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Mother fights hospital to keep baby on life support (Terri's Legacy)
KTEN.com ^ | June 1, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2006 7:20:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

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To: robertpaulsen
Terri received Medicaid benefits because Michael Schiavo fraudulently purchased properties with Terri's funds which then put Terri in an indigent category. This was money laundering and since Judge Greer was so bought and paid for, he never had Mikey do a real accounting of Terri's funds. The rest of her rehab money went to death lawyers Felos, Bushnell, Baskin and the ACLU was at Mikey's death counsel's table too.

This was Medicaid fraud at its finest if you consider she was in a terminal six month or less facility for FIVE YEARS not getting any therapy at all because Mikey ordered no therapy back in 1993. Hospices cannot do therapy and they are not licensed for chronic care. Terri was in a bad place for five years without the right treatment.

MEDICAID FRAUD so taxpayers did pay. Mikey and his lawyers made Terri a pauper so they could stick her in a hospice. Finally, when Mikey filed joint tax returns, he didn't share part of the tax refund with Terri. He took it all. Mikey didn't even get Terri's wheelchair fixed because if it was fixed, she could have gone outside, gone anywhere, even into judge greer's courtroom so that the crooked judge and everyone else would have noticed that Terri was alert and aware of her surroundings.

Terri was caged and nobody could see her because the secret would have been out that she was not pvs.

FIVE YEARS IMPRISONED by the hospice, courts, medicaid, DCF, and ACHA systems. Terri would be alive today if they hadn't taken away her Ensure and water.

151 posted on 06/03/2006 9:16:16 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: Alberta's Child
Terri breathed on her own. She recognized her family members and her spiritual advisors. She distinguished when new people came in her jail cell. Terri liked the music that was popular before the suspicious collapse. She liked Journey and Wham. She laughed and she cried. Terri had PMS too. She screamed when she found out the tube was coming out. If I knew somebody was trying to kill me, I'd scream too.

But, the cops at Hospice Woodside were only there to make sure that Terri would die. They weren't there to protect and to serve. They were there to back up murderous Judge George Greer, a republican who I'm hoping will get impeached and thrown in jail before long. It could happen when the Bushes term out. It could easily happen.

152 posted on 06/03/2006 9:20:24 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: bjs1779
Your screen name is hard for me to recall but "hi". Guess you know that Dr. Death Ron Cranford is dead and so is one of the JQC's counsel, MacDonald. MacDonald was nicknamed Mr. Ethics.

So, we lost Dr. Death and Mr. Ethics (bioethics).

153 posted on 06/03/2006 9:23:28 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: Scotswife

The medical providers don't seem to be noting "vital signs". That's the best indicator if someone is near death or not.


154 posted on 06/03/2006 9:24:39 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: BykrBayb
CNN SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY NIGHT: Special BODY PARTS

It's supposed to be about the downside of organ donation. It's even bad for the recipient in many instances. (I wonder if they will discuss the organ harvesting in China of Christians and dissenters.)

155 posted on 06/03/2006 9:27:44 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: robertpaulsen

"The body is still alive, yes, and deserves respect. But, clinically, the person is dead."

Trouble is, "clinically" could be wrong.

This was in "Our Sunday Visitor," the April 10, 2005 edition, & the author is Lori Hadacek Chaplin.

It was suggested to a doctor that they pull the plug of a little baby's ventilator, because he had flat brain waves. The doctor did not, and little Joseph not only lived, but went on to receive straight A's in school, run track and play baseball.

The doctor, Dr. Byrne, is now a clinical professor of pediatrics at the Medical College of Ohio and HAS BEEN A PERSISTENT VOICE against using brain-wave criteria for DETERMINING DEATH.



157 posted on 06/03/2006 10:21:59 AM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Sun

So how should that determination be made?


158 posted on 06/03/2006 11:29:58 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Alberta's Child
>> And if she had died when they turned off her ventilator years ago, what would have been listed as her cause of death?

Homicide.

159 posted on 06/03/2006 6:00:44 PM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: Scotswife
>> Brain death is much easier to diagnose than pvs. It is non subjective

I might have thought so once. Now I don't, for two reasons.

One, "brain death" was an invention (1960s) for the specific purpose of harvesting body organs for transplantion. In other words, there is an ulterior motive for the diagnosis of "brain death." The ulterior motive is not for the good of the patient but for the purposes of the hospital. It is not to be trusted.

