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Thinking about buying Beretta handgun
me ^ | 4-17-06 | me

Posted on 04/17/2006 7:26:29 PM PDT by LouAvul

I am thinking about buying a Beretta 9mm handgun. Am leaning toward the 92FS since it is the least expensive and all I want is a plinker.

I don't know what the vertec, inox, etc., is. But I understand that Beretta has been using more and more plastic and MIM parts lately.

Some shooters have even questioned their quality of late.

MIM doesn't really bother me since I'm sure my recent manufactured handguns use such.

Plastic doesn't really bother me since I also have a Glock 17.

But overall quality and reliability do concern me.

Thanx in advance.

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1 posted on 04/17/2006 7:26:29 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

I'm thinking about making some instant pudding. Mmmm, chocolate...


2 posted on 04/17/2006 7:31:48 PM PDT by RedBeaconNY (If you want to know what God thinks of money, look at the people He gave it to.)
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To: LouAvul
I am thinking about buying a Beretta 9mm handgun. Am leaning toward the 92FS since it is the least expensive and all I want is a plinker.

Think about the fact that the US Military is getting ready to replace all of theirs with 45s.

Dumping the 38s to go back to 45s ........ didn't we already go through this once after the Spanish American War?

So9

3 posted on 04/17/2006 7:34:19 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (" I am just going outside, and may be some time.")
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To: LouAvul

You might want to look at the Taurus 92. It's made at the same Brazillian factory that used to produce the Beretta, before they sold it lock, stock, and barrel (pun intended) to Taurus.


4 posted on 04/17/2006 7:39:45 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: LouAvul
Have you considered the Taurus PT92 9mm? Essentially the same pisotl, but about half the price.
Got mine at Wal-Mart about 8 years ago for ~$350
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5 posted on 04/17/2006 7:40:39 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: mwyounce

Great minds think alike....


6 posted on 04/17/2006 7:41:17 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: LouAvul

I have one and can't say I am in love with it. It has a nasty habit of slapping my trigger finger on the reset. Sort of like Chinese water torture after a couple hundred rounds. I bought one of the newer Browning HighPowers but not only are holsters a little hard to find but I haven't had time to shoot it yet.


7 posted on 04/17/2006 7:42:09 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Hodar
Great minds think alike....

Yes we do!

I love my Taurus 92.... I also have a 145 for CCW.

8 posted on 04/17/2006 7:43:34 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: LouAvul
Why Beretta?


9 posted on 04/17/2006 7:44:40 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: mwyounce; Hodar
I've got the Taurus, too. Different safety from the Beretta, but otherwise the same gun.
10 posted on 04/17/2006 7:46:59 PM PDT by ER Doc
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To: Servant of the 9

Just thinkin' here.

My 9mm will punch through some sheetrock, the back of a sofa and still have a little sting left to it. My clip holds 20 rounds (pre-limited clip days)of hollow points, so I can be very generous to my 'guests'. In the short range 'home turf' area; it's plenty lethal.

However, I do not think that my 9mm will likely exit my brick exterior, go into my neighbors brick exterior and ruin his day. If I had a 45; I'd have to be more stingy with the ammo. I sure hate to feel stingy when I have a guest to 'entertain'.

That's why I went 9mm. Sometimes limited penetration is a good thing. Now, in a police or military setting; I think we would both prefer the biggest, meanest and power packed punch we could get. But not in the middle of Surburbia. At least IMHO.


11 posted on 04/17/2006 7:47:54 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: LouAvul
I've had a 92FS for almost 7 years. Lots of shooting and I've never had even a hiccup with it. I'd highly recommend it for fun if nothing else. I think there are better handguns out there for for self defense.
12 posted on 04/17/2006 7:50:36 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: LouAvul

I believe you will be very happy with this firearm.

Its not small nor very concealable and it doesn't fit a lady's hand very well.

The 9mm is a flat shooting mild-recoil cartridge and Beretta are well known for the quality of their firearms.

If you have more gun that you enjoy shooting, you'll ever become very proficient with it.


13 posted on 04/17/2006 7:50:45 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American, or you are a liberal)
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To: mwyounce

Bought a set of Pacmeyers for it. The wood panels made the gun just a wee bit to 'slippery' for my tastes. Overall, this was an outstanding purchase. Cleans easy, assembles quickly, and has never jammed. Decent grouping.

I think every home should have one. It's a really good, solid, well made automatic. Glad to hear you're enjoying yours too.


14 posted on 04/17/2006 7:51:54 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: LouAvul
Personally I like the Sig Sauer P226 for a 9mm. A bit expensive but well worth it. I have shot about 3000 rounds with my SIG and not one cartridge has ever hung up in the slide.
15 posted on 04/17/2006 7:58:21 PM PDT by skimask (People who care what you do don't matter.......People who matter don't care what you do.)
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To: Servant of the 9

The US has bounced back and forth between large caliber (.44 to .45) and small caliber (.36/9mm) twice, once during black powder days, and again with smokeless powder.

