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The End of the American Way
various | by Huxwell

Posted on 02/12/2006 3:54:56 PM PST by Calpernia

The original American system promised a society in which the benefits of civilization including liberty, property, privacy, security and justice would be available to all of its citizens who were willing to work for them. However, such a society can only be sustained when the majority of the citizens are mature adults who accept the basic principles of self-government, self-reliance, and mutual respect.

Those principles require the individual to assume reponsibility for his own actions, to be a producer rather than a parasite, to exercise his liberty with consideration for others, and to support and defend the system. It doesn't seem that this would be such a difficult burden.

However, in each generation that passes, fewer and fewer are willing to accept it. Many prefer the "easy road" of perpetual immaturity, self-indulgence, and parasitical dependency on others. Some find it acceptable to lie, cheat, steal and even kill for their own predatory gain. Others have failed to actively defend the core principles, and failed to transmit them to the next generation. The result has been an accelerating collapse of the American system.

This decay has not happened purely by chance. A small group of European elitists and their well-paid agents have worked to subvert the renegade American system ever since it was founded. They have used propaganda, staged conflicts, financial manipulation, and false religions to deceive and seduce the masses.

The plan to implement a collectivist "new world order" under elite control has been very successful. Unless we change course, only the privileged nobility will enjoy the benefits of a civilized existence; the rest of the commoners will once again live without liberty, property, privacy, security or justice.

The Elitist Gameplan

The self-appointed elite groups that run the world view themselves as a separate race of "supermen", inherently superior and distinct from the people that they manage. It is essential for us to understand their viewpoint: to them, we are literally nothing but a herd of farm animals. They have no moral reservations whatsoever about lying to us, stealing from us or slaughtering us by the millions. A review of 20th century history should make that very clear.

• How is it that a small group of elitists are able to exercise control over the society?

The simplest answer is "money". Every warlord since the beginning of time has confiscated the wealth of the peasantry; it's no different today. That accumulated wealth has been shifted around from one dynasty to the next, and is now concentrated in the hands of an "invisible royalty" which controls the central banks, the commerce, and the governments of the world. Money buys competitors, it buys propaganda, it buys political control, it buys armies and weapons. The money power is by far the major force in society; whoever controls it controls just about everything else.

• How could they possibly maintain a coherent strategy over decades and even centuries?

The centuries-old system of royal orders and secret societies (religious and secular), in combination with modern corporations and foundations serve to provide continuity for the program. The elitists don't accept just anybody into these clubs; one must be born with the right pedigree to be considered. New initiates are bonded by oaths, rituals, peer pressure, greed and blackmail to their various orders, and carefully mentored by the elders. The loyal "team players" are rewarded with wealth, power and prestige. Renegades that don't go along with the program are simply weeded out one way or another.

• How could they keep their manipulations hidden from the public?

It's not difficult for wealthy members of private clubs to meet, plan and even execute those plans well out of the public eye. Do corporations release the minutes of their board meetings? Would reporters risk their careers to publish them? If we don't know what the directors of Enron (semi-public) or the Carlyle Group (semi-private) are doing, how would we ever know what the directors of the Masons or the Vatican (very private) are doing? Answer: Only if they tell us, and only if we believe them.

• How could people be fooled into assisting these efforts, even when they are opposed to them?

The manipulation of perceived reality combined with carefully staged events is the key to all magic. People act and react based on limited and often fraudlent information, packaged in a manner designed to appeal to their emotions and pre-programmed biases. The money power that controls the press, the schools, and the entertainment industry can present any issue, real or imaginary, left or right, any way they choose at any time. There is almost no way to independently verify what is being presented.