Before that, everyone knew what death was -- when ALL body function ceased. But when the body dies, the organs spoil. So, a committee at Harvard invented "brain death" in order to assert that a comatose patient was "dead" and carve him up for his organs while they are still fresh.

Two, organs for transplantation are worth a great deal of money. By carving up a live "brain dead" patient for his organs, a medical facility can (a) eliminate the cost of care for that person and (b) make a big profit on his organs. Obviously, money now becomes a factor in what should be purely medical decisions. In insurance, this is called a Moral Hazard. The prospect of profit leads hospitals (and especially their so-called "ethics" committees) to cut corners, gloss over moral questions and otherwise make decisions that may actually kill a viable patient.

The original Harvard conditions for diagnosis "brain death" were fairly rigorous, but with that strong money incentive to get transplant organs, standards have loosened. The "ethics" committees rationalize a kind of medical cannibalism, arguing that even if they do kill some innocent patients, those patients' organs help to save other lives. For one example in my own extended family, a person was chopped up for organs despite being able to breathe on his own (= not brain dead) and also despite written refusal to donate his organs. They paid no attention to his wishes.

You are right that the diagnosis of "PVS" is highly subjective. No two medics call it the same way. It is so sloppy and vague that the "PVS" diagnosis mostly seems to be an excuse to euthanize unwanted patients. It ought to be tossed out.

160 posted on 06/03/2006 7:22:31 PM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: bjs1779
"Good job, good job, young lady!" -- Dr. Ron Cranford complimenting Terri. Cranford then turned around and told Greer's court that she flunked the test and had to die. I'll say this for Cranford -- once Felos bought him, he stayed bought.

May you find forgiveness, Dr. Cranford. Requiescant in Pace.

161 posted on 06/03/2006 7:47:37 PM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: robertpaulsen; T'wit

"So how should that determination be made?"

That's a good question.

When the heart stops beating, you know for sure, and other vital signs. I'm not an expert, but I do know that I would get many opinions and do much research if doctors were too quick to say that my loved one was "brain dead."

In my research one person that I would e-mail is wesleyjsmith.com, and as pro-life as he is, even he would not be my ONLY deciding factor for a loved one.

Also, please read T'wit's really informative post #160.


162 posted on 06/03/2006 9:30:32 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: floriduh voter

"(I wonder if they will discuss the organ harvesting in China of Christians and dissenters.)"

I kind of doubt if CNN will say anything negative about their favorite country.

Aside that, I hope CNN's show about organs is/was informative, though.


163 posted on 06/03/2006 9:34:18 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Sun
Keep in mind that medicine is not and never can be an exact science, and that no two cases are alike. Therefore, there are no overriding rules. You decide case by case with the best medical advice available.
164 posted on 06/03/2006 10:54:30 PM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: All; T'wit

I have been unable to find any followup stories on baby Daniel. Some updates must have occurred by now.


165 posted on 06/04/2006 4:33:39 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Sun
"That's a good question."

So you don't know. And since you don't know, well, then I suppose we have have to keep people alive forever on machines.

Yep, despite the patient's wishes, despite the emotional and financial cost to the survivors, Sun says that we should keep the loved one alive as long as science allows, since we can never "really be sure".

Good answer. Thanks a lot for your contribuition to the thread -- which obviously consists of nothing more than telling people how they're wrong without saying what's right.

166 posted on 06/04/2006 5:41:15 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 8mmMauser
Thanks for looking. I'd like to hear more about Haleigh Poutre, but will take no news to be good news.

Have you noticed the similarities between Haleigh's case and Baby Daniel's? Both children are -- God help them! -- in the custody of state child protection agencies, and in both cases the bureaucrats have been perfectly willing to bump them off early, regardless of relatives' wishes. Do you suppose state agencies are in bed with the human chop shops that trade in organs?

I believe both children were described in identical words, "nearly brain dead." Now, that is not medical terminology. It's too vague to describe any recognized medical condition. The bureaucrats invoke "brain death" in order to justify killing the children (and to cover their sorry butts). But the children are not brain dead.

Haleigh fooled her executioners and got better. So far as we've heard, she's getting good care now. Baby Daniel could get better too if he gets the chance. Sun (above) reported a case where a child made a surprising recovery. But are these cases such a surprise? Children, especially infants, have a far greater capacity to transcend brain injuries than adults. They should always get the benefit of the doubt. They should get extra care and recovery time.

