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Free software? You can't just give it away
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| February 21, 2006
| Times Online
Posted on 02/23/2006 7:31:29 AM PST by N3WBI3
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posted on
02/23/2006 7:31:31 AM PST
by
N3WBI3
To: N3WBI3; ShadowAce; Tribune7; frogjerk; Salo; LTCJ; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; amigatec; Fractal Trader; ..
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posted on
02/23/2006 7:32:06 AM PST
by
N3WBI3
(If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
To: N3WBI3
I wrote back, politely explaining the principles of copyleft – that the software was free This statement leaves me troubled about the agenda of Mozilla. I better check on my supply of tin foil.....
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posted on
02/23/2006 7:39:33 AM PST
by
The_Victor
(If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
To: N3WBI3; Golden Eagle; Bush2000
Free Software... You get what you pay for!!
Where's rdb3??!!
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posted on
02/23/2006 7:46:55 AM PST
by
Incorrigible
(If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
To: The_Victor
Don't worry. Copyleft has nothing to do with politics.
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posted on
02/23/2006 7:51:41 AM PST
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: ShadowAce; The_Victor
"copyleft" has everything to do with politics. Just as the article admits, it aims to turn our capitalistic society on it's head, and communist governments the world over are flocking to it.
To: rdb3
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:05:43 AM PST
by
Incorrigible
(If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
To: ShadowAce
Don't worry. Copyleft has nothing to do with politics. Not directly, but it does reflect a certain naivety that translates into stupid politics.
It also represents an unsustainable economic idea: give something away free so that somebody else can make a buck on it.
The problem is that development and maintenance of open source code involve real costs. The Open Source model assumes that those costs will always be absorbed by good-hearted programmers, for free to everybody else.
Over time, however, the desire for stability within a company's code base, coupled with divergence from Open Source as companies modify Open Source for their own needs, ends up killing the model.
Eventually, somebody simply grabs the Open Source, locks it down as a baseline, and starts selling their own modifications to all comers.
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:05:51 AM PST
by
r9etb
To: Golden Eagle
"copyleft" has everything to do with politics. Wrong.
Just as the article admits,...
You must've read something I didn't. Where?
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:09:57 AM PST
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: r9etb
Eventually, somebody simply grabs the Open Source, locks it down as a baseline, and starts selling their own modifications to all comers. And in doing so violates SOX, and Copyright law..
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:10:41 AM PST
by
N3WBI3
(If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
To: r9etb
Eventually, somebody simply grabs the Open Source, locks it down as a baseline, and starts selling their own modifications to all comers. Example? You're projecting based on your belief of what FLOSS, GPL, and copyleft are. With Sarbanes-Oxley, doing what you describe could actually mean prison for the offender.
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:12:12 AM PST
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: ShadowAce
Copyleft has alot to do with politics. Specifically the politics(policy) of how software is created, distributed, and maintained. It has little to do with politics in the general sense of national politics.
:-P
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:15:46 AM PST
by
Halfmanhalfamazing
(Linux, the #2 OS. Mac, the #3 OS. Apple's own numbers are hard to argue with.)
To: ShadowAce
Example? Hmmmm. The kerfluffle about JAVA springs immediately to mind....
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:16:31 AM PST
by
r9etb
To: N3WBI3
allow us to continue with our plan for world domination I knew it!
To: Golden Eagle
Open source is inherently more capitalistic than the business models of MS or apple.....
Besides, your argument makes zero sense.
^^^^^^^^^^^and communist governments the world over are flocking to it.^^^^^^^^^^^
Communist governments flocked to windows at one point. That didn't make windows communist then.
And now that these governments are leaving windows, that doesn't make windows less communistic now.
It's how the models are set up. Microsoft spends alot more time trying to make you dependent than the OSS crowd. Is that capitalistic or communistic? Hmmmm?
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:18:24 AM PST
by
Halfmanhalfamazing
(Linux, the #2 OS. Mac, the #3 OS. Apple's own numbers are hard to argue with.)
To: r9etb
(1) Java was not opensource
(2) As a part of one it was under not under the GPL
(3) The court found against MS who was the party trying to splinter Java
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:18:52 AM PST
by
N3WBI3
(If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Specifically the politics(policy) of how software is created, distributed, and maintained. OK. Chalk one up. I was thinking right/left national politics. :)
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:18:58 AM PST
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: r9etb
somebody simply grabs the Open Source, locks it down as a baseline, and starts selling their own modifications to all comers.Violates the GPL most open source software is published under.
To: Golden Eagle
"copyleft" has everything to do with politics. Just as the article admits, it aims to turn our capitalistic society on it's head, and communist governments the world over are flocking to it. His blog is "Hacking for Christ." That kind of puts a dent in a chain of arguments seen on FR: OSS is communist, communism is anti-Christian. Well, here's an outspoken Christian leading one of the most prominent OSS projects.
To: ShadowAce
LOL!!! I know you were. That's why I tried to be overly clear.
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posted on
02/23/2006 8:23:56 AM PST
by
Halfmanhalfamazing
(Linux, the #2 OS. Mac, the #3 OS. Apple's own numbers are hard to argue with.)
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