An example from the Left:

Is "global warming" a real phenomenon? Is it being caused mainly by human activity? Will an increase in government regulation correct the problem? Will regulation actually benefit the corporations that are "regulated"? Will it result in a loss of individual liberty and more power for the elite? (Answers: Maybe, No, No, Yes, Yes)

An example from the Right:

Is "terrorism" a real phenomenon? Is it being caused by the groups featured on the nightly news? Will a massive "war on terrorism" correct the problem? Will the war benefit the corporations that provide the war material? Will it result in a loss of individual liberty and more power for the elite? (Answers: Maybe, No, No, Yes, Yes)

The New Religion

Religion is another effective tool for manipulating the reactions of the masses. A "religion" is simply a regulated belief system. It includes any strongly held set of beliefs where the believers consider themselves to be members of a distinct group, and the group in turn enforces an orthodoxy of belief on its members. A religion need not be theistic.

Some religions are supportive of the individualist American style system, others are supportive of a collectivist European style system. Guess which type of religion is being undermined and which is being promoted by the elitists?

It's an historic fact that one of the cornerstones of the original American system was the fundamental, scripturally-based Christian religion. The elitists hate this religion and would like to destroy it for several reasons. It stands in the way of establishing their own status as demigods. It emphasizes the inherent worth of the individual as opposed to the collective. It defines the fundamental rules needed to form a stable society. It points out the self-destructive behaviors that cause societies to fail. It emphasizes the spiritual nature of existence rather than the material. And so on.

In order to create a subservient, collectivist herd catering to the worldly pleasures of a decadent ruling oligarchy, the masses require a different religion. One that emphasizes conformity, ritual, group activity, festivals, obedience to authority, irrational mysticism, a hierarchical priesthood, and license for irresponsible behavior. Let's look at some candidates, all of which are promoted by the elitists and targeted at different audiences.

Historically speaking, Roman Catholicism fits the requirements almost perfectly. Which is not surprising since it was created and promoted by the "Holy" Roman Emperors and their successors precisely for that purpose. Even though it has faded somewhat in the decadent West, it's still very much alive and well in "Latin" America, and is gaining ground as a result of their unchecked invasion of the north.

For older Americans, there's a hollowed out shell of the old Protestant religion: Social clubs with big fancy buildings, TV studios, and false, feel-good doctrines. Shows about angels, raptures, and other mystical mumbo-jumbo. Bookstores full of endless commentaries, tacky icons, and huggy Jesus dolls. In short, a form of religion without the substance or the power.

For middle-aged Americans, we have the "New Age" religion in several flavors. There's the Shirley McClaine I-am-God school of "Theosophy lite", featuring spiritual retreats with yoga classes, massages, bean sprouts, and centering. Then there's the Columbia University psych department "Course in Miracles", with the channelled words of "The Christ", workshops on forgiveness, and other feel-good group psychology. The list goes on.

For the youth, there's an increasingly bizzare culture of neo-pagan mysticism, nature worship, hedonism, drug abuse, and sexual perversion. Every immature and self-destructive practice imaginable is promoted by the elite-controlled media, which is creating a dysfunctional generation incapable of sustaining a stable and independent society. If you need proof, just look around: Count the skilled workers under age 30. Count the stable family units. Count the Prozac zombies.

For the intellectual who (rightly) rejects these alternatives, Humanism is the preferred substitute. One can take pride in one's reasoning faculties, without all the silly mysticism of traditional religions. Man is the measure of all things. There's no need to look for a creator in a universe that obviously "evolved" on its own by natural processes. We will find our destiny in the stars when we contact the space brothers, like Carl Sagan said. [1]

Of course, humanism also opens the door for satanists like Aleister Crowley who proclaim that the only morality is to "do as thou wilt". Why not? After all, survival of the fittest (ie: richest, strongest, most ruthless, most dishonest) is the natural way. The humanists have no basis on which to challenge this without being inconsistent, and the space brothers are not much help.

This brings us to the elite themselves, whose preferred religion appears to be self-worship along with a dash of Masonic Theosophy, Luciferianism and/or Druidism for the spiritually inclined. The technocrats that run the machinery for them tend to be humanists. Worldly rewards are all that they expect, and it makes sense for them to seek out the most powerful masters to serve. Might makes right.

