'd make him a WR and allow him to be one on one with a shorter defender and use his speed there.
I'm a big fan of BBQ'd crow. 8^)
I don't know if it pertains here, but I've seened the term coined "Roid Rage."
I've got just one thing to say...
That does not matter. If older brother gave money to VT it should be in the general fund and not earmarked for his brother. Other alums can't point to a student and say I want him/her to get "my" money.
If Vick wants to support his brother have him drop his scholarship and financially support him totally. It is not like he can't afford it.
Well, I don't know if there are any better defenses in college football than Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC, and Penn St. He beat 3 of those in the past 2 years. He's just so fast, as fast as Mike Vick ever was. That plus his size make him a big threat for NFL defenses, IMO. Granted, it's a much bigger game in the pros...I'm just more optimistic I guess.
No college team can beat a pro team. The intensity level is just to far off ( and that comes from retired NFL players and college players who are not conceited and will admit that once they move up ).
He no doubt will be a franchise player as long as he listens to his offensive coordinator and only runs when he really, really has too. That will allow his career to be long.
No college team can beat a pro team.
I agree with that. He's not going to be an immediate impact player, but once he's learned enough of the playbook to take the field, he should impress quite a few folks with his raw athleticism. He's come a long way in the 3 years he played at Texas.
I would expect him to cover his brother. I am certain I would cover mine as well. However......
He's wrong. Totally, completely and unequivocally. He probably knows it too. The only reason Marcus Vick was on the team after his first run-ins with the law was because of the name on the back of his Jersey.
Maybe. VY won't be rushing for 200 yards in the NFL, but he may be able to scramble for key first downs. He may have trouble against good pass coverage--during the Rose Bowl he was throwing to wide open receivers every time and hasn't really been tested--but he might throw well enough, especially if he ends up with a team with a good running threat. QB is the hardest position to transition to from college. He may be a great one, or he may fizzle. I wish him well.
When the LB has the angle on you, 4.6 is noticeable all right. You'll notice that you're coming back to consciousness while looking out the earhole of your helmet. 8^)
I'm not saying that speed isn't a helpful ingredient. What I am saying is that Vick has been a disappointment highlighted by an occasional superhuman play. He needs to become a real QB - his legs aren't going to last forever.
Stay safe, Mike.
you're right, his legs won't last forever, but my guess is that we will see a big improvement in Vick over the next 3 years.
the word out of the Falcons camp is that Vick is much sharper in practice than he is in the games. One person (I can't remember his name but he was on the Eagles staff when they were having the same problems with McNabb) said that Vick is still in the developing stages in his career. We have to remember that although he's been in the league for 5 years, he's ONLY 25.
Vick is still fast enough to outrun the angle BTW. Young isn't and probably little brother Vick isn't, but Michael Vick is the fastest of the 3 anyway.
Yup, that was a GREAT game last year in Columbus. I look forward Sept. 9th's matchup this year. I think VY is going to prove a lot of people wrong when he finds his groove in the pros. Afterall, most of the ESPN 'experts' have had to gorge themselves on crow since Jan. 4th. Except for Lou Holtz and Lee Corso, all of their resident football 'experts' were wrong about UT and VY.
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