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Deal takes sheep off grazing allotment
Billings Gazette ^ | March 17, 2006 | MIKE STARK

Posted on 03/17/2006 8:22:02 PM PST by george76

Sheep don't mix well with grizzly bears and wolves.

Now they won't mix at all on more than 70,000 acres in the Absaroka-Beartooth wilderness.

A 74,000-acre sheep grazing allotment south of Big Timber in the Gallatin National Forest has been permanently closed and the ranchers who used it for generations have been paid to move their sheep elsewhere...

The agreement is the eighth -- and second-largest -- in the greater Yellowstone ecosystem in recent years that has led to the retirement of about 300,000 acres from grazing.

The latest involves the Ash Mountain and Iron Mountain allotments used for generations by the Allestad family of Big Timber.

The decision wasn't an easy one.

Elaine Allestad said the family had been grazing sheep in that area since the late 1920s. In recent years, the family had been permitted to have a maximum of 1,200 sheep on the allotment.

But wolves and grizzlies took a heavy toll on their ewes and lambs. A few years ago, grizzlies killed 60 sheep, she said.

While it made sense to take their sheep somewhere farther from wild carnivores, it was difficult to say goodbye to a tradition several generations old of raising sheep in the backcountry.

"It was a very sad decision to make because of the history," ...

The latest allotment retirement ends an era for sheep grazing in that area.

"The history of sheep grazing in the Absaroka Mountains is a storied one that will be missed by many but not forgotten," Ken Britton, district ranger for the Gallatin National Forest, wrote in a letter to the Allestads.

(Excerpt) Read more at casperstartribune.net ...


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1 posted on 03/17/2006 8:22:08 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

I detest mutton and don't wear wool clothes or use wool blankets.


2 posted on 03/17/2006 8:35:50 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: george76
I know some folks out there. It was my understanding they didn't want the wolves, or the sheep.

That aside, won't the bears just go to where the sheep are moved?
3 posted on 03/17/2006 8:36:33 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLDSEN out of our schools!!)
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To: muawiyah

They are also "vacating" allotments for cattle.

Soon much more of our food sources will only be feed lots.

No more free range food.


4 posted on 03/17/2006 8:41:10 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I even like "farmed salmon". BTW, you'll still have your free range food, but you are going to have to start eating wild dogs ~ and I've heard they aren't all that bad once you get used to the stringiness.


5 posted on 03/17/2006 8:46:46 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: george76
Have a cousin in Eastern OR helps cattle ranchers. They've been getting grief from BLM and enviros for several years about the damage the cattle do to the range. He says it's only a matter of time until range leases are gone.
6 posted on 03/17/2006 8:46:50 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: george76

We will get to see open range fires burn for months though.


7 posted on 03/17/2006 8:47:02 PM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: muawiyah
I detest mutton and don't wear wool clothes or use wool blankets.

Feel better?

8 posted on 03/17/2006 8:47:35 PM PST by LasVegasMac (High octane gas and lots of horse power.....Let's do it!)
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To: gidget7

Once the family loses its summer grazing allotment, then they will leave ranching soon thereafter.

The math is that the families can not grow enough food to feed the live stock all year.

They need to get some rest for their winter ranges in the valley. While the grass grows in the valley in the summer, the sheep or cattle are in the mountains eating on their rented allotments.

It is too expensive to buy hay and too expensive to buy the extra, replacement land to grow extra hay. Thus they have to cut the herd in half or go out of business all together.


9 posted on 03/17/2006 8:49:42 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Precisely the reason the griz and wolf was introduced and put on the protected species list, get people off the open range.

I do though have often wondered about that griz on the environmental loving California state flag? At one time Californian had more grizzly bears than rest of the present day lower 48 combined, today they are totally extinct there.

Why don't the liberal tree huggers insist the griz be reintroduced back into California, it's most natural habitat? IMHO, it is the old lefty "not in my back yard syndrome." Punish others so they can feel good about themselves, hypocrites all.
10 posted on 03/17/2006 8:51:31 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: jazusamo
Once the eco-nuts get the allotments vacated, then they get the historical roads closed.

Then some liberal like Ted Turner buys up the bankrupt ranch from the family.

Then Ted makes an eco-friendly resort where the rich, hollywood, elite, liberals can have some "sanctuary."
11 posted on 03/17/2006 8:54:29 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: gidget7

Yes.

That is the point. Kick the family farmers and ranchers out.


12 posted on 03/17/2006 8:55:50 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
That's the plan...the govt. man knows this...

Here's another govt. tidbit

More Federal Support on its Way for Ivory-bill Habitat Lynn Scarlett, Deputy Secretary of the Interior, has announced that the Bush administration is seeking $2.1 million for the 2007 fiscal year to restore and protect the bottomland forest in Eastern Arkansas, including funds to aid in the monitoring and recovery of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker.

13 posted on 03/17/2006 9:01:15 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: muawiyah
Farmed salmon are Atlantic salmon only. They are raised in cages, fed synthetic cereal grain foods, fortified with who knows what. The Atlantic salmon does not swim in the cages, they remain stationary and wait for the next chow dump. Look at the farm raised salmon flesh, it is either "dyed" red or is almost white. The farm raised salmon have none of the good oils such as wild cold water salmon obtain from their natural diet, wild salmon flesh is naturally red.

OTOH, Pacific salmon put into cages never stop swimming around, they don't cater to the artificial diet and put on weight, so they are not farmed raised.
14 posted on 03/17/2006 9:05:17 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: muawiyah
BTW, you'll still have your free range food, but you are going to have to start eating wild dogs ~ and I've heard they aren't all that bad once you get used to the stringiness.