The Old Religion

The Jewish scriptures reflect the long history of one of humanity's oldest surviving cultures. According to their scriptures, one thing that irritated the Creator more than anything else the Israelites did was to commit "spiritual fornication" by worshipping foreign gods: Judges 6:25-26: Jehovah commands Gideon to "...throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the grove that [is] by it and build an altar unto the LORD thy God...and offer a burnt sacrifice with the wood of the grove which thou shalt cut down."

1 Kings 15:11-13 : King Asa of Judah "...took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made. And also Maachah his mother, even her he removed from [being] queen, because she had made an idol in a grove; and Asa destroyed her idol, and burnt [it]"

1 Kings 16:30-33: "King Ahab...did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that [were] before him. And it came to pass... [that he] went and served Baal, and worshipped him. And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria. And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him.

Jeremiah 7:18: "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me [the LORD] to anger."

Why should modern, sophisticated men care about this ancient history / mythology? After all, hasn't science proven that the "Creator" doesn't even exist? It may come as a shock to you to learn that many of today's powerful elitists are Knights or Adepts in various medieval religious orders. Some of them are sodomites that still worship idols in groves, just like their spiritual ancestors did. They take it very seriously, and so should we. The pagan "Old Religion", a relic of the un-enlightened past, is now the fastest growing belief system in America.

For those who doubt this, here are a few random samples out of the thousands available online:

Articles about the famous San Francisco elite club Bohemian Grove and their Owl idol: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archivebohemiangrove.html

Article about the new age "Earth Charter" and "Ark of Hope" sponsored by the U.N.: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Earth_Charter_Ark.htm

Article about Druidic rituals and "Establishing the Grove": http://www.adf.org/rituals/explanations/prerite-briefing.html

Article explaining the various "degrees" in a typical Wicca Coven: http://www.mysticmooncoven.org/degrees.htm

Typical site for "Goddess Worship": http://www.spiralgoddess.com/Mary.html

Comments on the phenomenon of Catholic "Mary Worship": http://www.harpazo.net/Queen.html

One difference between a fool and a wise man is that the fool learns only from his own mistakes; the wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Even if you attribute the outcome to "natural cause and effect", it's clear that the Jews were warned over 2000 years ago what would happen to their society as an inevitable consequence of such practices.

It isn't hard to see that all of these elite-sponsored belief systems are fundamentally incompatible with the core American principles defined above. Their acceptance by both the decadent leadership and the gullible masses is clearly leading to a radical transformation of the society (as intended).

A society of un-educated, irrational, hedonistic, dependent weenies standing around in circles chanting to the "earth spirits" and the "goddess" will be easy to manage. Especially with the tracking systems, 24/7 surveillance, and satanic storm troopers that the elite has already prepared to finish setting up their global Utopia.

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Footnotes: [1] The movie "Contact", based on the book by Carl Sagan, was about the closest thing to a Humanist religious film I've ever seen. Jodie Foster stars as the oppressed feminist / humanist heroine who makes contact with the space brothers. After some crude anti-Christian propaganda and vague ethical debates, she makes a spectacular taxpayer-funded voyage to infinity and beyond where she meets up with a hologram of her deceased father who tells her the secret of the universe. Unfortunately, Sagan wasn't able to provide a very satisfying revelation at that point, because he didn't have one.


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1 posted on 02/12/2006 3:55:00 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: Calpernia

In order to create a subservient, collectivist herd catering to the worldly pleasures of a decadent ruling oligarchy, the masses require a different religion. One that emphasizes conformity, ritual, group activity, festivals, obedience to authority, irrational mysticism, a hierarchical priesthood, and license for irresponsible behavior. Let's look at some candidates, all of which are promoted by the elitists and targeted at different audiences.

Historically speaking, Roman Catholicism fits the requirements almost perfectly. Which is not surprising since it was created and promoted by the "Holy" Roman Emperors and their successors precisely for that purpose. Even though it has faded somewhat in the decadent West, it's still very much alive and well in "Latin" America, and is gaining ground as a result of their unchecked invasion of the north.
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Intellectual vomit. Clean it up.


