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2006 SOCCER WORLD CUP - Day 9 Thread - USA v Italy, Czech v Ghana
MLSnet.com ^ | 6-17-06 | MLSnet.com

Posted on 06/17/2006 8:05:31 AM PDT by soccer_maniac

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To: stuartcr

Spain looked really impressive. They manhandled Ukraine and scored what I think is the goal of the tournament with Puyol doing some incredible work to get the ball to Torres (?) for the finish.

France looks like they aren't going to be able to score again this world cup. Cheer for South Korea tomorrow. :)


851 posted on 06/17/2006 8:31:32 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: stuartcr

Yeah I saw them. France played like a nation of people who don't like each other. Spain got off to a quick start and benefited from a ref who destroyed half the game just like the ref today.

If you haven't noticed, we're in Team USA party mode.

The Koreans will take care of the French tomorrow.


852 posted on 06/17/2006 8:31:35 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: romanesq

There's one important thing to be gleaned from that play though, and this is something that I had my coach drill into me when I was playing way back when: Good things happen when you shoot. I think in the CZE game Beasley would have layed a square ball off to his right and another scoring chance would have gone a begging. I'm sure Arena hammered that point home to the lads before this match.


853 posted on 06/17/2006 8:36:42 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: soccer_maniac

Just curious, where'd you get that screen shot? What network is it from?


854 posted on 06/17/2006 8:39:05 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: notfornothing

Just saw Tony Meola on the post game MLS Red Bulls game. He said that Arena is absolutely great before a game and at halftime.

I have no idea what he said but now we're all wondering what would have happened if McBride wasn't in an interference offside area on the shot.

Damn.


855 posted on 06/17/2006 8:39:16 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: notfornothing

856 posted on 06/17/2006 8:40:38 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: romanesq

Tony "Near Post" Meola huh? I hear he's making a comeback. What a shame he picked the end of his career to get a work ethic. Such a likeable guy too. Wasn't there some talk that he might actually make the 23 man roster for this world cup or am I imagining things?


857 posted on 06/17/2006 8:41:36 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: romanesq

Here is the list of players suspended for the final group matches, either for receiving yellow cards in both of the first two matches or for receiving a straight red in the second match.

USA: Pope, Mastroeni
Ghana: Muntari, Gyan
Italy: De Rossi
Czech Republic: Ujfalusi, Lokvenc


859 posted on 06/17/2006 8:48:30 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: notfornothing

I found it on a soccer forum. Not sure what network it is. Probably some European TV channel.


860 posted on 06/17/2006 8:49:24 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: max13008; All

Be sure to take a few seconds to rate this game on ESPN.com

http://proxy.espn.go.com/soccernet/match/rate?id=191942&cc=%


861 posted on 06/17/2006 8:51:04 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: romanesq

FIFA posted the match highlight videos:

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/match/template.html?id=25#


862 posted on 06/17/2006 8:52:11 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: soccer_maniac; romanesq

Ah. Cool.

Well that does it for me guys. See you all back here in about nine for Croatia - Japan. And of course after that O Selecao Brasileiro will be in action.

Later..........


863 posted on 06/17/2006 8:54:57 PM PDT by notfornothing
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To: notfornothing

The odd thing about Meola is that he was never truly a good goalkeeper. A great athlete for sure, but his remarkable athleticism allowed him to perform well even though he was not really a technically sound player.


864 posted on 06/17/2006 9:05:04 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: romanesq
One can disagree on a close call but IMHO no ref should give a direct red card on a play where the player gets to the ball on the play. If there was no contact with the ball, no complaints. But if you get the ball and tackle from the side, no red card is defensible.

I agree. If the player wins the ball first and hits the player second, its a fair tackle, unless some other rule like tackle height is broken. That's not how I saw the first US player's straight red though. He caught the Italian player above the ankle in a two-footed, studs-showing tackle. You're not allowed to dive in with two feet and with studs up. I also don't remember him making contact with the ball, but maybe I missed that.

865 posted on 06/17/2006 9:27:16 PM PDT by Youngblood
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To: romanesq
If there was no contact with the ball, no complaints. But if you get the ball and tackle from the side, no red card is defensible.

you are correct sir

866 posted on 06/17/2006 9:29:55 PM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: AGreatPer

cool story, congrats to your son/team


867 posted on 06/17/2006 9:30:32 PM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: romanesq
I wigged out when Beasley hit that shot. We had a house full of kids and they were scared to death... I had an outburst every 20 seconds for the last 1/3 of the game.. it was great fun. Beasley scored, I jumped up, screamed with joy.. then malice b/c I knew Beasley wasn't offsides.. then the replay.

what a rollercoaster that 15 secs was..

868 posted on 06/17/2006 9:34:54 PM PDT by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx

I was doing the same thing - only I'm alone in a hotel. I wondering what the other guests down the hall we're thinking about what was going on in my room ...