167 posted on 06/04/2006 6:20:29 AM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> Thanks a lot for your contribuition to the thread -- which obviously consists of nothing more than telling people how they're wrong without saying what's right.

Show us one case of Sun "telling people how they're wrong"?

I looked at all of Sun's posts and couldn't find anything the least bit inappropriate. On the contrary, they are models of courteous, grown-up communication. The true story related in #157 is to the point, informative and inspirational -- a fine contribution to this thread.

168 posted on 06/04/2006 6:52:54 AM PDT by T'wit (It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: T'wit
"Show us one case of Sun "telling people how they're wrong"?"

I stated that a person with no brain activity is dead. Sun said I was wrong in the very same post to which you referred.

Did she not? I don't care that she cited some bogus story. And the issue isn't whether the story is bogus.

Did she imply by referencing that story that I was wrong or didn't she?

And what about the fact that Sun offers no statement as to when a person IS dead?

169 posted on 06/04/2006 7:39:05 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
>> Sun said I was wrong in the very same post to which you referred.

No. You said "telling people." Sun didn't "tell" you that you were wrong (or anything else) but merely stated -- accurately -- that "clinically" the statement "could" be wrong. That is the correct, impersonal way to put things.

You had no complaint.

170 posted on 06/04/2006 8:46:47 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: T'wit
"Sun didn't "tell" you that you were wrong (or anything else) but merely stated -- accurately -- that "clinically" the statement "could" be wrong."

What a weaselly explanation! What a bunch of unadulterated bull$hit.

So there is a way of assessing death where the person cannot be wrong? I didn't see it mentioned, though I asked for it.

It's easy to sit at the keyboard and say "this poster is wrong" and "that poster is wrong" and "you're wrong" and "he's wrong". It's another to say this is the right way.

Wouldn't you agree?

171 posted on 06/04/2006 10:06:12 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You sure get testy when people disagree with you. You are rude, and worse, you downright lie.

I have been polite to you, and honest. That's probably because I'm secure in my beliefs, while you are not.

I said in my post that I would research if my loved one were in that predicament, and get other opinions. Is that bad advice? Do you have blind belief in everything a doctor says? Hope not.

Did you read T'wit's post #160? Are you afraid to read it?

Here's my post again, and compare it with your response to me, and you will see that robertpaulsen has a knee-jerk reaction to a post without reading it very well.

"That's a good question.

When the heart stops beating, you know for sure, and other vital signs. I'm not an expert, but I do know that I would get many opinions and do much research if doctors were too quick to say that my loved one was "brain dead."

In my research one person that I would e-mail is wesleyjsmith.com, and as pro-life as he is, even he would not be my ONLY deciding factor for a loved one.

Also, please read T'wit's really informative post #160."


172 posted on 06/04/2006 11:25:25 AM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: T'wit

"No. You said "telling people." Sun didn't "tell" you that you were wrong (or anything else) but merely stated -- accurately -- that "clinically" the statement "could" be wrong. That is the correct, impersonal way to put things.

You had no complaint."

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better.


173 posted on 06/04/2006 11:27:16 AM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Sun
"I'm not an expert, but I do know that I would get many opinions and do much research"

Fine. So that's your answer.

In Terri Schiavo's case, that's exactly what they did. And they determined she was PVS and clinically dead. Therefore, based on your own criteria, you agree with their assessment.

Correct?

174 posted on 06/04/2006 12:50:32 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You are digressing, which shows you have been bested.


175 posted on 06/04/2006 4:21:26 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: T'wit
"Good job, good job, young lady!" -- Dr. Ron Cranford complimenting Terri. Cranford then turned around and told Greer's court that she flunked the test and had to die. I'll say this for Cranford -- once Felos bought him, he stayed bought. May you find forgiveness, Dr. Cranford. Requiescant in Pace.

He even told the Shindlers how well she did, just like he told Terri how well she did. I know that gets you down to bed rock, like me.

176 posted on 06/04/2006 7:13:37 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: robertpaulsen
And they determined she was PVS and clinically dead.

Aren't you forgeting that the autopsy said niether?

177 posted on 06/04/2006 7:18:03 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
>> And they determined she was PVS and clinically dead.

> Aren't you forgeting that the autopsy said niether?