2 posted on 02/12/2006 4:03:02 PM PST by Phil Connors
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1572207/posts
Global Manipulators Move Beyond Petroleum


3 posted on 02/12/2006 4:11:56 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Members of the World Business
Council for Sustainable Development

3M Company
ABB Asea Brown Boveri
ABN AMRO Bank
Aguas de Barcelona (AGBAR)
Alcoa
Anglo American plc

Anova Holding
Aracruz Celulose
Arthur D. Little
Asahi Glass
Assurances Générales de France
AT&T

Aventis
BASF
Bayer
Billiton
BG Plc
BOC Group

The Boston Consulting Group
BP
Brodrene Hartmann
Broken Hill Proprietary Co.
BT
Cargill Incorporated

CEMEX
CH2M Hill
Chemical Works Sokolov
China Petro-Chemical Corporation
CIMPOR
Codelco

Companhia Vale do Rio Doce
Conoco
DaimlerChrysler
Danfoss
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
Denso Corporation

Det Norske Veritas
Deutsche Bank
Dow Chemical Company
DuPont
Eastman Kodak Company

Environmental Resources Management
ESKOM
Estudio Juridico Gross Brown
F. Hoffmann-La Roche
FALCK Group
Fiat Auto

Fletcher Challenge Limited
Ford Motor Company
Fortum Corporation
General Motors Corporation
Gerling- Konzern Insurances
Grupo IMSA

GrupoNUEVA
Grupo Vitro
Heidelberger Zement
Heineken
Henkel
Hitachi Chemical

Holderbank
Imperial Chemical Industries
Interface
International Herald Tribune
International Paper Company
Italcementi Group

Japan Atomic Power Company
John Laing plc
Johnson & Johnson
JSC NORD
Kajima Corporation

Kansai Electric Power
Kikkoman Corporation
KPMG
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LG Group
L’Oreal

Michelin Group
Mitsubishi Corporation
Mitsui & Co.
Mitsui Chemicals
Monsanto Company

Nestlé
Newmont Mining Corporation
Nippon Telegraph & Telephone Corp
Nissan
Nokia

Noranda
Norsk Hydro
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Novartis International
Novo Nordisk
OAO Gazprom

Ontario Power Generation
Petro-Canada
Phelps Dodge Corporation
Placer Dome
PLIVA d.d.
PowerGen plc

Procter & Gamble Company
Rabobank Group
Rio Tinto
RMC Group
Rohm and Haas

Rosneftegazstroy JSC
Royal Philips Electronics
S.C. Johnson & Son
Samsung Electronics
Seiko Group

Severn Trent
SGS Société Générale de Surveillance Hld
Shell International
Siam Cement
Sibirsky Aluminium Group
Skandia Insurance Company

Skanska AB
Sonae S.G.P.S.
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Sociedade Portuguesa de Papel
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Statoil
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Suncor Energy
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Teijin Limited
Texaco

ThermoRetec Corporation
Time Warner
Tokyo Electric Power Company
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TransAlta Corporation

TXI
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Unilever
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Volkswagen

Votorantim Participações
Western Power Corporation
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Weyerhaeuser Company
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4 posted on 02/12/2006 4:13:08 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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>>>>It may come as a shock to you to learn that many of today's powerful elitists are Knights or Adepts in various medieval religious orders. Some of them are sodomites that still worship idols in groves, just like their spiritual ancestors did.

The Ark of Hope is aptly named. The believers in the "earth-friendly" propaganda of enviro-socialism can only hope that elitist central planners like Rockefeller, Strong and Gorbachev actually have the interests of the peasants in mind. Anyone who studies history can be confident that they do not, and never did. This packaging of the Earth Charter clearly indicates that the promoters intend for it to be adopted as a matter of faith and hope rather than reason.

I wonder how many of these well-meaning groupies remember that the Rockefellers earned their billions through the massive exploitation of fossil fuels and the "destruction" of the environment? And that the Standard Oil Trust also fueled the Nazi war machine during WW2 and was a business partner of the I.G. Farben cartel that ran the Auschwitz death camp? And that Rockefeller money has been used to support "eugenics" programs for almost a century?