869 posted on 06/17/2006 9:41:47 PM PDT by 11th_VA (UNITED 93 - Everything you need to know about Islam)
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To: notfornothing

I'm going to bed as well.

WAY TO GO, USA!!!

We truly left it all out on the field today!!

GREAT passion, determination, fight & heart!!


870 posted on 06/17/2006 9:47:00 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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Here's what I've calculated. Someone correct me if this is mistaken. The following scenarios assure the US advance:

(1) US win AND Italy win.
(2) US win by 4 or more AND the Czechs win 1-0, 2-1, 3-1, or 4-2.
(3) US win by 3 or more AND the Czechs win 2-0, 3-0, or 4-1.
(4) US win by 2 or more AND the Czechs win 4-0, or 5-1.
(5) US win by 1 or more AND the Czechs win 5-0.

In the following scenarios the US would have to draw lots to advance:

(1) US wins 2-1 AND the Czechs win 4-0.
(2) US wins 2-0 AND the Czechs win 3-0.
(3) US wins 3-0 AND the Czechs win 3-1.
(4) US wins 4-0 AND the Czechs win 3-2.

If either of the following two occur, the US is definitely out:

(1) The US loses.
(2) ITA-CZE draw.

-A8

871 posted on 06/17/2006 9:47:19 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: 11th_VA

Jorge Larrionda, the Uruguayan referee who handed out three red cards in Saturday's game between the United States and Italy, was suspended for six months in 2002 by his country's soccer authorities.

Larrionda was one of five referees to be suspended for "irregularities," a decision that prevented them from officiating in local or international matches.

The suspensions reportedly were connected with accusations of corruption between members of rival unions that represent Uruguay's match officials.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=371526&cc=5901


872 posted on 06/17/2006 9:47:21 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: adiaireton8

For the Americans to advance, they must defeat Ghana. In addition to beating Ghana, the U.S. team needs one of these scenarios to take place:

1. Italy defeats the Czech Republic.

2. Italy ties the Czech Republic 0-0 or 1-1 AND the United States beats Ghana by at least four goals.

3. Italy ties the Czech Republic 2-2 or with a higher score AND the United States beats Ghana by five or more goals.

4. Italy ties the Czech Republic 2-2 or with a higher score AND the United States beats Ghana by four goals AND the U.S. team scores at least three goals more than the Czechs do in their tie.

5. The Czech Republic beats Italy AND the total combined margin of victory for the Americans and Czechs is six or more.

6. The Czech Republic beats Italy AND the total combined margin of victory for the Americans and Czechs is five AND the U.S. team scores at least three goals more than the Italians do in their loss.

7. The Czech Republic beats Italy AND the total combined margin of victory for the Americans and Czechs is five AND the U.S. team scores exactly two more goals than the Italians do in their loss AND the Americans win a drawing of lots by FIFA.


873 posted on 06/17/2006 9:49:15 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: soccer_maniac
Wow - he's got a track record - Alexi was all over him today.
874 posted on 06/17/2006 9:52:03 PM PDT by 11th_VA (UNITED 93 - Everything you need to know about Islam)
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To: 11th_VA

Yanks gain vital point vs. Italy
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/2006-06-17-usa-italy-notes2_x.htm

True Grit: U.S. Withstands Ejections and Italy to Stay Alive
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/sports/soccer/18soccer.html&OQ=_rQ3D1&OP=6bed000eQ2F)Q7DwE)6Q60Q51-,Q60Q60sZ)ZNNv)Nv)Q22U)-Q3CQ60,s-)-Q60Q51Q51w,)Q22U-Q60Q51Q51w,Q2BQ3Asjb


875 posted on 06/17/2006 10:00:20 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: soccer_maniac
I need to find a way to take off work Thursday - I thought it would be all over by now.

The team really controlled the midfield today - I was not embarassed after this one ...

876 posted on 06/17/2006 10:04:33 PM PDT by 11th_VA (UNITED 93 - Everything you need to know about Islam)
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To: soccer_maniac
Thanks. I messed up the draw scenarios. My revision is below:

The following scenarios assure the US advance:

(1) US win AND Italy win.
(2) US win by 5 or more AND the Czechs draw 2-2, or 3-3.
(3) US win by 4 or more AND the Czechs draw 1-1 or win 1-0, 2-1, 3-1, or 4-2.
(4) US win by 3 or more AND the Czechs win 2-0, 3-0, or 4-1.
(5) US win by 2 or more AND the Czechs win 4-0, or 5-1.
(6) US win by 1 or more AND the Czechs win 5-0.

In the following scenarios the US would have to draw lots to advance:

(1) US wins 2-1 AND the Czechs win 4-0.
(2) US wins 2-0 AND the Czechs win 3-0.
(3) US wins 3-0 AND the Czechs win 3-1.
(4) US wins 4-0 AND the Czechs win 3-2.

