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Law Professor Bans Laptops in Class
AP/Yahoo ^ | Wed Mar 29, 8:21 AM ET

Posted on 03/30/2006 3:21:01 AM PST by martin_fierro

Law Professor Bans Laptops in Class

Wed Mar 29, 8:21 AM ET

MEMPHIS, Tenn. - A University of Memphis law professor has banned laptop computers from her classroom and her students are passing a petition against it.

Professor June Entman says her main concern is that students are so busy keyboarding they can't think and analyze what she's telling them.

Students have begun collecting signatures on petitions and tried unsuccessfully to file a complaint with the American Bar Association.

Student Cory Winsett says if he must continue without his laptop, he'll transfer to another school. Winsett says he won't be able to keep up if he has to rely on hand-written notes, which he says are incomplete and less organized.


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< lame waffle > I guess I can see both sides. < /lame waffle >
1 posted on 03/30/2006 3:21:02 AM PST by martin_fierro
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June F. Entman

Professor of Law
 

Teaching interests: Civil Procedure, Advanced Civil Procedure, Evidence.

Education: B. A., 1967, Smith College; M. A. T., 1969, University of Chicago; J. D., May, 1981, The University of Memphis School of Law.

Experience: Associate, Burch, Porter & Johnson, Memphis, 1982-84; Law Clerk for Honorable Charles E. Nearn, Tennessee Court of Appeals, 1981-82; Social Studies teacher, 1968-75, New Trier High School, Northfield, Illinois; joined the University of Memphis School of Law faculty in 1984.

Admitted: Tennessee.

Achievements/Publications: Co-author with Robert Banks, Jr. of the treatise Tennessee Civil Procedure 1999.  Professor Entman has authored several articles primarily in the areas of evidence and civil procedure for the Case Western Reserve Law Review, The University of Memphis Law Review, the North Carolina Law Review, the University of Florida Law Review, and the Tennessee Bar Journal; she has served as reporter for Tennessee Pattern Jury Instructions-Civil, 8 Tennessee Practice (2nd ed. 1988 & Supp. 1990); Tennessee Supreme Court Commission on Dispute Resolution, 1992-94; Local Rules Advisory Committee, United States District Court for the Western District of Tennessee, 1989-92.
 


2 posted on 03/30/2006 3:23:02 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: xsmommy
Students have begun collecting signatures on petitions and tried unsuccessfully to file a complaint with the American Bar Association.

They're 0/1.

3 posted on 03/30/2006 3:24:13 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

I liked the idea that 'typing' has now become 'keyboarding'. Nouns into verbs. Ho hum.

kind regards


4 posted on 03/30/2006 3:32:50 AM PST by vimto ("I've seen the future of Islam, Guess what? We won!")
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To: martin_fierro

Why don't they sue?


5 posted on 03/30/2006 3:32:50 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
Why don't they sue?

Sure, they can sue the woman who wrote the book on state civil procedure.

And she'll have 'em tied up in Discovery motions until she -- or they -- are ready to retire.

6 posted on 03/30/2006 3:39:30 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro
No two sides to see. The Professor is the Master of her class, like the Captain is Master of his ship, or a driver is Master of his vehicle. A total King in his domain (or in this case Queen in her domain).

Now the students have a choice -- they can switch to another section under a different prof, a different class, another school -- or not go to law school at all. In Illinois they could even still become lawyers WITHOUT going to law school. (Hooray for Illinois!)

The Professor's word is the LAW.

7 posted on 03/30/2006 3:39:42 AM PST by bvw
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To: martin_fierro

Good for the professor.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 3:45:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: bvw
. . . or not go to law school at all. In Illinois they could even still become lawyers WITHOUT going to law school.

Do you have a source for this?

9 posted on 03/30/2006 3:46:01 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: martin_fierro
Excellent treatment of the issue here, if anyone's curious. Good enough to lose her a job at Chicago-Kent, according to rumor.

Molly Lien, Technocentrism and the Soul of the Common Law Lawyer, 48 Am. U. L. Rev. 85 (1998).

10 posted on 03/30/2006 3:52:02 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: martin_fierro

The students are the customers, purchasing instruction from the professor. If the university is a good vendor, it will instruct this wayward employee to give the customers the convenience they expect.