How about the fact that "Earth Day" just happens to be Lenin's birthday? What a coincidence.

5 posted on 02/12/2006 4:21:05 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Those principles require the individual to assume reponsibility for his own actions, to be a producer rather than a parasite, to exercise his liberty with consideration for others, and to support and defend the system. It doesn't seem that this would be such a difficult burden.

Sounds like something everybody's mother should have taught them from birth.

6 posted on 02/12/2006 4:26:07 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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UN Meditation Room

The U.N. Meditation Room is built in the shape of a truncated pyramid. In the center is an altar made out of magnetite, the largest natural piece of magnetite ever mined. For meditation purposes it is probably the most ideal spot on the planet, since the magnetite altar has its foundation straight down, built into the bedrock of the land below; tapping into the energies of the earth itself. The mysterious mural also helps the worshippers tune into esoteric energies, and helps facilitate a state of altered consciousness.

Earth Charter Commission Co-Chairs

The Earth Charter Initiative was launched in 1994 by Maurice Strong, his newly formed Earth Council and Mikhail Gorbachev, acting in his capacity as president of Green Cross International. In 1997, the Earth Council and Green Cross International formed an Earth Charter Commission to give oversight to the process.

Sri Chinmoy

Indian Mystic, and outspoken advocate of the United Nations' "spiritual mission."

Kamla Chowdhry, India
Mikhail Gorbachev, Russia
Mercedes Sosa, Argentina
Maurice Strong, Canada
Amadou Toumani Toure, Mali
A.T. Anyaratne, Sri Lanka
Princess Basma Bint Talai, Jordan
Leonardo Boff, Brazil
Pierre Calame, France
Severn Cullis-Suzuki, Canada
Wakako Hironaka, Japan
John Hoyt, U.S.A.
Ruud Lubbers, The Netherlands
Wangari Maathai, Kenya
Elizabeth May, Canada
Federico Mayor, Spain
Shridath Ramphal, Guyana
Henriette Rasmussen, Greenland
Steven Rockefeller, U.S.
Mohamed Sahoun, Algeria
Awraham Soetendorp, The Netherlands
Pauline Tangiora, New Zealand
Erna Witoelar, Indonesia

7 posted on 02/12/2006 4:27:43 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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The Earth Charter and the Ark of the Gaia Covenant

“The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments.”
— Maurice Strong

“Do not do unto the environment of others what you do not want done to your own environment....My hope is that this charter will be a kind of Ten Commandments, a 'Sermon on the Mount', that provides a guide for human behavior toward the environment in the next century.”
— Mikhail Gorbachev, The Los Angeles Times, May 8, 1997

On September the 9th, 2001 a celebration of the Earth Charter was held at Shelburne Farms Vermont for the unveiling of the Earth Charter's final resting place. This "Ark of Hope" will be presented to the United Nations along with its contents in June of 2002. It is hoped that the United Nations will endorse the Earth Charter document on this occasion; the tenth anniversary of the UNCED Earth Summit in Rio.

Placed within the Ark, along with the Earth Charter, were various items called "Temenos Books" and "Temenos Earth Masks." Temenos is a concept adopted by Carl Jung to denote a magic circle, a sacred space where special rules and energies apply. Some of the Temenos Books were created within this magic circle by children, who filled them with visual affirmations for Mother Earth. Fashioned with the "earth elements", the Temenos Earth Masks were also worn and created by children.

8 posted on 02/12/2006 4:31:10 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Calpernia, you keep up this research and you're not going to be happy with what you find. For some of us, the truth is more important than happiness.

You'll probably appreciate this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1577212/posts?page=13#13


9 posted on 02/12/2006 4:37:36 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

How else are we suppose to stop Healthy People 2010 if more people aren't aware of where the monies are coming from?

My state signed on to the entire program.


