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Did Carolina Dogs Arrive With Ancient Americans?
National Geographic ^ | March 11, 2003 | Brian Handwerk

Posted on 03/28/2006 11:00:20 AM PST by RegulatorCountry

Humans and dogs enjoy a prehistoric relationship, a longstanding bond with its origins in a time when dogs as we know them evolved from wild animals into our domesticated companions.

Now, a canine living in a manner similar to that of dogs from those ancient days may have been discovered in isolated stretches of longleaf pines and cypress swamps in the American Southeast.

The Carolina Dog, a familiar-looking animal long known in the rural South as the "yaller dog," may be more than the common mutt that immediately meets the eye. I. Lehr Brisbin, Jr., Senior Ecologist at the University of Georgia's Savannah River Ecology Lab, believes that these animals may be America's most primitive dogs.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...


TOPICS: Education; History; Local News; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; carolinadog; dixie; dixiedingo; dog; dogs; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; northcarolina; precolumbian; southcarolina
I saw the National Geographic special the other day, found it interesting, and thought others might find it interesting as well.
1 posted on 03/28/2006 11:00:22 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Ole Yeller?


2 posted on 03/28/2006 11:01:35 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: Mikey_1962

"Ole Yeller?"

Apparently. Those old mutts might be older than we thought, lol.


3 posted on 03/28/2006 11:04:41 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Don't know about "yaller dogs," but found this information after my daughter got a Catahoula:

Once called a "Catahoula Cur," the foundation of the Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog came into existence through chance breeding and from some planned breeding. The Indians in and around Louisiana used the Red Wolf, which then roamed Louisiana during this period, to locate game, much in the same manner as hunters use their dogs today. Hernando DeSoto had traveled from Florida into Louisiana, bringing with him the "War Dogs" that had made the journey to the New World. The breeds that were referred to as War Dogs were the Greyhound and the Mastiff. Research has shown that the Mastiff type of dog that accompanied him was probably those known as the "Alano Mastiff" of Spain, which are now extinct. These Mastiffs had a reputation of being able to pull down very large game with ease. DeSoto utilized their abilities to persuade the Indians to provide information on the whereabouts of Gold and Treasure. Mostly those already owned by the Indians.

After suffering defeat in battle, DeSoto abandoned his War Dogs which were allowed to roam freely. They bred and interbreed with each other along with the Red Wolf. The offspring of the various breedings were then used by the Indians, and became known as the "Wolf Dog." The Wolf Dog, which is mentioned in Louisiana History, as well as most history books covering this era, was the name given to them by Henri Tonti during one of his visits to Louisiana.

By the early 1700's the French had started arriving in Louisiana. Hearing the stories of Tonti of the abundance of game in Louisiana the French brought with them a dog known as the "Bas Rouge," or Red Stockings. This dog has also been called the "Berger de Beauce." Today that very dog is known as the Beauceron. The French bred their dogs with those of the Indians' Wolf Dog, and together these four canines contributed to the inception of the Catahoula that we know today.


4 posted on 03/28/2006 11:08:47 AM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I copied the article for my neighbor. She "rescued " a dog from the pound that looks exactly like the one depicted. I had often thought it had Dingo lines...... maybe I was right.


5 posted on 03/28/2006 11:12:35 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: colorcountry

Am I mistaken, or doesn't having two different eye colors indicate chimerism, having two distinct genetic makeups? The only other breed I've seen with eyes like that is the Australian Shepherd.


6 posted on 03/28/2006 11:20:59 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping?


7 posted on 03/28/2006 11:22:05 AM PST by indcons (The MSM - Mainstream Slime Merchants)
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To: RegulatorCountry
In the article, the physical similarity of the Carolina Dog to a breed from an isolated part of Korea was noted. If DNA studies show these two breeds to be very close genetically, it would support the contention of mainstream historians and archaeologists that the American Indians are predominantly of Northeast Asian origin.
8 posted on 03/28/2006 11:23:06 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

"If DNA studies show these two breeds to be very close genetically, it would support the contention of mainstream historians and archaeologists that the American Indians are predominantly of Northeast Asian origin."

Why would they have been wiped out across the entire continent, other than in the isolated pine barrens, swamps and barrier islands of NC, SC, GA and northern FL, though? This region has not been free, historically speaking, of large predators, such as wolves and panthers (referred to by the Scots-Irish as "painters").


9 posted on 03/28/2006 11:28:30 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

I didn't know Australian Shepherds were chimeric. When I first saw a Catahoula I assumed they were part Australian Shepherd. Not only do they resemble them, but Catahoulas are used in herding cattle too.


