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Falcons' QB Vick defends his troubled brother(rules apply to others only)
ESPN ^ | January 25, 2006 | AP via ESPN

Posted on 01/26/2006 6:32:25 AM PST by cweese

ATLANTA -- Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick believes Virginia Tech overreacted when the school dismissed his brother, Marcus, from the football team after he stomped on an opposing player during the Gator Bowl.

Marcus Vick later claimed the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Louisville's Elvis Dumervil, but the All-American defensive end denied receiving an apology.

Michael Vick, who led Virginia Tech to the 1999 national title game as a redshirt freshman, was at the Gator Bowl and saw his brother step on Dumervil.

"Sometimes your emotions just take over," Michael Vick said during halftime Wednesday night of the Atlanta Hawks' game against the Cleveland Cavaliers. "I know Marcus. He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose. That's just something he's got to live with, and now it's just time to move on."

Marcus Vick's Gator Bowl antics came after he received a speeding ticket on Dec. 17 in Hampton, Va., for driving with a suspended license.

He had been under a "zero tolerance" policy at Virginia Tech following his suspension from the university for the 2004 season after several legal problems.

Earlier this month, just three days after being kicked off the football team, Vick was arrested and charged with pulling a gun on three teenagers in Virginia.

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KEYWORDS: collegefootball; expelled; football; marcus; nfl; ronmexico; sports; thuglife; vatech; vick; vicksnextvic; virginia
I wonder how much interest the NFL's going to have with this 'standout'.
1 posted on 01/26/2006 6:32:26 AM PST by cweese
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To: cweese

The guy is a thug and he's trouble. There is not enough time between now and the draft for him to grow up.


2 posted on 01/26/2006 6:33:25 AM PST by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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To: cweese

Vick was removed from the team for the ticket and the stomping incident, not for either one. He had one last shot and he blew it. VT was more than patient with Marcus.


3 posted on 01/26/2006 6:35:08 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: cweese

Sounds like he has a promising career with the Raiders.

*ducking*


4 posted on 01/26/2006 6:36:23 AM PST by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Glenn
This guy gets his career advice from Maurice Claret.
5 posted on 01/26/2006 6:38:19 AM PST by DOGEY
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To: cweese
He had been under a "zero tolerance" policy at Virginia Tech following his suspension from the university for the 2004 season after several legal problems.

...so then he was catered to,propped up,and he failed to improve and NOW the university has problems...should have been dealt with back in "04"

6 posted on 01/26/2006 6:40:26 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Doogle

Yes, I lost all respect for Beamer by his continued pampering and catering to this thug. But, in hindsight, it does seem that Va. Tech has been a dirty team for several years now.


7 posted on 01/26/2006 6:43:20 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: cweese
I wonder how much interest the NFL's going to have with this 'standout'.

I wonder how much more patience Atlanta fans are going to have with Michael Vick.

The elder Vick's mouth is slowly making its way into Terrell Owens territory. Oh yeah, his on-the-field production isn't exactly living up to the hype either.

8 posted on 01/26/2006 6:44:46 AM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: cweese
now it's just time to move on

It occurs to me that "forgiveness" is when a victim says, "You did bad things to me -- but don't beat yourself up about it anymore. You can move on. It's OK."

Nowadays perpetrators handle it differently: "Yeah, I did bad things. Who the **** cares? Move on already!"

9 posted on 01/26/2006 6:45:32 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: DOGEY
This guy gets his career advice from Maurice Claret.

...so we can expect him to scream "RACISM!!" and then claim that he was "only trying to save the athletic programs at Virginia Tech".

WWWD - (What Would Woody Do?)

10 posted on 01/26/2006 6:47:13 AM PST by martin gibson (I know not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death!!!)
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To: Doogle

Catered??? They kicked him off the team for a year. He only came back after jumping through a bunch of hoops that Beamer put up. No one thought he would come back because of the conditions. But he did so Beamer kept his promise.


11 posted on 01/26/2006 6:48:13 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: cweese

""I know Marcus. He's not the kind of kid that's going to do something like that on purpose. "


And yet...he's the kid that DID do it on purpose. I'm confused.