10 posted on 02/12/2006 4:42:37 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

You'll get nothing but compliments on your information from me. It's appreciated. So many of those same groups are funders for most propositions that NGOs and non profits put forward and they usually mean trouble except for the few they benefit.


11 posted on 02/12/2006 4:50:21 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

I can't understand why these threads I've been posting are so quiet.

You would think everyone would be outraged and screaming to have their states cancel the grant programs.


12 posted on 02/12/2006 5:00:21 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

good job, but either these people can't grasp the info and dismiss you as a kook, or they just dont care because it's not about Bush VS the Democrats.


13 posted on 02/12/2006 5:42:37 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

If I knew where the issues were, I could post more information.


14 posted on 02/12/2006 5:44:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; uglybiker
"I can't understand why these threads I've been posting are so quiet."

Lemme help ya out.

Seems like you've named and blamed everyone but yourself.

Mason Ping!

15 posted on 02/12/2006 5:45:49 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Calpernia; Quix

For later ping.

There is little traffic because either no one wants to know, or there is no desire to really connect the dots.


16 posted on 02/12/2006 5:47:11 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Calpernia
"I can't understand why these threads I've been posting are so quiet."

Some of this stuff is hard to get your mind around. Global elitists taking over the world? It sounds so.....so.....so conspiratorial! People don't want to be perceived as nutjobs or tinfoilers so they avoid this stuff.

Here is more, for what it's worth (which may not be much). I'm offering these links because they relate to the section of your post as follows:

• How is it that a small group of elitists are able to exercise control over the society?

The simplest answer is "money". (...)

bankrupt by James Trafficant

Federal Reserve is alleged to be a Tontine scheme

In both articles, the terms maritime/admiralty and insurance keep popping up. I don't know the guy who wrote the second article. But you'd expect Trafficant to know what he's talking about.

Obligatory picture for your amusement.


17 posted on 02/12/2006 5:53:11 PM PST by Jason_b
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To: Eastbound
...how would we ever know what the directors of the Masons or the Vatican (very private) are doing? Answer: Only if they tell us, and only if we believe them.

Sounds like somebody's miffed at finding out all the parties they don't get invited to.



Masonic
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18 posted on 02/12/2006 6:08:20 PM PST by uglybiker (If a Liberal said something, and there was no one around to hear. Would it still be stupid?)
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To: nopardons; Chode; TheLion; AxelPaulsenJr; jimt; Eric in the Ozarks; oldtimer; pt17; ...
...how would we ever know what the directors of the Masons or the Vatican (very private) are doing? Answer: Only if they tell us, and only if we believe them.

Sounds like somebody's miffed at finding out all the parties they don't get invited to.



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Helps to add the PING list to the post!! ;-)
19 posted on 02/12/2006 6:12:20 PM PST by uglybiker (If a Liberal said something, and there was no one around to hear. Would it still be stupid?)
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To: Eastbound
>>> Seems like you've named and blamed everyone but yourself.

That statement sounds like you've misread something.
20 posted on 02/12/2006 6:30:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: redgolum

Sorry to tell you this, we lost Quix at FR.

I think Little Jeremiah has Quix's contact information though.


21 posted on 02/12/2006 6:32:41 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: uglybiker

Thanks for the ping.

Looks to be the tired old conspiracy bromide.


22 posted on 02/12/2006 6:37:00 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Calpernia

Seems like everyone is in on the conspiracy - the Vatican, Masons, Environmentalists, Big Business, Bankers, Politicans, New Agers, and a vague 'elite' at the root of it all.

Who is not 'in on it?'

You've named your suspects - who is on the 'right' side in your estimation?


23 posted on 02/12/2006 6:39:14 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: uglybiker; Calpernia

I'll freely offer my silence, and my circumspection. Thanks fot the ping :)


24 posted on 02/12/2006 6:39:58 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, Justice, Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria..)
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To: PresbyRev

You skimmed or misunderstood?


25 posted on 02/12/2006 6:46:39 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

So you were kicked out by the Birchers?


