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Refs were far from Super in this one
msn sports ^ | 2.06.2006 | Kevin Hench / FOXSports.com

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:50:28 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican

This is the space where I get to crow about the frightening precision of my Super Bowl prediction.

Where I get to remind everyone that I guaranteed the Steelers would win the title after they beat the Colts. That they were the only championship-caliber team among the final four. That they would dismantle the Broncos in Denver and waylay whomever the NFC sent at them.

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I've never felt so empty being right. I feel dirty. I wish I'd been wrong. The Steelers did not deserve to win this game. They were not the better team. O'Connor was right. Seattle was the better team.

So, Paul Tagliabue, how does a team lose when it outgains an opponent by 57 yards, controls time of possession and wins the turnover battle?

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Every single questionable, marginal or outright bad call went against the Seahawks....

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Interesting read.
1 posted on 02/06/2006 6:50:31 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

2 posted on 02/06/2006 6:52:36 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

"So, Paul Tagliabue, how does a team lose when it outgains an opponent by 57 yards, controls time of possession and wins the turnover battle?"

Errr.... the other one scores more points??

I agree the officiating sucked. There were a couple of real boners, but Pittsburgh still won decisively. The 2nd half wasn't even close.


3 posted on 02/06/2006 6:53:03 AM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
So, Paul Tagliabue, how does a team lose when it outgains an opponent by 57 yards, controls time of possession and wins the turnover battle?

You don't get points for outgaining your opponent, time of possession, and turnovers. Seattle couldn't put the ball in the endzone or kick a long field goal or move the ball in the red zone. That's how you win the statistics and lose the game.

4 posted on 02/06/2006 6:55:12 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

i agree, Super Fraud XL


5 posted on 02/06/2006 6:55:17 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Every single questionable, marginal or outright bad call went against the Seahawks...."

I subscribe to the philosophy that bad calls balance out. But lately, it hasn't been working that way. What is worse, in the playoffs, and worse, the superbowl, the bad calls need to balance out in the same game, otherwise, the finality of it seems tragic. Getting bad calls on opponents to balance it out in next year's preseason is not balance at all.

I've seen a lot of teams hurt, even game's fates seemingly turned on bad calls in this post season. I genuinely hope this doesn't happen again next year.

This phenomenon, along with the longer advertising timeouts that make it seem like you are watching more ads than football, could spell the end of the NFLs golden eral.
6 posted on 02/06/2006 6:55:53 AM PST by z3n
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

You don't win on stats, you win on points, but the officiating in the playoffs and in the SuperBowl should be the best.


7 posted on 02/06/2006 6:55:57 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I have only seen worse officiating in the ACC.


8 posted on 02/06/2006 6:56:00 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: mbynack
Seattle couldn't put the ball in the endzone

Sure they did and could and the refs kept taking it away from them. Offensive interference, and Holding.

9 posted on 02/06/2006 6:56:40 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I didn't have a "horse" in this race, but I told my husband the officiating was reminding me of the scoring of a boxing match...more than a little suspect.


10 posted on 02/06/2006 6:56:52 AM PST by dawn53
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Let us not forget that the Seattle receivers appeared to be wearing boxing gloves and blind folds for much of the game.


11 posted on 02/06/2006 6:57:35 AM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: Paloma_55

Read through the article - I think bad calls made the difference here.


12 posted on 02/06/2006 6:57:48 AM PST by linear (Behind every good man is a woman lamenting that she married a lazy bum.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

It's a lot like basketball where the refs blow their whistles for every little touch of air that looks like some incidental contact may have occured. There should be rules that forbid the refs from making calls that are the result of incidental contact of a play and let them play!


13 posted on 02/06/2006 6:58:34 AM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican


No doubt...the worst officiated game I have ever watched. Not even instant replay was allowed to overturn bad calls....yeah, Rothlisberger really put that ball in the end zone all right, Not!


14 posted on 02/06/2006 6:59:20 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

You can't say even if the calls didn't go against Seattle, that Seattle would have won the game. Pittsburgh most likely would have done things differently, and perhaps still would have found a way to win the game. But we'll never know. But yes, the NFL botched this big time. Years from now, all that will be remembered about XL, is not Parker's TD run, but the bad officiating.


15 posted on 02/06/2006 6:59:42 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: linear

"Read through the article - I think bad calls made the difference here."

A 14 point swing of difference ... but let's not be picky.