12 posted on 01/26/2006 6:50:28 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: cweese
Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick believes Virginia Tech overreacted when the school dismissed his brother, Marcus, from the football team after he stomped on an opposing player during the Gator Bowl.

Yea. It's not like Marcus gave some girl herpes while using a false name like Joe Canada.

13 posted on 01/26/2006 6:51:08 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: Glenn

Yup. I don't think anyone (including the Raiders :-) will touch him.


14 posted on 01/26/2006 6:53:31 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: AngryJawa

A certain Vince Young is about to make the Vick's look like amateurs on the field.


15 posted on 01/26/2006 6:56:24 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: MBB1984

I've always supported VT (except when they play FSU) and been very impressed with Beamer. That all changed watching the ACC championship. The Tech players were nasty (how do you get 2 personal fouls when the other team is taking a knee??) and Beamer was a cry baby.


16 posted on 01/26/2006 7:14:38 AM PST by elc
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To: AppyPappy
They kicked him off the team for a year

yes catered to...and why should there have been any promises,or hoops for that matter, are we saying that all of a sudden college life was too difficult? Pulling a gun on someone is the usual? You think that was the first time he held a gun?. I forget...why was he holding a gun on someone? Robbery?

17 posted on 01/26/2006 7:23:32 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Doogle

He didn't pull a gun on anyone while he was a VT so the point is moot.


18 posted on 01/26/2006 7:26:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: cweese

I doubt that. Running QB's have a short life span against real defenses. VY will play good until he tries one of his fancy "scrambles" one time to many and Joey Porter, Willy McGinest, Roy Williams, Urlacher, or someone of that caliber knocks him into yesterday. The bosses will tell him to stop running and he is only an above avergae passer and Polomalu, Vasher, Asante Samuels and others will cure that.


19 posted on 01/26/2006 7:30:56 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: AppyPappy

- September 2003-Suspended by Coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason

- February 2004-Arrested and charged with four misdemeanors: three for allegedly allowing underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond

- May 2004-Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250

- July 2004-Charged with reckless driving and possession of marijuana after a traffic stop

- July 2004-Indefinitely suspended from football team for off-field problems

- August 2004-Suspended from the university for the 2004 season on same day he pleaded guilty to reckless driving and no contest to marijuana possession

- January 2005-Cleared to rejoin football team and re-enroll at Virginia Tech

- January 2006-Leads Virginia Tech to a 35-24 win over Louisville in Gator Bowl. In the game, he stomped on the left calf of All-American defensive end Elvis Dumervil, the NCAA leader in sacks. Claimed the incident was accidental and that he apologized to Dumervil, who denied ever receiving apology

- January 2006-Kicked off team at Virginia Tech for legal trouble (driving with a suspended license in December) and unsportsmanlike conduct in Gator Bowl

A reporter caught up with Marcus just hours after he had been kicked off the team by Virginia Tech President Charles Steger. Staying classless as usual, Marcus said, "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby." Good call, Marc. Stay true to thyself-veritas, baby. Can anybody say Maurice Clarett? Vick may not fizzle as quickly as Clarett did, but the two do share the similarity of having a good ol' time by pulling guns on people in public places.


I rest my case











20 posted on 01/26/2006 7:34:38 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Doogle

Suspended by Coach Frank Beamer for undisclosed reason

He went to an Atlanta Falcons football game after being told not to do it.

The girl retracted the sex story so it was dropped.

Mike intervened with Beamer to get Marcus another chance. Beamer responded with a list of conditions. Immediately, rumors began that Marcus was transferring to Georgia Southern because of the severity of the conditions. Amazingly, Marcus met the list of conditions and Beamer was honor bound to give him another chance.

In hindsight, many think Marcus should have been booted for life but it would have been difficult to kick someone off for the infractions listed. Regular students don't get the same penalty.


21 posted on 01/26/2006 7:40:39 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: cweese
A certain Vince Young is about to make the Vick's look like amateurs on the field.

Probably not. Young will fall into the same trap.

