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Mother fights hospital to keep baby on life support (Terri's Legacy)
KTEN.com ^ | June 1, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2006 7:20:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

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To: FreepinforTerri
A brain damaged child is still a child. You don't throw away human beings like bruised tomatoes because of a disability.

This child does not suffer from a disability. He cannot live without the respirator, and will not improve.

201 posted on 06/05/2006 1:20:32 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: Protagoras
My question was, if he's already dead as you say, why would the hospital have to kill him?
202 posted on 06/05/2006 2:05:16 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: sinkspur
Brain damage is a disability. My mom requires oxygen to help her breathe. She can only walk short distances, and for long ones I must push her in a wheelchair. You wouldn't suggest killing my mother? I'm sure you're not suggesting that physical ability be a basis to letting people live, then why mental ability?
203 posted on 06/05/2006 2:08:51 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri

Is your mother on a respirator? If she's not, then her situation resembles not at all the one detailed in the article.


204 posted on 06/05/2006 2:11:30 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: sinkspur

No hyperbole there. Removing medical treatment from someone that needs it to live with the understanding that removing such care will kill them- that's killing them. It's really that simple.

About these hospitals: You're forgetting that Dr. Burke Balch had to negotiate for years to get that meager 10 day reprieve. Hospitals desired the ability to just remove treatment and kill people on the spot. They have no desire to allow time to let a patient move to another facility or they wouldn't enforce the pathetic, unreasonable 10 day rule. We have to obtain court orders to get more time in every case.

I don't agree that it's okay to kill terminally ill people. If they are terminal, let them die naturally. Why the big damn hurry?


205 posted on 06/05/2006 2:15:08 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: sinkspur

I'm asking you where it stops. I'm pointing out the dangerous precedent so easily set when determining who should live and who should die based on physical/mental ability.


206 posted on 06/05/2006 2:16:53 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
I don't agree that it's okay to kill terminally ill people. If they are terminal, let them die naturally.

If the respirator is removed from this child, he will die naturally.

207 posted on 06/05/2006 2:26:02 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: FreepinforTerri
I'm pointing out the dangerous precedent so easily set when determining who should live and who should die based on physical/mental ability.

You said, in a previous post, that terminally ill people should be allowed to die naturally. That's what the hospital is doing in this case.

208 posted on 06/05/2006 2:27:00 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: sinkspur

We were discussing Andrea Clark, not little Daniel.


209 posted on 06/05/2006 2:29:32 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: sinkspur

Daniel is brain damaged. He's not terminally ill.


210 posted on 06/05/2006 2:32:38 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
We were discussing Andrea Clark, not little Daniel.

Daniel Cullen is the subject of this thread. That is who I meant. Ms. Clark was obviously terminal, as she died during the controversy over whether Hermann should find another hospital for her.

211 posted on 06/05/2006 2:33:20 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: sinkspur

"And will not improve."

I'm not suggesting he will improve. I've never examined him nor am I qualified to do so, but I find it striking that you are so adamant about your "diagnosis." He will NEVER improve. How do you know?

I know of a little girl who doctors wanted to remove treatment from because they beleived she wouldn't improve--and she did improve significantly. She had no hearing or sight- and now has both. She was a brain-damaged preemie also and requires oxygen support.

You're putting a lot of faith in the opinion of doctors with economic interests. While I don't doubt that they are most likely correct in their prognosis, I wouldn't damn any hope for a miracle with the gusto and enthusiasm that you have for his inevitable demise.

Likewise, respirators are training tools for brain-injured patients and if given enough time and the right parts of the brain are still functional, the lungs will learn to breathe on their own again. True, that part of little Daniel's brain might not be functional, but the mere presence of a respirator does not equal brain death in many, many cases.

Google "Jason Childress" and "UVA" for just one example.


212 posted on 06/05/2006 2:44:26 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
While I don't doubt that they are most likely correct in their prognosis, I wouldn't damn any hope for a miracle with the gusto and enthusiasm that you have for his inevitable demise.

Do you oppose ever removing life support, even when a person is brain dead?

213 posted on 06/05/2006 2:48:34 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: sinkspur

Each situation is subjective and I err on the side of life. I can't say I wouldn't ever remove life support, but I'm certainly not itching to pull the plug.

In this euthanasia-happy society, there are those that aren't making a determination on a case-by-case basis, but rather want to rid the world of poor people getting publicly-funded medical care, disabled people, ill people, people of certain ethnicities, religions and so forth.

Read Margaret Sanger's writings, listen to tapes by euthanasia pros and you'll see why I don't accept the opinions of economically-invested and ideologically-invested doctors at face value.


214 posted on 06/05/2006 3:18:02 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri

As I posted early in the thread, the Catholic Church has provided a moral framework for making these kinds of end-of-life decisions. Life is a great value, but it is not an absolute value, and there are other legitimate moral factors that go into deciding when life support may end.


215 posted on 06/05/2006 3:54:00 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: robertpaulsen
How could it? The autopsy report clearly stated, "The Persistent Vegetative State and the minimally conscious state are clinical diagnoses, not pathological ones". The pathologist is not in a position to make that call.

Yes, and what was the clinical diagnoses? Cerebral cortex was completely gone, ritght? Remember, "liquidfied", "mush", "all turned to water". You know the drill.

However, what was the autopsy report on the Cerebral Cortex? I think it said "relativly intact" if I remember right. Oops, somebody made a boo boo.

Oh BTW, here is your deceased pal Dr. Cranford praising Terri in his examination before he recomended that she should be killed.

Cerebral Cortex at work - "good job young lady"

216 posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:06 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: 8mmMauser

This is so wrong. I knew when these living will things started that it would lead to this. They pretend you have a choice, but actually you do not. They place no value on human life.


217 posted on 06/05/2006 4:53:42 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: FreepinforTerri

I defy you to show us where on this thread I said that Belcher's manifest unfitness was "justification for killing her child."

I'll be waiting.


218 posted on 06/05/2006 6:02:40 PM PDT by Xenalyte (There are some things money can't buy, like a dinosaur.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Why do liberals always digress when they lose?

Hmmmmmmmmmm?


219 posted on 06/05/2006 6:45:22 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: FreepinforTerri
I didn't say he was dead.

You seem confused. Does that happen to you a lot?

Perhaps it's your obsession that is blurring your ability to comprehend.

220 posted on 06/05/2006 6:48:20 PM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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