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Gun Question: 270 vs .30/06
5/28/06 | Bear_Slayer

Posted on 05/28/2006 7:15:50 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer

My son is stepping up from .243 to a larger caliber hunting rifle.

The goal is to shoot deer and elk at farther distances.

His friend shoots .270 and my son has it in his mind that this is what he wants too.

I've owned and prefer the .30/06 and know little about the 270.

I do understand that the cartridge is the same as the 06 but not sure how that effects it in any real world situation.


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Thoughts?

Is there a good web page for common caliber ballistics, which also shows comparisons with other calibers?

Thanks.

1 posted on 05/28/2006 7:15:52 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer
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To: Bear_Slayer
I am not an expert but under 100 yds. the .270 has a flat trajectory. Over 100 the .270 drops of significantly. The .308 is predictable over 200 to 300 yards and can reach out a lot longer with consistent results. I have a Remington 700 .308 police model that has a fantastic MOA right out of the box. Anything under 350 yards near me is a goner.
2 posted on 05/28/2006 7:20:08 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Bear_Slayer

http://www.varmintal.net/index.htm


3 posted on 05/28/2006 7:20:29 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: vetvetdoug
Thanks.

BTW - what do you know about 308 Norma mag vs 308?

I'm looking at buying one used.

4 posted on 05/28/2006 7:21:06 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Depending on the terrain, the 7mm Rem. Mag. and the 7mm or .300 WSM may be a little more suitable for your son's needs. With regards to the .30-06 I'm prety much in agreement with Guns & Ammo magazine's Bob Milek...it's probably the most versatile, all-around utility round for North America, but if a weapon is being sought for a specific use or need, there's probably something better out there. In broad terms, the 7mm's and .300 mags will generally provide a flatter trajectory than the .30-06 and deliver more energy than the .270. Depending on how much Elk hunting is going to be done in pack country, or how much more the rifle will be carried than actually thought, the WSMs may provide a lighter package that's a lot easier to lug up and down hills/mountains for a couple days at a time.


5 posted on 05/28/2006 7:24:11 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Re: my post #5...I meant G&A's Craig Boddington, not Bob Milek.


6 posted on 05/28/2006 7:27:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Bear_Slayer
***Is there a good web page for common caliber ballistics, which also shows comparisons with other calibers?***

Yep every ammo manufacturer has one. Here's three..


7 posted on 05/28/2006 7:28:29 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I have a .270 myself which is good for anything from varmint hunting up to elk depending on the bullet. However, I did have a hunting guide in Alaska tell me, when I asked him how many guns he owned, that he only had one rifle and it was a 30.06. He said it was good for anything on the NA continent with the exception of Grizzly.


8 posted on 05/28/2006 7:30:10 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Bear_Slayer
Ballistics
9 posted on 05/28/2006 7:30:58 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty

Excellent. That's what I was looking for.


10 posted on 05/28/2006 7:34:21 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: saganite
I have a .270 myself which is good for anything from varmint hunting up to elk depending on the bullet.

I assume that would be larger varmits such as the coyote. Anything smaller, it seems to me, would be too much bullet, and even then the .270 would ruin a coyote hide, for the pelt hunter.

11 posted on 05/28/2006 7:39:36 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Bear_Slayer
I prefer my 1953 vintage Winchester 348...with steel buttplate.

Squeeze the trigger and wait about 30 minutes for that familliar sound of the strike...and yes....squeezing that trigger always results in a blued shoulder..a 2 pound hammer would do less dammage....but it creates such a loud report and shockwave.....!

12 posted on 05/28/2006 7:42:02 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Your choice of the two calibers is not nearly as important as regularly practicing up to the maximum anticipated range. {and estimating the range}


13 posted on 05/28/2006 8:03:20 AM PDT by labette (Through Him all things were made.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Correct. If you wanted a rifle for varmints only you would be better off with a .22-250 or a .22 hornet or something else in that range. The .270 will make an effective varmint gun with smaller bullets around 110 grain and makes a very effective big game cartridge with 150 grain bullet. It's the versatility of the caliber that I wanted to emphasize, not it's superiority in any particular application.


14 posted on 05/28/2006 8:04:43 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Bear_Slayer
Is there a good web page for common caliber ballistics, which also shows comparisons with other calibers?

You may want to take a look at Shoot! v.30 ballistics software (shareware - 30 day free trial).

15 posted on 05/28/2006 9:57:16 AM PDT by holymoly (Dick DeVos for MI Governor: http://www.devosforgovernor.com/)
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To: vetvetdoug

Try a 7mm08. Shoots flat. 139gr. Hornaday shoots 3000fps at the muzzle with much less kick than 270, 30-06 or 308.


16 posted on 05/28/2006 4:12:47 PM PDT by ishabibble
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To: Bear_Slayer
You're son will never be sorry he purchased a quality rifle in 30-06. Properly loaded it can take any game animal on the NA continent.

If he's already got a .243 and adds an 06 to his arsenal he'll be set for the rest of his natural life. Unless of course he starts hunting in Africa.

Just my two cents. You're mileage may vary.