11 posted on 03/30/2006 4:09:37 AM PST by wideawake
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To: martin_fierro

The little buggers are FReepin', I tell ya......


12 posted on 03/30/2006 4:12:17 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: martin_fierro
Winsett says he won't be able to keep up if he has to rely on hand-written notes, which he says are incomplete and less organized.

That’s good. My handwriting is pretty bad, and my notes too were incomplete and ill organized. This had the advantage of forcing me to organize my notes after class instead of drinking and having a good time – but I enjoyed learning so it wasn’t all that bad for me.
Going over the incomplete notes helps to install the information in memory. Searching short term memory to decipher notes is reinforcement. Concentrating on the laptop and what you are typing does distract from what is being disseminated in class.
13 posted on 03/30/2006 4:17:23 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: martin_fierro
Professor June Entman says her main concern is that students are so busy keyboarding they can't think and analyze what she's telling them
. . . which is why she should hand out notes on what she was going to say.

14 posted on 03/30/2006 4:42:37 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I think she is silly. I personally agree with her, but if the students are used to taking notes like that, then why deny them that? My husband is a professor and has learned not to do these stupid things when it aggrevates students. Many teachers ban cell phones, but he has a lot of adults with children taking his classes and doesn't want to deny them that. So he uses humor. When someone's cell phone goes off, he begins to dance to the music; it embarasses the students. Another teacher there has the student sing to the music for the class. You can do little things so that students get the idea. If these students think this is so important, let them do it.


15 posted on 03/30/2006 5:34:52 AM PST by twigs
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To: martin_fierro

Many, many years ago..during inorganic chem class frosh year of college..2nd lecture of the semester..taught, BTW..by a very distinguished professor, not a GA..50 or so in the lecture hall..he walks in..asks a question of the class..of course no one volunteers..he looks down at us..says.."either all of you are geniuses, and know all the material, and think the question is beneath you, or you are all cretins, and haven't bothered to even open the book. In either case, there's no point in wasting my time, and yours.."..and he walked out of the room..

needless to say..from that day forward..all of us were vigorous paticipants in the discussion.


16 posted on 03/30/2006 5:40:51 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: vimto
"I liked the idea that 'typing' has now become 'keyboarding'. Nouns into verbs. Ho hum."

No different than adding "tion" or "ion" onto a verb and making the verb a noun.... but that's off topic.

17 posted on 03/30/2006 5:43:55 AM PST by DaGman
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To: twigs

You are correct in the sense that there are students taking notes on a laptop who literally know no other way to do so. In other words, they will be caught in this professor's net. On the other hand, as Prof. Lien argues in her law review article (and I have observed myself), in a class where the professor is relying on the Socratic Method, the system nearly grinds to a halt because half the students are too busy taking dictation to participate.


18 posted on 03/30/2006 5:44:53 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: vimto

"I liked the idea that 'typing' has now become 'keyboarding'. Nouns into verbs. Ho hum. "

That happened to barbecue a long time ago.


19 posted on 03/30/2006 5:46:26 AM PST by Rebelbase (Bush signed CFR. He deserves to be bitched at as much as McCain.)
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To: DaGman

So keyboarding is the new typetion?

Golly gosh, no!


20 posted on 03/30/2006 5:46:59 AM PST by vimto ("I've seen the future of Islam, Guess what? We won!")
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To: martin_fierro

And there's a whole helluva lot of us that have one or more degrees and did it all with (OMG!) handwritten notes. My handwriting has never been legible since then. But I can read my writing, most of the time, as long as it hasn't been too long since I wrote it!


21 posted on 03/30/2006 5:47:00 AM PST by DaGman
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To: Rebelbase

I thought the verb of 'barbecue' was 'cindering'.

kind regards,


22 posted on 03/30/2006 5:48:52 AM PST by vimto ("I've seen the future of Islam, Guess what? We won!")
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To: wideawake
The students are the customers, purchasing instruction from the professor. If the university is a good vendor, it will instruct this wayward employee to give the customers the convenience they expect.

Almost exactly backwards. In this case the vendor is always right, if you disagree you can quit or be pushed-out, and you'll still have to pay the bill.