10 posted on 03/28/2006 11:32:25 AM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: colorcountry

"I didn't know Australian Shepherds were chimeric."

I don't know it for absolute certain, either. But, there are two causes for this that I am aware, which would be eye injury or chimerism, and I don't think every Australian Shepherd I've ever seen had an eye injury. Maybe there are other causes, but I'm not aware of them.


11 posted on 03/28/2006 11:35:23 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: colorcountry
The most vicious animal I have ever encountered was a Catahoula ...

I hope never to see another one.

12 posted on 03/28/2006 11:39:25 AM PST by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think it's just a genetic trait since they can breed for it. I did find this snipette:

"It is told, that Native Americans referred to the dogs with mixed eyes as "spirit dogs", and considered them a gift and of great honor."


13 posted on 03/28/2006 11:51:23 AM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: indcons; pcottraux; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks indcons. Not a ping, because we've had a topic or two about Carolina dogs, but will add it to the catalog, as well as ping pcottraux for a possible cryptobiology ping.

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14 posted on 03/28/2006 11:52:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: colorcountry

Their stare is sort of disconcerting. It's intense, like any herding breed, but the two different eye colors really puts the whammy on you, lol. I can see why the tribes in the area would refer to them as "spirit dogs."


15 posted on 03/28/2006 11:54:07 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Why would they have been wiped out across the entire continent, other than in the isolated pine barrens, swamps and barrier islands of NC, SC, GA and northern FL, though?

I don't know, but one possibility is that the Carolina Dogs represent the oldest canine population, in terms of residence on this continent. If immigration from Northeast Asia was continuous over several thousand years, later arrivals might have brought different breeds which either overwhelmed and assimilated any Carolina like canines elsewhere in what would become the U.S. and Canada. If the Bering Strait "bridge" during the Ice Age theory is correct, then the coastal Southeast would represent the opposite end of the continent from Alaska. Newer migrants, dog and human alike, may not have penetrated these areas in the pre-Columban era.

16 posted on 03/28/2006 11:54:12 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: caryatid
Really? My daughter's is very loving and sweet. I have a standard poodle that is the most kind, loving dog I have ever met....but I've had others tell me that poodles are a vicious breed. LOL

Same dog different hairstyle....

17 posted on 03/28/2006 11:54:57 AM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: RegulatorCountry
The Dixie Dingo (Carolina Dog)
18 posted on 03/28/2006 12:12:11 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Angelas; presidio9; Idisarthur; Hegemony Cricket; A knight without armor; new cruelty; ..
Ah, why not?

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19 posted on 03/28/2006 12:14:30 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: blam

No wonder I missed it.


20 posted on 03/28/2006 12:15:41 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Wallace T.

Dixie Dingo - Carolina Dog

21 posted on 03/28/2006 12:22:19 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The picture posted there reminded me of the canaan dog of the Middle East (Israel). Their resemblence is like most feral dogs.


22 posted on 03/28/2006 12:24:44 PM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: Sarcastic1

Dog ping


23 posted on 03/28/2006 12:26:51 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Going armed to the terror of the public.)
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To: colorcountry

Looks very similar to the New Guinea Singing Dog. I think the ancient breeds are fascinating. Got a couple of Basenjis, myself.

24 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:15 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: RegulatorCountry
I don't know about all that but this here sure is a good ole boy, I tell you what...


25 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:30 PM PST by HOTTIEBOY (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: colorcountry

Dixie Dingo - Carolina Dog

26 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:33 PM PST by blam
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To: Tijeras_Slim; blam
Feral dogs are beautiful.

Canis Lupis Dingo

27 posted on 03/28/2006 12:35:43 PM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: colorcountry; Sentis

Dixie Dingo - Carolina Dog

FReeper Sentis has some Carolina Dogs and some great pictures. I'll ping him/her over here.

28 posted on 03/28/2006 12:36:04 PM PST by blam
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To: RegulatorCountry

Back home we call them "jackals," because of their similarity the dogs kept by Africans (the ones who still live in the dirt). You know, yellow coat, curly tail, busy busy busy. They make great pets, by the way.


29 posted on 03/28/2006 12:39:47 PM PST by warchild9
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To: RegulatorCountry

Back home we call them "jackals," because of their similarity the dogs kept by Africans (the ones who still live in the dirt). You know, yellow coat, curly tail, busy busy busy. They make great pets, by the way.


30 posted on 03/28/2006 12:41:15 PM PST by warchild9
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To: All

Please forgive the double post


31 posted on 03/28/2006 12:41:59 PM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9

Where is "back home" for you?