16 posted on 02/06/2006 7:00:03 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Rothlisberger really put that ball in the end zone all right, Not!

That's the one call I think they actually did get right. The ball ever so briefly crossed the plane. At least there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call. However, the offensive interference and "phantom" holding calls were atrocious, and you can't review those calls. And the timing of those calls couldn't have been worse.

17 posted on 02/06/2006 7:01:22 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

The MVP award should go to the Refs.

The Refs determined the end result.

In so many ways, the Refs were terrible.


18 posted on 02/06/2006 7:01:30 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Echo Talon
"Seattle couldn't put the ball in the endzone"
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"Sure they did and could and the refs kept taking it away from them. Offensive interference, and Holding."
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Yeah. Those were the game killers. The nitpicky or marginal calls were the so-called low block (tackle), and the borderline QBsneak Touchdown.
19 posted on 02/06/2006 7:01:34 AM PST by z3n
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To: Paloma_55
I agree the officiating sucked. There were a couple of real boners, but Pittsburgh still won decisively. The 2nd half wasn't even close.

Exactly. Bottom line, the Steelers ended up with more points, and that's the only stat that matters - not yards, QB rating or anything else. I think the offensive pass interference call that cancelled out the Seattle TD was erroneous, but replays seemed to vindicate the refs on the other questionable ones. The game wasn't decided on a penalty or two - the Steelers outplayed the Hawks when it mattered.

20 posted on 02/06/2006 7:02:12 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: linear
I think bad calls made the difference here.

The difference was also Seattle's horrible clock management. Can't blame that one on the refs.

21 posted on 02/06/2006 7:02:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
So, Paul Tagliabue, how does a team lose when it outgains an opponent by 57 yards, controls time of possession and wins the turnover battle?

5-17 on third down.

Dropped passes.

2 missed FGs.

Horrendous clock management.

Whining about the officiating rather than playing the game.

22 posted on 02/06/2006 7:02:45 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Rothlisberger really put that ball in the end zone all right, Not!

The tip of the ball broke the plane, TD.

23 posted on 02/06/2006 7:03:13 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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Absolutely disagree, Football, like any other game is a game of momentum and points...the refs controlled both to the disadvantage of the Seahawks. The Steelers would have found themselves in a world of hurt had the refs not interferred, revised game plan or not.

It was so blatant that a convincing agruement can be made in this case that the refs caused the outcome of the game.


24 posted on 02/06/2006 7:03:57 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: steelcurtain

The luckiest person has to be Seattle's kicker. Lost in the fog of the officiating is the fact that he missed two crucial FGs, that could have made the difference. Yet nobody is harping on this.


25 posted on 02/06/2006 7:03:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: massgopguy
I have only seen worse officiating in the ACC.

Oh, I don't know. You can always count on bad officiating in a Notre Dame football game, where the refs will bend over backwards to help the Irish.

26 posted on 02/06/2006 7:04:06 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Every single questionable, marginal or outright bad call went against the Seahawks...."

Bull. There was a Seattle turnover that didn't happen (catch and fumble) because the official wrongly blew it dead as an incomplete pass -- not subject to review. None of the Seahawks mourners want to address that bad call, they only care about the calls that hurt them -- evewn the good ones.

27 posted on 02/06/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
And the whining continues...

Game's over, people. Steelers won. Get over it.

28 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:03 AM PST by TheBigB (The Steelers won. Deal with it. :o))
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To: dfwgator

Good point.


29 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:07 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

While the officiating was terrible, Seattle worked just as hard as the refs to make sure they lost the game. Clock management, "stone fingers" Stevens, sideline routes that stayed in bounds ... you name it. Not a pretty win for the Steelers, but a win ninetheless.


30 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:12 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("If I were a Cuban, I'd certainly be on a raft," Isane Aparicio Busto)
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To: dfwgator

We should all - Steeler fans too - get on this bad officiating. It has to stop.

Never mind the calls that gave and took away touchdowns - when you ignore the venerable "the ground can't cause a fumble" and throw a flag anyway and then (I admit this is when I turned the game off) aren't with it enough to pick up your flag but have to be reversed - when I read it was reversed I assumed by the booth, you shouldn't be officiating HS football let alone the SB.


31 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:16 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The Zebras affected this game to the max.

