OK, fair enough.
The fact that you post on FR impinges on my right to my pusuit of happiness so QUIT POSTING!
Don't get all huffy. I'm only joking.
Posted on 02/06/2006 8:43:26 AM PST by joyspring777
OK, fair enough.
The fact that you post on FR impinges on my right to my pusuit of happiness so QUIT POSTING!
Don't get all huffy. I'm only joking.
You left out New Orleans. :-)
That sounds like something one of my best friends would say. In fact, one of them and I rode back from Denver last Saturday night for about an hour and a half...and he had me laughing all the way with one liner Constitutionals like that!!!
Where was I belligerent and what points that I made were ignorant? Did I say something false? Does Detroit not have too many moslems? Are certain neighborhoods in Cincinnatti not unsafe for non-residents? Is SE DC unsafe for non-residents after dark? (BTW a friend of mine who lived there at the time told me NEVER go in there as it wasn't safe)
Even Detroit has its good points.
I've never heard of any. What does Detroit have that I can't get elsewhere?
Insulting these cities insults them as well.
And how did I insult these cities by stating that I would never go there? Are the residents so thin skinned that the idea that someone else doesn't like cities destroys their self image?
The problem is that the koran itself is incompatible with our constitution. They can either be Americans or they can be moslems. The koran leaves them no other options
I don't believe the Koran FORCES any of them to kill or whatever. It is the verses taken out of context by lopside and twisted men
The problem is that those lopsided and twisted men are interpreting the koran exactly correctly. In order to evaluate a text you must consider the conditions under which it was written, internal consistency, and context of the individual verses. Strictly interpreting the koran according to the spirit in which it was written (That is, does this interpretation line up with Mohammed's other writings and the events of his day), the internal consistency (Is this interpretation consistent with the rest of the koran*) and the context of each verse leads to the conclusion that the taliban was the most correct practice of Islam.
Moslems who come here MUST reject those twisted beliefs, abide by our Constitutional system with it Bill of Rights...or go back home.
I agree Islam is incompatible with our Constitution.
* The koran already has major internal consistency failures as Mohammed seemed to write what would help him most at that time. Hoever internal consistency of each sura must still be taken into account. Fortunately each chapter is pretty internally consistent.
Actually I included SE DC and certain neighborhoods in Cincinnatti due to crime, San Fran due to leftist environmental whackos and homosexuals, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh due to general leftist leanings and being immensely filthy cities the last time I was there. LA due to traffic and hollywood culture, New England (except Maine), Austin TX and Madison Wi due to leftist influence (Maine may have the same leftist influence but the parts I was in tend to be more conservative and I like lobster), and Chicago due to size and sports rivalries (I grew up in Milwaukee), St Louis due to the world series vs the Brewers when they played the 6th game in the rain (resulting in St Louis winning) and the competition between Anheuser Busch and the Milwaukee breweries, and New York due mostly to the snobbish, arrogant "My poop don't stink" attitude that most New Yorkers I've met seem to have.
Detroit is (as I said previously) due to crime and too many moslems.
Nowhere did I say I hate any of these cities (although St Louis may come closest). Is it hate to avoid going someplace that you find unpleasant or unsafe and that is totally unnecessary for you to be in?
This is injurious to your emotional health, and makes you look quite intolerant.
A. It's not injurious to your mental health to recognize truth. Some places are just not fit for civilized people to live. (for the reasons I detailed above. Your mileage of course may vary)
B. Of course I'm intolerant. I'm a conservative. Truth wins over political correctness every time.
It's in the other ten or twenty. I was trying to be more compassionate to the folk who like that town. I was there in 90 or 91. I was most unimpressed. Can't really see a reason to rebuild it in the place it's in but that's a fight for another thread.
Joe and Terry say, no I need more $.
So, looking at this from the other side. We can equally safely assume that Joe and Terry said, "No thanks guys I have a life and it's more important than the superbowl. Pay me worth my time or don't. Your choice.", and the rest of them were just attention junkies "Look at me. Look at me. I'm a Superbowl MVP. (But I have nothing else important to do so I came here to be a media whore)"
You get in trouble when you start assumming things.