I suggest you get this book: Native Indian Wild Game, Fish & Wild Foods Cookbook ... includes squirrel, possum, venison curry, venison meatloaf, etc.

15 posted on 03/17/2006 9:09:41 PM PST by ikka
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Are all farmed Salmon mushy ?

The free range fish seem to taste better.

IMHO


16 posted on 03/17/2006 9:10:07 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

"Are all farmed Salmon mushy ?

The free range fish seem to taste better.

IMHO"

When first tasted the farm raised, the word mushy immediately came to mind, brought me to do some research, on them.


17 posted on 03/17/2006 10:30:30 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: muawiyah
Woolen clothes and blankets will still keep you warm even if they get wet..

There was no other known fiber that could do that until the development of synthetics.. and I'm not sure there are any synthetics that can make that claim..

As for mutton, you're one up on me there..
I've never tasted it..

18 posted on 03/18/2006 1:20:40 AM PST by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
The farm raised salmon on the East Coast are actually Pacific salmon. That way if they get loose they don't breed with the native East Coast salmon.

The "pink salmon" thing is a fetish. It proves nothing. Old timers who worked in canning factories up and down the PAC NW in the 20s and 30s have told me that at one time "pure white" meat was favored, and the red went to the cats.

19 posted on 03/18/2006 4:35:59 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: ikka

Squirrel is exceptionally good. This area has a major stand of white oak, and squirrels raised on acorns are something else. The new ones are already out stirring around.


20 posted on 03/18/2006 4:37:09 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

However, lamb is quite nice. Since I work with wool, I don't want to see the price rise. I get mine from an Amish mill located in Pennsylvania, and the cost is comparatively low. I doubt this will affect my supplier.

OTOH, meat and wool animals are often two different operations. Many meat sheep grow hair, not wool.

I object to this sort of thing because it is manipulative and aims to clear humans and human activity out of places the Greens have decreed must remain "pristine".


21 posted on 03/18/2006 7:10:35 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal
BTW, I love bears ~ but there's no sense beating up on them because they like to eat sheep.

Sheep eating animals are not, in my world, competitors.

I think part of the problem here is that when the various parts of that area of the world were carved up for different uses they simply didn't realize how big a range bears need.

Oh, yes, I stay AWAY from the bears. They really are dangerous.

22 posted on 03/18/2006 7:13:36 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: george76

Around here the enviros planted the Oplamato Falcon and then started telling the ranchers what they had to do. The stupid ranchers accomodated them and then they just became more shrill and demanding. They had to move their cattle off the range when the birds started mating. The funniest thing of all is when they moved the cattle the birds abandoned their nests and followed the cattle.


23 posted on 03/18/2006 7:19:38 AM PST by tiki
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To: muawiyah

Not sure where you got your information, but it is incorrect on all counts.


24 posted on 03/18/2006 9:04:54 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: tiki

But something had gotten there before him. Everywhere he looked, it seemed, there was a sheep that had been attacked and bloodied.

"It was terrible," he said. "Some of them just had a chunk of flesh tore out, in some cases clear to the bone, the size of an orange.

A few were bit in the neck."

A few of the sheep could be doctored, but many of them died... of the 60 that were attacked, 21 died and 39 were injured.

On top of that, the percentage of ewes with twins dropped from a typical 45 to 55 percent to around 20 percent, which will mean a serious blow to his business.

"I think that trauma had a lot to do with it,"

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2006/03/17/news/state/20-sheep.txt


25 posted on 03/18/2006 9:32:46 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
http://ats.agr.gc.ca/seafood/farmed_salmon-e.htm says British Columbia (for example) raises Atlantic salmon.

The associations representing salmon farmers emphasize this sort of thing ~ so that "wild" salmon stocks are not allowed to breed with "farmed" salmon.

I presume that was the part where you had a problem ~ but, alas, I have that reference and a whole lot of others (358,000 of 'em) to look at.

26 posted on 03/18/2006 4:45:43 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
BTW, the "old timers" I refer to are people I've talked to about PAC NW salmon canneries, and the taste switch from white to pink to red salmon.

Little short guys, too, and they know fish ~ and they all have more than their fair share of scars from cutting up salmon.

27 posted on 03/18/2006 4:47:41 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Lived in Alaska for years, commercial fished a bit, (salmon troller and even longlined for halibut) been around canneries, flash freezing operations etc and know about iron *hinks replacing the Chinese and Filipinos. Never heard anyhing such as you state.


28 posted on 03/18/2006 8:54:17 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: muawiyah

Atlantic salmon farmed raised in the Atlantic or Pacific are still Atlantic salmon. (anymore, the shrimp one gets are often farm raised in fresh water hundreds of miles from the ocean)

Farm raising Pacific salmon for the reasons I stated, are not a viable commercial venture. They simply do not take to being caged up, fed an artificial diet and put on weight.


29 posted on 03/18/2006 9:03:20 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
You are simply not old enough to have been present when the public preference shifted from white to pink to red salmon meat.

If you were about 125 years of age you could possibly have been there (as were my informants).

30 posted on 03/19/2006 10:05:55 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Atlantic farmed Salmon in BC are not going to breed with the Pacific salmon, now, are they?


31 posted on 03/19/2006 10:06:49 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Uh, farm raised, as in raised in captivity, if the salmon escaped, not much profit in that. Salmon return to the rivers and creeks where they were hatched at to spawn.


32 posted on 03/19/2006 7:49:45 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: muawiyah
You are correct, I not only was not there, I know nothing of that which you claim as factual.

I relinquish this field to you, Au revoir.
33 posted on 03/19/2006 8:03:07 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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