No doubt, the .45 can have better terminal ballistics. The .36 is easier to shoot in some situations.

For a standard pistol range of 20 feet.

Say a .36 has a .9 probability of hit and a .8 probability of kill, given a hit.

Say a .45 has a .8 probability of hit, and a .9 probability of kill, given a hit.

The combination of each is the same, .8X.9=.72 or 72 percent probability of kill for one round. Shoot two rounds and you get. Pk= .72+.72-.72*.72 =0.9216 or 92 percent.

Cut the distance to 10 feet, and Probability of hit goes up, but Probability of kill given a hit stays the same.

.36......Pk= .95 X .8 = .76 for one round, .94 for two rounds

.45......Pk= .9 X .9 = .81 for one round, .96 for two rounds.

What happens is if your enemy gets closer, the .45 gets better.

Your mileage may vary. the above is one way to think about things.



The question is what happens when you get closer?


16 posted on 04/17/2006 8:18:25 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (A Turk is always a Turk, but you don't know WHAT a Christian will do.)
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To: LouAvul

Get a Sig.


17 posted on 04/17/2006 8:20:03 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: LouAvul
Got a 92 FS. Like any weapon (tool), you have to consider what you want it to do. Choose the right weapon for the intended job. What is it that you're trying to accomplish?

Pros: (1)very easy to dissassemble and clean (2)same as standard military sidearm, so good for military training (3)cheap and easily obtainable ammo (~$115 per 1000 rd. case) (4)reliable (5)due to military and law enforcement use, there will be spare parts for the rest of your life

Cons: (1)a little big for concealed carry (2)less take-down power than other calibers (e.g., .45 cal) (3)NOT cheap; i spent about $585 on mine

For me the deciding factor was having a personal weapon with which I could hone my military skills.

BTW, my spring guide is plastic, while military spring guide is steel.

18 posted on 04/17/2006 8:24:57 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: LouAvul
The P229R DAK™ is the standard pistol of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the U.S. Coast Guard who selected the P229 after a 3 million round grueling torture test.
19 posted on 04/17/2006 8:25:52 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Get a Sig.

Now that's a sig! </Crocodile Dundee voice>

20 posted on 04/17/2006 8:26:07 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: LouAvul
or this one

SIG SAUER® P226

21 posted on 04/17/2006 8:30:05 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: mwyounce

hehe :)


22 posted on 04/17/2006 8:30:55 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: mwyounce
P226R
The SIG SAUER® P226 is the pistol that set the standard by which all other combat handguns are measured. Designed as SIG’s entrant in the military trials to replace the 1911, today the P226 is in use by the U.S. Navy SEALs, Federal agents, and numerous law enforcement agencies including the Texas Rangers, Ohio State Highway Patrol and the Michigan State Police to name a few. The exceptional ergonomics and balance make this full-size pistol easy to handle. Available in either 9mm, .357 SIG or .40 S&W, its longer barrel yields better ballistic performance and accuracy.

Hmmm... IF the Texas Rangers use them they have to be the best. Chuck Norris is NEVER WRONG! :)

23 posted on 04/17/2006 8:33:14 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: LouAvul

FWIW, I bought a Beretta tomcat about 2 years ago. Despite living in a dry climate (SoCal), the blued parts of that gun were covered with rust very quickly. Nothing like that happened to any of my other guns, or, indeed, to any other metal thing I own. Just something to keep in mind.


24 posted on 04/17/2006 8:34:38 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: LouAvul
All of you have lost track of the fact that he says he wants a plinker. I have a 22 cal target pistol that does that just fine for me. (Going to have to dig it out and see who made it, do not remember off-hand)

Cheap gun, cheap ammo. Mine fires the 22LR which is very easy to get.

Unlike my primary handgun, a 1076 S&W.
25 posted on 04/17/2006 9:05:57 PM PDT by Postal Worker with a gun (I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.....)
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To: Postal Worker with a gun
I have the .22LR conversion kit for my Taurus....

So I can plink with .22 or 9mm ammo...

26 posted on 04/17/2006 9:32:50 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: Hodar
My 9mm will punch through some sheetrock, the back of a sofa and still have a little sting left to it. My clip holds 20 rounds (pre-limited clip days)of hollow points, so I can be very generous to my 'guests'. In the short range 'home turf' area; it's plenty lethal.

However, I do not think that my 9mm will likely exit my brick exterior, go into my neighbors brick exterior and ruin his day. If I had a 45; I'd have to be more stingy with the ammo. I sure hate to feel stingy when I have a guest to 'entertain'.

That's why I went 9mm. Sometimes limited penetration is a good thing. Now, in a police or military setting; I think we would both prefer the biggest, meanest and power packed punch we could get. But not in the middle of Surburbia. At least IMHO.

I've got 15 .45 rounds in my Para-Ordnance and I imagine it will penetrate less than your 9 due to lower velocity. It just makes a hell of a lot bigger hole.

If 15 .45 hollow points won't deal with the matter, I give up.

If you just gotta have a Beretta, consider one chambered for .357 SIG.