Detroit is not a big center for Moslems. You might be thinking of Dearborn's Arabs or Hamtramack. But many, if not most, of those of Arab descent in that area are Christian. Moslems are the LEAST of Detroit's problems.
Unsafe neighborhoods are not unusual for cities. Those who want to cower in the suburbs are welcome to do so. Most of the fear of crime in the cities is wildly overblown by media hysterics. My neighborhood in Chicago is likely safer than your home town. Most of the crime is concentrated in a few areas even a few blocks in cities.
Detroit has excellent restraunts, an fine art museum and one of the top ten orchestras in the nation. It also has professional sports teams, one of the largest commuter universities in the country and plenty of culture for those who care about such matters.
You believe swearing never to go there is not an insult? If I said I would never set foot in your home you would most definitely take that as an insult. Your comments merely make FR look like a gathering place for the misinformed or silly but certainly affects no one personally.
Highly unlikely. I live in a very small town in the middle of nowhere compared to Chicago. We don't have crime. I feel absolutely safe walking down any street in my town after dark. I'd not feel safe at any time walking down most streets in Chicago.
Detroit has ...
All of which can be gotten elsewhere without a trip to Detroit
You believe swearing never to go there is not an insult? If I said I would never set foot in your home you would most definitely take that as an insult.
Why? I don't know you. Why would I want you in my house? I actually take it as a good sign that you won't come here. That means you are minding your own business and not invading my space. How can that be insulting to anyone?
I have walked everywhere in Chicago and have no fear. But I can understand how those who are not familiar with it can believe they are endangered everywhere. That is the perception given by the media. My neighborhood is far safer than most and really is comparable to small towns or better on a per thousand basis.
There are few, if any, professional orchestras outside the major cities, ONE professional football team, no baseball, basketball, no museums.
Civilization is the product of cities and, if cities are allowed to degenerate, cultures disappear.
I was not speaking of unwanted intrusions and you know it.
glad to hear it. We need more safe neighborhoods that are still neighborhoods.
There are few, if any, professional orchestras outside the major cities,
With my hearing a good high school orchestra sounds the same and since I know the players it is more enjoyable to me. Otherwise there are plenty of CD's and DVDs available. Never saw the use of sitting and watching something that is better listened to.
ONE professional football team,
There IS only ONE football team (I own stock :^) )
no baseball,
Haven't followed baseball since the last strike (or was it the strike before?). Grown men being payed millions to play a child's game and whining about it. Who needs them.
basketball,
Otherwise known as thug ball. Pro basketball hasn't been worth watching for years (unless you like criminals and the voluntarily deformed). College ball is almost getting as bad. Again I watch mostly grade school ball now as I know the players. (admittedly I was never a big basketball fan anyway, which is almost a sin to admit in Indiana)
no museums.
I will admit from time to time making the run into DC (not SE, note) for the Smithsonian or on very rare occasions into Chicago for the museum of science and industry. Last time in Chi was about 15 years ago I think. I'll wait another 5 or so and then take my daughter. Other than that my favorite museum is the Milwaukee County Museum. It's surprisingly good for a smaller city museum.
The one thing you left off is zoos. And perhaps this is the only thing where the city has an advantage. But then again many smaller cities (large towns?) have some nice zoos too. Again the Milwaukee zoo is good, probably still my favorite. National zoo in DC, San Diego zoo both good. I prefer Cincinnatti over St Louis but both are OK. Indianapolis is good but too small. Lousiville is small but pleasant and even Evansville has a zoo. Then of course there's the smaller county zoos and wildlife parks
Civilization is the product of cities and, if cities are allowed to degenerate, cultures disappear.
And the reason I don't like most cities is that they are degenerated. High crime and pervasive leftist slants. Our culture lives on in the heartland. The rural area is the repository of real American values.
I was not speaking of unwanted intrusions and you know it.
Then you needed to phrase it better. What you said is that you wouldn't come. Since you weren't invited that's a good thing. If you meant you wouldn't come even if invited then that's a different thing, although it's still not insulting
I'm native New Orleanian but had the sense to move out of the state of LA shortly after adulthood.
I agree that it shouldn't be rebuilt.
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