23 posted on 03/30/2006 5:51:04 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ken5050
One day in my civpro class, the professor gave us all a speech....it is important that you show up to class, even if you are not prepared. If I call on you and you are not prepared, say so and I will give you a pass.

Naturally, the next class he calls on me and I had not read the case for that day. I take a pass, and he proceeds to rail on me.

LOL...lesson learned.

24 posted on 03/30/2006 5:52:34 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: vimto

I should have included adding "ing" onto a verb to make it a noun:

Noun 1. typingtyping - writing done with a typewriter
typewriting
writing - letters or symbols written or imprinted on a surface to represent the sounds or words of a language; "he turned the paper over so the writing wouldn't show"; "the doctor's writing was illegible"
double-spacing - typing that leaves alternate lines blank
single-spacing - typing that does not leave lines blank
triple-spacing - typing that leaves two lines blank between lines of typing
touch system, touch typing - typewriting in which the fingers are trained to hit particular keys; typist can read and type at the same time

http://www.tfd.com/typing


25 posted on 03/30/2006 5:54:09 AM PST by DaGman
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
. . . which is why she should hand out notes on what she was going to say.

That is simply not possible if the professor is teaching in a traditional, Socratic manner.

26 posted on 03/30/2006 5:54:10 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: twigs

"You can do little things so that students get the idea"

Your husband is a good teacher.

I had a civics prof. who encouraged class particiaption and made like he was huffing on a joint every time he mentioned the term "~joint~ session of Congress".

It got to where he'd say "joint", motion the class to proceed and there'd be 60+ people acting like cheech and chong for about 5 seconds, then he'd continue "session of Congress".....


27 posted on 03/30/2006 5:55:24 AM PST by Rebelbase (Bush signed CFR. He deserves to be bitched at as much as McCain.)
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To: ContemptofCourt

Interestingly enough, Molly Lien taught Civil Procedure, Legal Writing, and some other stuff.


28 posted on 03/30/2006 5:57:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: vimto

"I thought the verb of 'barbecue' was 'cindering'. "

True, but that version is only used in the context of hapless and inept.


29 posted on 03/30/2006 5:58:53 AM PST by Rebelbase (Bush signed CFR. He deserves to be bitched at as much as McCain.)
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To: ContemptofCourt
LOL..reminds me of the classic old baseball story...Ty Cobb, not noted for his civility, was tossed out of the first game of a doubleheader for arguing with and cussing at the home plate ump..so the second game starts,and Cobb, leading off, walks up to the plate..all nice and polite..and he asks the ump a question..."Can I get thrown out for thinking?"..Nope, says the ump.."OK then," says Cobb.." I think you're a LOUSY NO GOOD &^%&*)&^$%*&()*&^%$*)__&^+^)__"....Needless to say..He got tossed again..
30 posted on 03/30/2006 6:05:08 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: Rebelbase
Your husband is a good teacher.

He is! And a great husband to boot! He's even a dem! But unlike too many political dems, he has a great sense of humor and uses it whenever he can. He can lighten any group if he feels like it. And he firmly believes that students learn a lot more if they are enjoying their education. I agree.

31 posted on 03/30/2006 6:17:07 AM PST by twigs
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To: vimto

A friend with a teenage son, years ago, told me that the school the kid went to changed the name of the class to "keyboarding" specifically so boys would take it. "Typing" class sounded secretarial.


32 posted on 03/30/2006 6:19:30 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Rebelbase

And 'party'.
I don't know if I'd like to sit in a class
where there is a lot of typing noise.
My typing is quiet, but my son's is not.
Why aren't they using recorders and typing notes later?


33 posted on 03/30/2006 6:23:33 AM PST by aspen64 (Fight crime. Shoot back.)
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To: martin_fierro
I guarantee you most of the laptop attention in college courses is not on note taking or internal school resources. It's either ESPN.com, Freerepublic.com, or Drudge.

I speak from firsthand experience....so guilty as charged.

This wouldn't be a bad idea for the corporate world either, too many folks panicking at emails (which will still be there when they can get back online) instead of providing ideas/debate in meetings.

34 posted on 03/30/2006 6:25:07 AM PST by Sam's Army (Another unsuccessful attempt to refrain from posting)
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To: martin_fierro

I dropped out of law school when they told me I couldn't bring my thermos to class..........