The M.E. said that Terri was essentially healthy and could have been expected to live at least ten more years. That in itself is strong evidence that Terri was in at least a "minimally conscious" state. PVS patients seldom live long.

178 posted on 06/04/2006 8:14:19 PM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: bjs1779
>> He even told the Shindlers how well she did

All that matters is what Cranford told Greer, which was the opposite. He was, if you strip away the niceties, hired to kill Terri and for no other reason. They imported him all the way from Minnesota to say those magic words that make it legal to kill her -- Terri is "PVS." He said the words. He made a career of saying the words. He never failed to say them. That made the vote 3-to-2 in favor of putting Terri to death.

Ain't "science" wonderful?

179 posted on 06/04/2006 8:42:23 PM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> What a weaselly explanation! What a bunch of unadulterated bull$hit.

Cut the potty talk.

180 posted on 06/04/2006 9:00:28 PM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: Sun
"You are digressing, which shows you have been bested."

Digressing? I simply took your criteria and applied it to Terri's case.

If that makes you uncomfortable to the point where you feel a need to (mis)characterize my actions, so be it.

181 posted on 06/05/2006 6:07:06 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: bjs1779
"Aren't you forgeting that the autopsy said niether?"

How could it? The autopsy report clearly stated, "The Persistent Vegetative State and the minimally conscious state are clinical diagnoses, not pathological ones".

The pathologist is not in a position to make that call.

182 posted on 06/05/2006 6:25:35 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: T'wit
"The M.E. said that Terri was essentially healthy and could have been expected to live at least ten more years."

Assuming she had wanted to, of course. Which she didn't.

"That in itself is strong evidence that Terri was in at least a "minimally conscious" state."

No it's not. The pathologist is in no position to determine minimally conscious state. He stated that in his autopsy report.

183 posted on 06/05/2006 6:29:51 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Sun
Your answer was the best we have: "I don't know." The instant brain scientists who think they DO know are a few bulbs short of a chandelier.

Baby Daniel was pronounced "almost" brain dead, not by doctors (who would not use such a term among themselves) but by state bureaucrats. That often means they want to cut him up for his organs. Very profitable business.

"Almost" brain dead doesn't mean anything, medically. "Brain dead" doesn't really mean "dead," either. It means a comatose, unreflexive condition thought -- thought -- to be irreversible.

The tests for it are quite horrible. The patient is banged around brutally (people who have watched it tell me they cringed). The docs try to cause pain, put ice water in the ears, shine bright lights in the eyes and suchlike. (See this site for a detailed discussion, especially the warnings and pitfalls: Testing for death by brain criteria. ) The tests are to insure (as best we can) that the patient is utterly unresponsive in brain function. (For my two cents, the stricter the standards, the better.)

Note that one of the criteria is lack of brain-stem function, meaning that the patient cannot breathe unaided. A patient who can breathe is not "brain dead." Karen Ann Quinlan was not "brain dead." Neither is Sunny von Bulow, possibly the victim of attempted murder by insulin poisoning in a famous case in 1980, who is comatose but is still alive and lovingly tended all these years later.

In the end we don't really know. It is impossible to test a brain from the outside and find "mind" on the inside. Mind is and always has been a mystery. It is certainly possible that "brain dead" patients are aware of their surroundings. Occasionally one of them wakes up and says so. Perhaps such a person was a misdiagnosed case in the first place and the others are truly "mind dead." Perhaps not. We don't know.

184 posted on 06/05/2006 6:33:05 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> No it's not. The pathologist is in no position to determine minimally conscious state. He stated that in his autopsy report.

Of course it is. You entirely missed the point. Terri's longevity was the medical evidence that her mental activity was higher than PVS. She had substantially outlived expectancy for PVS. (And was given at least ten more years by the M.E. on top of that.)

185 posted on 06/05/2006 6:45:23 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> Assuming she had wanted to, of course. Which she didn't.

Your thinking here is a fountain of confusion.

You said she was dead. Now you say she wanted to die. But you see, according to you, she already did die. She could not have wanted to die because she was already dead, you said. She could not have been dead because she didn't want to go on living, you said.

Fun! :-)

186 posted on 06/05/2006 7:12:59 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: T'wit
"Terri's longevity was the medical evidence that her mental activity was higher than PVS."

Her physical condition was an indicator of her mental ability. Uh-huh.

It seems to me that her physical condition was a tribute to how well Michael took care of her.