L

17 posted on 05/28/2006 4:16:50 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

7mm Magnum. I have been on a whole lot of hunts where I saw this rifle do the trick at amazing distances, and drop even large game like a hammer. This rifle proved to me how Lee Harvey Oswald could have single handedly done what he did. I once witnessed a friend of mine shoot an elk with a Bolt Action Remington 7mm Magnum, and then shoot it again before it even hit the ground. And this was from about 300 yards. I was amazed. But I never had a problem believing that Lee Harvey was the lone gunman after that! I've always used a .308, and it just doesn't have the knock down power at distance that I think it should have. Great for Whitetail though.


18 posted on 05/28/2006 7:41:13 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Bear_Slayer

I faced the same thing with my son. got him the 270 w a muzzle break. he has taken many game animals up to and including elk, and a big moose with it. Winchester sells a high power 270 round that basically has the same energy as a 30-06 if you want more omph.

for a kid the 270 is way beter bacause it is manageable recoil, less flinching. and with the muzzle break it is very light recoil. i got a browning for him. has the advantage of the detachable box magazine.

the old saying is true; more important where the shot lands than the calibre.

i wouldnt go with the 30-06 for a kid. too much gun, and the performance isnt that much greater.


19 posted on 05/28/2006 7:47:04 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Bear_Slayer

forgot to add: the cartridge isnt the same. 270 will likely shoot a 140 grain, while the most common load for the 30-06 is 180 grain. but with the modern bullets like trophy bonded bear claw or nosler partition the 140 does a fine job on big game, short of bears.


20 posted on 05/28/2006 7:51:22 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: SaveUS
"I've always used a .308, and it just doesn't have the knock down power at distance that I think it should have. Great for Whitetail though."

I grew up in Western PA where we've got some good sized whitetail and shots range from up-front brush close to open gasline roads and old strip mines where shots of 300+ meters are available for those willing to take them ('though I would typically discourage as much for the sake of the game unless one is highly confident in one's ability, one's rifle and one's ammunition). I learned to hunt with a Savage 99 in .308 which never failed me, and although that rifle and Pennsylvania are both distant memories, that rifle has still dropped more whitetail than anyother firearm I've ever owned, and is possibly the ideal Western PA set-up.

21 posted on 05/28/2006 8:10:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Bear_Slayer

The thing to remember in this situation is that the .270 Winchester is simply a necked down 30/06 Springfield. The ballistics are virtually one in the same. It goes hand in hand with the .280 Remington as well. That said...a 30/06 would be probably the best all around cartridge for any North American game animals. Capable of being loaded from the light 100 or so grain varmint bullets, the 150 to 180 grainers for deer, the larger controlled expansion used on Elk with the largest 220 or so grains for Moose. More bullet/powder combinations are available for this cartridge than you can count. Why choose the limitations inherent in a .270 when you can have it all with the '06, the same case with a greater range of loading options. I personally use the 7mmRemMag for reasons that are purely aesthetic and nostalgic. It was debuted in 1962 along with the Model 700. The same year I was born and have used one my entire life. My other choices are my .308 and 30/06 and on occasion, my 45/70.The 7mmMag has nothing on the 30/06 in general.Just a matter of preference or perhaps nostalgia,which should play a large part in choosing a cartridge/firearm combination, as any of them are likely to do the job you set out to do.


22 posted on 05/29/2006 1:34:53 AM PDT by TD Bishop
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I appreciate all the responses. It has given me something to think about.

It seems that he would be ok with either rifle.

23 posted on 05/29/2006 5:22:55 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I just love my Winchester Model 100 .308. It has an old Redfield wide angle scope, and is probably the smoothest shooting rifle I have ever owned. But, that 7mm Mag will put a hurtin' on things that look like specks in the distance.


24 posted on 05/29/2006 4:54:29 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Bear_Slayer

How old is he? What is his build? The reason I ask is that a lot of people here are basing the decision on him being a kid. I was considered a kid at age 14 when I got my 30-.06 and I was thin (5'8" & 100 lbs. give or take a few lbs.). I had no problem shooting the gun, in fact I still have the target from the first sight in (one large ragged hole). Not bad for a semi-auto with over/under rings.


25 posted on 05/30/2006 8:16:05 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: looscnnn

Going on 15. Fair height. Slim build. He has shot my .30/06 and I think he is comfortable with either caliber.


26 posted on 05/30/2006 4:33:05 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Sounds a lot like what I was at that age. If he can handle either, then I guess there are only a couple of things to think about; is one cheaper than the other (gun/ammo), will it be used for other animals (start considering bullet weight ranges).

If you still have your .30/06, you may want to consider getting him one, you could get into reloading, save some money there, and have one set of dies for both rifles.

I am not trying to steer you towards the .30/06, just pointing out some things to think about as both are great rounds.


27 posted on 05/31/2006 11:27:19 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: looscnnn
I no longer have my .30/06, but am presently looking to get another.

I've got an extra Rem 870 I'm hoping to trade for a Remington 721. I'm looking for a project gun I can turn into a long range shooter. my son is leaning towards the .30/06 so it would be good to have matching calibers.

28 posted on 05/31/2006 8:25:12 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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