26 posted on 02/12/2006 7:09:11 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: PresbyRev

What is a Bircher?


27 posted on 02/12/2006 7:11:50 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society


28 posted on 02/12/2006 7:15:20 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: PresbyRev

Oh I have heard of that before. No I never belonged to that group.

Why would you think I was kicked out?

And you didn't answer my question before, did you misunderstand something or just skimmed?


29 posted on 02/12/2006 7:20:07 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

So the high priestess Calpernia is having trouble attracting acolytes...?


30 posted on 02/12/2006 7:28:29 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

???


31 posted on 02/12/2006 7:30:32 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Check posting #2--I'm with him.


32 posted on 02/12/2006 7:35:22 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Calpernia

sigh . . . I'll play your game.

No, I didn't misunderstand your post.

Your post is conspiratorial nonsense.

In its paranoid sweep and scope, your posting places you outside, beyond the fringes, of the folks who make up the JBS.


33 posted on 02/12/2006 7:37:13 PM PST by PresbyRev (www.masonicinfo.com)
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To: eleni121

I can't respond if I have no idea what you consider vomit.


34 posted on 02/12/2006 7:43:07 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: PresbyRev

You are being vague too.

The foundations from these groups are funding the NGOs. The NGOs are currently funneling the agenda through our governmental offices.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563271/posts
Healthy People 2010

I've posted several more I will go get the links for if I can determine if you are even following what I'm trying to say.


35 posted on 02/12/2006 7:46:08 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: PresbyRev

You should have also included the 'Illuminati', in your list in post #23...my husband is now retired from the post office...but he used to talk about the fellows he worked with and their talk about some conspiratorial group called the 'Illuminati', who control the finances, social systems, and everything else in the world, their goal being to somehow have a one world govt, with them(the very elite) in charge, and everyone else subservient to them...and they claim that 'Lucifer' is the 'chairman of the board', tho exactly what that means or who exactly they are referring to is not clear...

I used to think this was some sort of conspiracy story, dreamed up by postal workers(almost all of them being ex-vets of the military)...but one day, while I and some of my fellow workers in the nursing home were talking about weird conspiracies, I mentioned this Illuminati...to my surprise, one of the RNs there, also believed 100 percent in this Illuminati conspiracy...



36 posted on 02/12/2006 7:46:30 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Calpernia

Let;s see if I can help...although it seenms obvious what Connors writes. Anything to do with bashing Christian religion is vomit..the intellectual left wing atheistic kind.


37 posted on 02/12/2006 7:54:10 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

Where did I bash Christian religion?


38 posted on 02/12/2006 7:58:16 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
"That statement sounds like you've misread something."

I don't think so. I re-read it again, and in many instances I would agree with you. Mel Gibson didn't have anything on me when he played in "Conspiracy", for you can't walk through my house without stumbling over piles of stuff I've been collecting for decades. (Well, I had to move and was forced to get rid of a lot of it for lack of space.) If you check some of my earlier posts you might think we were blood brothers against the NWO, global governance, eco-freaks, etc.

I think it strange that you make references to the Masons and Catholics as being in on this world conspiracy against America. Strange, in that the Masons were one of the primary forces behind the American Revolution and had no small influence in putting together our Charter and founding documents and are still most vociferous in trying to keep it intact.

Concerning modern-day Catholics, it would be highly beneficial to read Dr. James L. Hirsen's book, "The Coming Collision," Global Law vs. U.S. Liberties", (ISBN1-56384-163-0). He is a devout Catholic and has written a superb expose on the UN/NGO agenda and leaves little to the imagination on the methodology being used to implement global law by legal and political manipulations of the U.S. Constitution.

I would like to recommend another book, if you would like to start weeding out some of the things you consider conspiratorial. Try "Freemasons For Dummies" (Yes, that is a real book, and a most comprehensive and comprehensible look at Freemasonry, Available at Amazon.com.

Yes, there is a conspiracy. But it is not hidden or secret. It's out in the open. And the visible parts are there like an elephant in everyone's living room, but nobody notices them -- the 16th and 17th Amendments and fiat currency, all of which had their origin about the same time.