So9

27 posted on 04/17/2006 9:47:10 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (" I am just going outside, and may be some time.")
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To: Donald Meaker
Say a .36 has a .9 probability of hit and a .8 probability of kill, given a hit.

Say a .45 has a .8 probability of hit, and a .9 probability of kill, given a hit.

The combination of each is the same, .8X.9=.72 or 72 percent probability of kill for one round. Shoot two rounds and you get. Pk= .72+.72-.72*.72 =0.9216 or 92 percent.

I doubt your hit probabilities.
A .45 is no harder to hit with or control than a 9 if you aren't afraid of it. My son, at 5 feet tall and 100 pounds was shooting a 1911 with either hand as well as he did a .22

Go out to a local IPSC shoot and look at the size of some of the shooters using .45s, it's all about the attitude.

So9

28 posted on 04/17/2006 9:52:33 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (" I am just going outside, and may be some time.")
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To: LouAvul

I have a relatively new 92FS and a Vertec as well.

Both are just like the old-school Berettas: boring, but super-reliable. Not so much fun to shoot, but they go "bang" with comforting regularity.


29 posted on 04/17/2006 9:53:59 PM PDT by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: LouAvul
The 92FS is the most popular handgun sold. Next is the Glock 19.

If you spend a little time looking, you'll find a used 92FS for about $300, and there might be 50 rounds through it. Sometimes, they come with the box of 50 rounds that the guy got when he bought the gun, and there are ten or fifteen rounds missing.

MIM parts are standard on all Smith and Wesson guns, and all Kimbers. I don't like the technology myself, but it wasn't invented for gun makers and apparently, it works.

Beretta switched to a plastic trigger and a plastic guide rod. Both parts are easily and cheaply replaced. If you want a new one, you better get it soon. They're getting hard to come by.

30 posted on 04/17/2006 10:23:22 PM PDT by sig226
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To: sig226
The 92FS is the most popular handgun sold. Next is the Glock 19.

Not doubting you but I'd be interested in seeing a source for this remark. Thinking of a 9mm but wondering what's the best deal for a dual role home defense and (lots) range shooter - no point having an HD piece if you're not very familiar with it IMHO. Thanks.

31 posted on 04/17/2006 10:43:44 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Hodar

"My clip holds 20 rounds (pre-limited clip days)of hollow points, so I can be very generous to my 'guests'."


I have a six shot revolver and that will entertain any guest enough to make them wish they hadn't dropped by. LOL


32 posted on 04/18/2006 12:07:25 AM PDT by Proud Conservative2 ("When people show you who they are...BELIEVE THEM the first time..." Maya Angelou)
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To: Jubal Harshaw; LouAvul
I did a trade for a Tomcat. Excellent plinker. No problems with rust. Wonder what's goin on Jubal, think there's some kind of factory defect in the finish? I don't know, but I'm in a humid climate, and don't have that problem. Another friend of mine said that by the time someone dragged that 45 around, he'd have at least 3 shots in with the 'cat....laffed my butt off!

Thing is, I don't think you want to put a whole lot of rounds thru it.....and it sure makes my hand tired after about 10 clips (but that's just to get used to the feel of it, so's all I really need)....

But I do like that Tomcat.

33 posted on 04/18/2006 6:42:03 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: LouAvul

You might consider a CZ 75 as well. Similar in size to the 92 with more of a High-Power contour to the grip. 15+1 capacity with all steel construction. Easy to disassemble, reliable and accurate. NIB with 2 15 rd mags for around $425 depending on where you live.


34 posted on 04/18/2006 7:57:27 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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To: LouAvul

Have a 92FS for years without ever having a jam.

Also the 9mm ammo is cheaper. It is accurate and I use it for IPSC.

Now 45s are also fine, but don't forget to factor in the "I have a small gun" so I need a big firearm factor that influences alot of opinion.

Also shot placement is the real determinant. What can you control easily, not only at targets but if you are in a self-defense mode. Which will you control better and will the extra rounds you have with the 9mm factor in.

Did you write what you would use it for?


35 posted on 04/18/2006 9:47:25 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: skimask

I will second that Sig Sauer P226 expensive, yes but really reliable.

PS check out .357 revolvers


36 posted on 04/18/2006 2:43:22 PM PDT by Randall_Knife (Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't-Ben Franklin)
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To: 1066AD
The source of it is me selling them for nine years. You can guess what I really think is the best pistol. The cost dissuades some people, which I can understand.

If you plan to shoot it a lot, stick with a 9mm. The ammunition is the least expensive, and the recoil is not bad. Stay away from Taurus, and the other cheap makers. They won't stand up to heavy use.

One exception is the Ruger semi automatics. They cost less than the other famous names. They're heavy, which makes them recoil less. They aren't 'pretty,' but it's a gun, not a painting.

Put some heavy - 147 grain - hollowpoints in it and it will serve well. Just remember the old saying, "A handgun is a tool to fight your way to a rifle."

37 posted on 04/18/2006 7:49:10 PM PDT by sig226
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