32 posted on 03/28/2006 12:47:07 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Just a big ole sweetie, lol.


33 posted on 03/28/2006 12:49:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

"These include hunting snakes in an effective pack formation and dispatching by cracking them, whip-like, into the air."

A mutt we owned (or owned us) when I was a kid killed rattlesnakes in just this fashion. It made for hours of amusement in the boonies of West Texas.


34 posted on 03/28/2006 1:22:30 PM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: nuke rocketeer
As a kid, I had a Dachshund (!) that was quite the effective snake hunter, until a copperhead got him right on the nose. The venom went straight to his brain and he died in my arms in the back seat of my parents' car, on the way to the vet. He was one heck of a dog, very brave. No sense of proportion whatsoever, would jump on a Great Dane if it came into "his" yard. He wasn't much with strangers, but he loved, and I mean loved, his people. I still miss him, it's been 30 years.
35 posted on 03/28/2006 1:32:07 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: colorcountry

funny but the first dog I can remember chasing me (not in a happy way) was a standard poodle..

but when I think of the most vicious dogs I think of Chows.. they aren't safe to have around children or smaller animals..


36 posted on 03/28/2006 1:43:27 PM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I've had two dachshunds.. the first one was tough.. she survived being poisoned then kicked in the ribs by an evil old man... lived til 13 when she was run over by a tractor she was sleeping under..

The one I have now couldn't find a hot piece of bacon if you put it in front of her nose... worst smell hound ever! But she's a great snuggle dog.


37 posted on 03/28/2006 1:46:18 PM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Awestruck

I read that chows were bred for food....to be eaten. I guess I might have a vicious temperment if I thought I might wind up on your dinner plate.


38 posted on 03/28/2006 1:48:07 PM PST by colorcountry (Some folks wear their halos much too tight)
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To: colorcountry

I almost forgot.. I do have some happy memories of a standard poodle... I keep forgetting my grandpa's dog was a standard... never thought of him as a poodle because his hair was never cut.. he was a big shaggy chocolate brown goofball.. My grandpa gave him pancakes at the table on his birthday... his name was Bear.


39 posted on 03/28/2006 1:52:03 PM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: blam
My Carolina Dogs http://midgardproject.org/carolina.htm

Two years ago I moved to Georgia near Ft Stewart and pretty much in the middle of a swamp. About six months ago we were burning some trash and noticed that a dog came out of the woods went right into the fire and started picking out trash to eat from the middle of the fire. She must have been very hungry to do that and so we started leaving out food for her. Before long she started staying at the house full time. A friend of mine on seeing her said the dog looked like a dingo as she had ears that stood up all the time and had a hooked tail. I decided to find out if this dog was austrailian and I came on the carolina dog site. That was surprising she looked just like those dogs. Well not long after she showed up she went into heat and another one of these dogs shows up from out of the woods but he was alot shyer and never stayed around. Needless to say she had puppies with another of these dogs that came out of the woods. Jane Gunnell (I think she is president of the Carolina dog association) came and looked at the mother and believes her to be a full Carolina dog. I think the puppies are probably about 3/4th (we don;t know that much about the father dog) I do have three of the puppies still up for adoption (for free). And yes there are black and white Carolina dogs (not just yellow)

40 posted on 03/28/2006 2:03:38 PM PST by Sentis
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To: Sentis

The mother looks very white in these pics however she is yellow on the back and I have noticed as her winter coat is shedding she is becoming more yellow. I have also noticed her lately digging the snout pits and found a bunch of them under some of my peach trees.


41 posted on 03/28/2006 2:09:06 PM PST by Sentis
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To: LongElegantLegs
Thanks, cute, whatever they are. How is your Texas ?
I was riding home with one of the ladies at church and she was dissing him and his breed! And Pippin's daddy!!
42 posted on 03/28/2006 5:36:36 PM PST by Sarcastic1 (Whatever)
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To: pcottraux

Bar-rooooooooooooo!


43 posted on 03/28/2006 6:48:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Eastern North Carolina. Home of inbred dogs...and certain families I could mention.


44 posted on 03/29/2006 6:43:00 AM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9

"Home of inbred dogs...and certain families I could mention."

Yours, LOL?


45 posted on 03/29/2006 7:10:35 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Naw, my daddy broke that convention when he married my mother (second generation Swede), and moved all of us from our family concentration in Kentucky. I married a Cuban, and now our family tree branches nicely.


46 posted on 03/29/2006 7:15:21 AM PST by warchild9
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To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


47 posted on 03/04/2013 5:20:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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