Negating one Hawk TD (which would have made it 10-0 and changed the complexion of the game), then killed another catch inside the 2 yard line that might have resulted in yet another TD with a bogus holding call.

32 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:18 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: mbynack
You don't get points for outgaining your opponent, time of possession, and turnovers.

That's the same thing as putting more stock in exit polls than the actual ballots cast.

33 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:29 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Must be just another crybaby Seahawks fan. Sure are a lot of them these days.
</sarcasm>


34 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:36 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: steelcurtain
You can always count on bad officiating in a Notre Dame football game, where the refs will bend over backwards to help the Irish.

Hmmmm, Bettis did go to Notre Dame.

35 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The Refs made the two Field Goal Attempts (Potential 6 points) go wide.../sarc

Seattle should have been ahead about 14-0 in the first half because the Steelers didn't even show up until after half time.

36 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:42 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Echo Talon

Just because Michael "cokehead" Irvin did it way back when, doesn't mean it's legal in the present form of the NFL.


37 posted on 02/06/2006 7:05:45 AM PST by SengirV
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To: frogjerk


Sure...the tip of the ball broke the plane in quantum space...didnt look like it to me.

In fact it only looked like he might have broke the plain after he was down and the ball had hit the ground.

This had to be the worst superbowl on record. The steelers looked bad, and the Seahawks didnt look much better.


38 posted on 02/06/2006 7:06:37 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: in hoc signo vinces

He put the football into the end zone...only after he was on the ground for a while.


39 posted on 02/06/2006 7:06:48 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: dfwgator

"The ball ever so briefly crossed the plane."

The NFL's Competition Committee needs to change this rule of the ball breaking the plane constitutes a TD. Bring back the days when the football had to physically end up in the endzone. This would enable the defense to use the sidelines for what it was intended...as the 12th defensive player. Instant replays seem to revolve around whether the ball had broken the plane.


40 posted on 02/06/2006 7:06:57 AM PST by goarmy (WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a retard.)
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To: Arkinsaw

Us Dallas Stars fans had to put up with the same crap from Sabres fans after we won the Stanley Cup. As if they just knew they were going to win game six anyway, even if Hull's goal was disallowed, AND game 7 in Dallas.


41 posted on 02/06/2006 7:07:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TheBigB
Game's over, people. Steelers won. Get over it.

Amen!

42 posted on 02/06/2006 7:07:19 AM PST by LilDarlin (Being very feminine got me this far; it will take me the rest of the way, too!)
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To: F16Fighter
Negating one Hawk TD (which would have made it 10-0 and changed the complexion of the game)

7-0, not 10-0. Seattle kicked the field goal after they were caught cheating on the "touchdown".

43 posted on 02/06/2006 7:07:22 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: dfwgator
You can always count on bad officiating in a Notre Dame football game, where the refs will bend over backwards to help the Irish.

Like when Reggie Bush pushed his man into the endzone right in front of the Ref during the decisive play in the Trojans vs. ND game this year? Ooooops, I killed your conspiracy theory...

44 posted on 02/06/2006 7:07:37 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
It's not a sport, it's organized athletic entertainment, run by a monopolistic franchise, along the lines of wrestling.
45 posted on 02/06/2006 7:07:36 AM PST by FreedomFarmer (Push Me, Shove You - Oh, Yeah? Says Who? Push Me, Shove You -Oh, Yeah? Says Who?)
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To: steelcurtain

Usually only at home games. It's also like playing in Yankee Stadium of the Montreal Forum.


46 posted on 02/06/2006 7:07:53 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Look at the photo of the writer of this foolish article. That should say it all ....... he's a funny-looking, pencil-necked, dinky dweeb ............. who knows nothing about COMPETING in sports.


47 posted on 02/06/2006 7:08:13 AM PST by beyond the sea (Cal Thomas: If only Robert Bork had cried ...................)
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To: TheBigB


Yeah...they won a game that bordered on comedy...lots to be proud of.


48 posted on 02/06/2006 7:08:25 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: dfwgator
"The difference was also Seattle's horrible clock management. Can't blame that one on the refs."

Thanks for bringing that up...The only thing worse was than Seattle's clock management was the Stones' halftime "entertainment" show.
49 posted on 02/06/2006 7:08:27 AM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: goarmy
Bring back the days when the football had to physically end up in the endzone.

The whole ball or just part of the ball? You see where I'm going here, right?

50 posted on 02/06/2006 7:08:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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