The NFL game is built around the 6'-5" pocket passer with just enough escape ability to survive and leadership skills on par with MacArthur. Plenty of teams have tried to change the QB to a scrambler / college type - almost always with a distinct lack of playoff success.

QB's with the running ability of the Vicks and Young are only marginally faster than NFL defenders - even some linemen. They tend to expose such QB's as one-dimensional.

22 posted on 01/26/2006 7:42:59 AM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: AppyPappy
Mike intervened with Beamer to get Marcus another chance. Beamer responded with a list of conditions. Immediately, rumors began that Marcus was transferring to Georgia Southern because of the severity of the conditions

...let's see the severity of the conditions...???

23 posted on 01/26/2006 7:45:16 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Doogle
Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250

and you don't get convicted on a dropped story

24 posted on 01/26/2006 7:47:38 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Doogle
Four of the nine items you list in your case that Marcus was "catered to" were stiff punishments meted out to Marcus by Virginia Tech.
25 posted on 01/26/2006 8:20:08 AM PST by Physicist
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To: One Proud Dad; AngryJawa

Hehe...we'll see, soon enough. I predict both of you will be dining on crow.


26 posted on 01/26/2006 8:20:49 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: AppyPappy

Other students aren't getting a paid for education either. It took me 5 years to pay of my loans.

They need to be held to a jigher standard if they want my money.


27 posted on 01/26/2006 8:25:38 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Physicist

and the other five?


28 posted on 01/26/2006 8:27:20 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: One Proud Dad

Marcus didn't need the money. Mike gave more than Marcus's tuition to VT.


29 posted on 01/26/2006 8:27:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AngryJawa

The NFL game is built around the 6'-5" pocket passer with just enough escape ability to survive and leadership skills on par with MacArthur

By the way, Vince Young happens to be 6'5" and is on par with MacArthur in leadership skills. He's as mobile as any current NFL starting QB today, and then some. Then again, you probably thought 'SC was gonna pummel the Horns in the Rose Bowl. And you really think VY is going to turn into a punk like Marcus Vick?


30 posted on 01/26/2006 8:28:43 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: cweese
Such a nice boy.

31 posted on 01/26/2006 8:29:29 AM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: cweese

We'll see. Young is an excellent college athlete, but he is an average pro. UT built their offense on the back of his threat to run out of the pocket so the opposing secondary had to play soft and be able to react.

He will not "run" out of the pocket in the pros when the other DE and LB's are as fast or faster and heavier than he is. Plus he has never had to read a good defense, he drops back and sees a rush the runs wherever his feet are pointing. He'd better start trying to polish his pass timing.

If they were smart they'd make him a WR and allow him to be one on one with a shorter defender and use his speed there.


32 posted on 01/26/2006 8:30:10 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: cweese
Indeed, we shall see.

I'm a big fan of BBQ'd crow. 8^)

33 posted on 01/26/2006 8:31:21 AM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: cweese

I don't know if it pertains here, but I've seened the term coined "Roid Rage."


34 posted on 01/26/2006 8:32:48 AM PST by roadrunner96
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To: cweese

I've got just one thing to say...

...¡Viva Mexico!


35 posted on 01/26/2006 8:33:24 AM PST by RichInOC (I'd like to thank Michael Vick for helping to make 2005 a very funny year in sports.)
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To: AppyPappy

That does not matter. If older brother gave money to VT it should be in the general fund and not earmarked for his brother. Other alums can't point to a student and say I want him/her to get "my" money.

If Vick wants to support his brother have him drop his scholarship and financially support him totally. It is not like he can't afford it.


36 posted on 01/26/2006 8:33:42 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad

Well, I don't know if there are any better defenses in college football than Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC, and Penn St. He beat 3 of those in the past 2 years. He's just so fast, as fast as Mike Vick ever was. That plus his size make him a big threat for NFL defenses, IMO. Granted, it's a much bigger game in the pros...I'm just more optimistic I guess.


37 posted on 01/26/2006 9:24:04 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: cweese

No college team can beat a pro team. The intensity level is just to far off ( and that comes from retired NFL players and college players who are not conceited and will admit that once they move up ).