35 posted on 03/30/2006 6:28:50 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: vimto

Keyboarding is a 20 year old term around here.


36 posted on 03/30/2006 6:55:45 AM PST by neb52
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To: 1rudeboy
. . . which is why she should hand out notes on what she was going to say.

That is simply not possible if the professor is teaching in a traditional, Socratic manner.

Civpro isn't really one of those classes that lends itself to the Socratic method....its more like math....you have a rule, and you learn the parameters of the rule (and, of course, how far you can bend the rule).

Legal writing is even more of a joke. I told my legal writing prof in lawschool that I had to unlearn everything I knew about writing to make her happy and ace her class.

Interestingly, legal writing is usually taught by the rookies...

37 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:26 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: ContemptofCourt
Again, interestingly enough, Prof. Lien was the head of the Legal Writing Dept. at C-K. She taught other classes other than that and CivPro, so I suspect that's where she became concerned.

My Legal Writing professor's response, when she learned I studied English, was "I'm sorry." (no joke).

The best writers (in terms of the grades they received) in my LW class were science majors.

38 posted on 03/30/2006 7:19:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: martin_fierro

I posting from my laptop in Trust & Wills RIGHT NOW! MUHUHAHAHAHAHA


39 posted on 03/30/2006 7:37:11 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: martin_fierro

Also, one of my profs also banned laptops in class, but it didn't make national headlines. It doesn't matter; instead of surfing the net during class, I drew pictures and wrote lame Haikus in my notebook.


40 posted on 03/30/2006 7:39:11 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: martin_fierro

The students should just bring small tape recorders to class and tape the lecture. Then they could type out their notes afterwards.


41 posted on 03/30/2006 7:46:48 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ContemptofCourt
Legal writing is even more of a joke. I told my legal writing prof in lawschool that I had to unlearn everything I knew about writing to make her happy and ace her class.

Yes, and then you have to "turn off" legal writing mode for everyday communication.

I've been known to confirm lunch arangements by responding to an e-mail:

"Yes, let's proceed as set forth below."

I'm not even a lawyer, but I do a lot of drafting. I really scared myself that time.

42 posted on 03/30/2006 8:39:28 AM PST by confederacy of dunces (Workin' & lurkin')
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To: wideawake
The students are the customers, purchasing instruction from the professor.

Which they are free to do or not do as they see fit.

If the university is a good vendor, it will instruct this wayward employee to give the customers the convenience they expect.

Alternately, they may back up their employee, agree that different teaching techniques can be useful and that she may have a point about their education being better doing it her way and the level of competency of the graduates will lead them to higher compensation and ultimately to increased business for the school. Long view verses short view.

Education is generally inconvenient in my experience.

Just a different view.

43 posted on 03/30/2006 8:47:27 AM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: martin_fierro

What a great idea!


44 posted on 03/30/2006 8:48:29 AM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: Protagoras

Fair enough - but good vendors usually like to make things comfortable for clients who are spending large amounts of money.


45 posted on 03/30/2006 9:10:12 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Fair enough - but good vendors usually like to make things comfortable for clients who are spending large amounts of money.

I agree.

Which makes me think of another question. Who actually is spending the money? The "clients" in the class, or the parents who are actually paying the bills? Getting their reaction might be more pertinient.

46 posted on 03/30/2006 9:51:15 AM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Protagoras

Hard to say. My wife paid for her law degree through personal loans, and I would guess that most of her classmates did as well. There were certainly some whose parents wrote a single check as well, though.


47 posted on 03/30/2006 10:20:19 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
There is plenty of each I imagine. I guess I was thinking more of undergraduate studies. Post grad work is probably more student financed.

Now if we could only get some of the deadbeats among them to pay their student loans,,,,but that for a different thread......

48 posted on 03/30/2006 10:25:39 AM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: ShadowAce
The students should just bring small tape recorders to class and tape the lecture. Then they could type out their notes afterwards.

That would be a Class 3 felony in Illinois, unless the professor and every other student in class gives permission.

49 posted on 03/30/2006 10:40:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: neb52
It's a Brit thing I guess. Just Britting.

kind regards,
50 posted on 03/30/2006 11:49:09 AM PST by vimto ("I've seen the future of Islam, Guess what? We won!")
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