That is the visible part which is destroying what our founding fathers created.

So it matters not to me what the world conspirators are doing. My focus these days is help insure we don't let our gummint give away the store, to focus on repealing the 16th and 17, and scrapping the Fed. It's only money we owe ourselves anyway. Why foist such a system on our grandchildren and put them in involuntary servitude? I think it's time to write off the debt and get back to something more tangible as a medium of exchange rather than pretty-looking, but intrinsically worthless bills.

But even that may take a back burner if the chaos that is churning up around the world begins to sweep through our country. If that occurs, I believe we will all be in personal survival mode for a while and will have to be taking care of more pressing business.

FRegards --

39 posted on 02/12/2006 8:00:49 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Calpernia

You posted this crap and agree with it. You think it's important enough for us to chime in...so do you or don't you agree with the anti Christian elements in the article?

C'mon answer the Q. Betcha you don't.


40 posted on 02/12/2006 8:05:23 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Eastbound

>>> I think it strange that you make references to the Masons and Catholics as being in on this world conspiracy against America.

Wrong. I didn't say that. You misread that paragraph.

I said, when you don't belong to a group, you can't verify what is being said about it.


41 posted on 02/12/2006 8:05:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: eleni121

Answer this post first:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1577265/posts?page=38#38


42 posted on 02/12/2006 8:06:35 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
"I said, when you don't belong to a group, you can't verify what is being said about it."

So if you were not inferring it, why did you mention them by name in such a negative context? Were you not inferring?

43 posted on 02/12/2006 8:14:25 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

I mentioned them by name because I was inferring to the propaganda that has been floated about them.

When people don't belong to a group, they have no way of verifying what is being said.

Let's refer to Skull and Bones then.

Have you not heard of the propaganda floated about Skull and Bones?

Do you know for a fact if it is evil or is not?

Why don't you know? Because you never belonged to it and have no way of verifying.

Same with Masons.

Have you not heard of the propaganda floated about the Masons?

Can you verify it if you don't belong to them?

My point was the manipulation that is available from the absence of verification.


44 posted on 02/12/2006 8:20:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

I knew you wouldn't and couldn't answer...you proved my point.

A player - you - without a game and without players is a sad thing to see...


45 posted on 02/12/2006 8:45:39 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

You have not pointed out anything I wrote that was anti Christian.


46 posted on 02/12/2006 8:46:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Bump for later.


47 posted on 02/12/2006 8:51:43 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
"good job, but either these people can't grasp the info and dismiss you as a kook, or they just dont care because it's not about Bush VS the Democrats"

Or maybe it's because many of us have been through conspiracy kintergarden and have moved up to where the real culprits are doing their dirty work. In our courts and in our Congress.

Come to think of it, maybe it's time for someone to start a website and discussion group and start disclosing some of the dastardly shenanigans taking place in our government, name names, dates, places, etc., and work to replace the culprits and agents of change.

Oops! Spoke too soon. Someone had a headstart on this years ago and started his own website and forum.

48 posted on 02/12/2006 9:16:30 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: andysandmikesmom
The Illuminati, which was begun by Adam Weishaupt, hasn't been in existence since March of 1785. Yet, tinfoil wearers have used the name of this nonexistent group, to spread fearful conspiracy theories, for centuries.

Oh yes, you CAN find all kinds of sites, on the net, full of supposed info about this nonexistent group; however, that doesn't make any of it factual. You can find other sites, that claim that the Holocaust never happened, with supposed corroborating evidence too.

49 posted on 02/12/2006 9:17:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Calpernia
Which only led everyone else to dump on you.

Nobody, not a single one of us, "misread" what you wrote, nor what the author of this moronic article wrote; not a one of us. You are the one who posted garbage, which you imagined was "clear". All it managed to do, was add fuel to that tinfoil fire you lit, by posting this thread.

50 posted on 02/12/2006 9:22:26 PM PST by nopardons
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