He no doubt will be a franchise player as long as he listens to his offensive coordinator and only runs when he really, really has too. That will allow his career to be long.


38 posted on 01/26/2006 9:33:45 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: One Proud Dad

No college team can beat a pro team.

I agree with that. He's not going to be an immediate impact player, but once he's learned enough of the playbook to take the field, he should impress quite a few folks with his raw athleticism. He's come a long way in the 3 years he played at Texas.


39 posted on 01/26/2006 9:36:36 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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40 posted on 01/26/2006 3:18:59 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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I would expect him to cover his brother. I am certain I would cover mine as well. However......

He's wrong. Totally, completely and unequivocally. He probably knows it too. The only reason Marcus Vick was on the team after his first run-ins with the law was because of the name on the back of his Jersey.


41 posted on 01/26/2006 3:25:22 PM PST by MikefromOhio (The Pot is complaining about the Kettle's complexion....)
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To: AngryJawa
QB's with the running ability of the Vicks and Young are only marginally faster than NFL defenders - even some linemen. They tend to expose such QB's as one-dimensional.

the difference between 4.1 and 4.6 is quite noticable.....
42 posted on 01/26/2006 3:26:54 PM PST by MikefromOhio (The Pot is complaining about the Kettle's complexion....)
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To: One Proud Dad

Maybe. VY won't be rushing for 200 yards in the NFL, but he may be able to scramble for key first downs. He may have trouble against good pass coverage--during the Rose Bowl he was throwing to wide open receivers every time and hasn't really been tested--but he might throw well enough, especially if he ends up with a team with a good running threat. QB is the hardest position to transition to from college. He may be a great one, or he may fizzle. I wish him well.


43 posted on 01/26/2006 3:29:50 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Moderates do not make history)
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To: MikeinIraq
the difference between 4.1 and 4.6 is quite noticable.....

When the LB has the angle on you, 4.6 is noticeable all right. You'll notice that you're coming back to consciousness while looking out the earhole of your helmet. 8^)

I'm not saying that speed isn't a helpful ingredient. What I am saying is that Vick has been a disappointment highlighted by an occasional superhuman play. He needs to become a real QB - his legs aren't going to last forever.

Stay safe, Mike.

44 posted on 01/26/2006 3:37:28 PM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: AngryJawa

you're right, his legs won't last forever, but my guess is that we will see a big improvement in Vick over the next 3 years.

the word out of the Falcons camp is that Vick is much sharper in practice than he is in the games. One person (I can't remember his name but he was on the Eagles staff when they were having the same problems with McNabb) said that Vick is still in the developing stages in his career. We have to remember that although he's been in the league for 5 years, he's ONLY 25.

Vick is still fast enough to outrun the angle BTW. Young isn't and probably little brother Vick isn't, but Michael Vick is the fastest of the 3 anyway.


45 posted on 01/26/2006 3:41:51 PM PST by MikefromOhio (The Pot is complaining about the Kettle's complexion....)
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To: cweese
I'm a Buckeye fan who has the greatest respect for Vince Young. To me , he is a Daunte Culpepper+ but more important what Vince Young brings to the table is he is a winner.

He has that " Tom Brady" intangible of a guy that doesn't quit, doesn't panic and can win the big game in the 4th quarter no matter how tough the opponent.

In a few years football fans will be saying , Vick?, who? about either brother.

On the other hand, I think Vince will be around for a long time and I hope he has a great professional career.

By the way Horns fan, we Buckeyes are coming into your stadium next year. It will be a great game.
46 posted on 01/26/2006 4:21:02 PM PST by A message
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To: A message

Yup, that was a GREAT game last year in Columbus. I look forward Sept. 9th's matchup this year. I think VY is going to prove a lot of people wrong when he finds his groove in the pros. Afterall, most of the ESPN 'experts' have had to gorge themselves on crow since Jan. 4th. Except for Lou Holtz and Lee Corso, all of their resident football 'experts' were wrong about UT and VY.


47 posted on 01/27/2006 4:09:25 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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