187 posted on 06/05/2006 8:03:12 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
>> Her physical condition was an indicator of her mental ability.

That's what medical statistics say, yes. That Terri survived so long, and would have lived a good deal longer if she hadn't been put to death, is certainly strong evidence that she was misdiagnosed as PVS.

188 posted on 06/05/2006 8:12:33 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: T'wit
"That's what medical statistics say, yes"

No, it's the way you're interpreting those medical statistics.

If the statistics say that an average PVS patient lives 10 years, and Terri lived for 15, you're saying Terri does not have PVS. I'm speechless when faced with this kind of "logic".

189 posted on 06/05/2006 8:35:38 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
>> It seems to me that her physical condition was a tribute to how well Michael took care of her.

Such as trying to kill her by denying her antibiotics for her urinary tract infection? You remember, he testified that he had indeed tried to kill her (caring man that he is).

Women do love their excruciating urinary tract infections! Right, ladies? And they find it SO romantic when their husband makes them die in agony! Right, ladies?

190 posted on 06/05/2006 8:44:00 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: robertpaulsen
>> you're saying Terri does not have PVS.

Nope. What I said is above for anyone to read. Your interpretations are unnecessary and incorrect.

>> I'm speechless

Is that a promise?

191 posted on 06/05/2006 8:50:29 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: T'wit
"You remember, he testified that he had indeed tried to kill her (caring man that he is)."

After this testimony, did the judge then remove Michael as her guardian? The fact that he didn't should put this "murderous act" in perspective.

192 posted on 06/05/2006 9:46:38 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
>> After this testimony, did the judge then remove Michael as her guardian? The fact that he didn't should put this "murderous act" in perspective.

It does not make Michael's admitted attempt to kill his wife any less illegal.

It does put the judge into perspective, doesn't it? Judges are perforce officers of the court, sworn to uphold the law. Here it is uncontested that Michael flouted the law, and that he admitted it under oath. The judge did nothing. Thank you for that fascinating detail.

Future historians will have a field day tracking the court bias in the Terri Schiavo case.

193 posted on 06/05/2006 11:11:49 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: sinkspur

"thus proving that the original "futile care" decision was the correct one."

Denying medical care to a sick person isn't justified simply because they died while still receiving care. We all go naturally at some point. There's a distinct difference between Ms. Clark's natural death and the hospitals desires to kill her.

Murder by ommision is never a "correct" decision.


194 posted on 06/05/2006 12:28:53 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: Protagoras
Some make the case the child is already dead. If so, why would you have to kill him?
195 posted on 06/05/2006 12:29:40 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
If so, why would you have to kill him?

I'm not interested in killing anyone.

196 posted on 06/05/2006 12:31:51 PM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Xenalyte

Something stinks about hospitals only claiming futility on cases that lack any factors to solicit public sympathy.

Note: Sun Hudson's mother was quite crazy, claiming that Sun was conceived by the Sun itself.

Spiro Nikolouzos,Yenlang Vo, and Tirhas Habtegiris=all immigrants.

Like lions- they never hunt for the fastest, healthiest prey, but go after the weakest and easiest victim. They never go for the upper-middle class white soccer moms, but those who are poor, disenfranchised or otherwise lack support. The futility vultures choose their victims carefully, playing on the prejudices, moral bankruptcy and apathy of our culture of death.


197 posted on 06/05/2006 12:31:51 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: sinkspur

A brain damaged child is still a child. You don't throw away human beings like bruised tomatoes because of a disability.


198 posted on 06/05/2006 12:33:54 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: Xenalyte
Oh, no way Miss Belcher is paying for this. She's an unmarried drug user who neglects her children and has had at least one removed from her custody. Odds that she makes enough money to pay for her child's health care are pretty slim. Well that's certainly justification for killing her child!
199 posted on 06/05/2006 12:37:58 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: FreepinforTerri
There's a distinct difference between Ms. Clark's natural death and the hospitals desires to kill her.

Your hyperbole is not applicable to the discussion. Hospitals are free to determine who they will treat and who they will ask to seek care at another facility. An ethics committee at Houston Hermann Hospital made a decision that Ms. Clark was terminal, and that another facility would have to be sought for long-term care for her.

The decision was delayed, and during that delay, Ms. Clark died. It appears that, in fact, she was terminal.

Hospitals always give families the option to find a facility that will provide the care they need for their loved one.

200 posted on 06/05/2006 1:18:56 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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