-A8

877 posted on 06/17/2006 10:13:40 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

By the same token, in game theory, Italy and the Czechs are both motivated to win in order to ensure first place, thus avoiding meeting Brazil in the second round. I don't think either will settle for a tie.


878 posted on 06/17/2006 10:51:38 PM PDT by randomlurker
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To: adiaireton8

I think it's fair to say, we only have to consider (1) from your analysis above.


879 posted on 06/17/2006 10:54:29 PM PDT by 11th_VA (UNITED 93 - Everything you need to know about Islam)
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To: AmishDude

Rubbish. I enjoy watching two soccer teams that I have no rooting interest in. Two skilled teams going at it is a joy to watch; no other sport can equal soccer when played at its best. The fact is if you notice the flags, plenty of rabid soccer fans go to World Cup games where their national team is not playing, simply to be able to see a game. You'd realize this is you understood the game: you don't have to have a rooting interest to enjoy watching soccer. A quality match is a quality match. Of course if you have no idea what you are watching, it might as well be a game of cards. Pearls before swine, and all that.


880 posted on 06/17/2006 11:35:55 PM PDT by randomlurker
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To: notfornothing; Alberta's Child
Tony "Near Post" Meola huh? I hear he's making a comeback. What a shame he picked the end of his career to get a work ethic. Such a likeable guy too.

Likeable? No, he's is and has been a tool since I first met him at age 16. I'll agree with the point about his athleticism, but there have usually been at least a dozen more capable GK's available to replace him at any time since he first got a spot on the MNT.

IMHO, he's just one more piece of evidence that politics have almost always trumped performance for the national team selection.

881 posted on 06/18/2006 5:27:32 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: AngryJawa

Hey what are you complaining about? Tony is from Kearny, NJ the soccer capital of the US. That's not a bastion of political power either.

He had a good run made the team. He's not even on the team now. And I think he's more of an icon from when he had a good run.

He got the W yesterday in a 2-1 Red Bulls win.

Why are you so harsh on the guy?


882 posted on 06/18/2006 5:55:26 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: 11th_VA

Yes you're right, I don't think either game is going to be won by more than two points. We need to beat Ghana and then hope the Italians really want to win the group.


883 posted on 06/18/2006 6:14:45 AM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Democrat's Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 70 million new third-world aliens.)
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To: RodgerD

Italy will want to avoid Brazil and gain form. We should see an effort to win.


884 posted on 06/18/2006 6:21:47 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: romanesq

I have seen every azzurri match since 1994, and I have to say that the high hopes I had for them in this WC have now been destroyed. The US game was a return to the bad old days of Trapattoni: no movement through the midfield, back passes to the defenders, then long balls to the forwards who are then caught offsides. Bruttissimo.

I was hoping for bell' Calcio from them. For that I will watch Argentina.


885 posted on 06/18/2006 6:49:21 AM PDT by Gaetano
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To: Lukasz

"So will Ghanaians."

True.
For that matter so will the USA.
All in all its going to be a super competitive Thursday and an exciting day of football.
Can't wait.


886 posted on 06/18/2006 9:14:26 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: adiaireton8
"If both games are played at exactly the same time, as is now scheduled, then as soon as the US gets ahead, the Czechs and Italians just settle in for the tie, until Ghana ties it back up"


You have a point there.
The flip side of course is that in lots of soccer matches, the scores can change round very suddenly, and sometimes in the last few minutes.
Look at the Australia versus Japan match for example, or the Germany versus Poland.
It will be very foolish for either the Italians or the Czechs to be playing for a draw while the US/Ghana match is still in progress.
Plus of course neither of them want top meet Brazil in the next round by coming second either, so they should be playing to win.
887 posted on 06/18/2006 9:20:30 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
All in all its going to be a super competitive Thursday and an exciting day of football.

One of my friends/co-workers is for Ghana. He's from Sierra Leone but was raised in Britain so is more British than Sierra Leonean. However, he HATES the England team.

We just made plans to watch the game together Thursday evening in the bar. We think it'll be fun to be on opposite sides - all in friendly fun.

Don't tell him I said this, but the USA's going to kick Ghana's a$$. ;-)

888 posted on 06/18/2006 9:24:24 AM PDT by Allegra (Mookie Sadr's Next!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
How come you are for Mexico getting kicked out?

Does a Yankee fan ever root for the Red Sox, or vice-versa?

889 posted on 06/18/2006 11:50:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: soccer_maniac

That was an unbelievable game! Great spirit and fire!

If only we had a bit more skill... But it will come

I think Italy can defeat Czechs (they definitely have a motivation not to see Brazilians too soon) and US can defeat Ghana. All 4 teams fighting for a win: that I call a group of death!


890 posted on 06/19/2006 12:27:39 PM PDT by Tolik
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