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B-52 Flyby of USS Ranger
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Posted on 07/06/2006 7:59:03 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck

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To: SampleMan
What did you fly? KC-135 or KC-10?

I am (or was) a maintenance guy on B-52, KC-135, KC-10, & F-16s.

51 posted on 07/07/2006 8:29:41 AM PDT by TankerKC (┐JosÚ puede usted ver?)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

No downwash wake behind the BUFF?!


52 posted on 07/07/2006 8:49:54 AM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: TankerKC
Looks like a screen shot from Dr. Strangelove.
53 posted on 07/07/2006 9:39:53 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
I believe you. An F-14 pilot from our ship did a maneuver that caused quite a stir. It was real, looked fake, but camera angle means everything :>} This one looked like he was gonna clip the FD but he was close to a quarter mile off.

Getting a size to size comparison of objects to a CV can be difficult. You can put a 50 foot Utility Boat at the base of the ship and it will barely show up in a picture taken from some distance.

54 posted on 07/07/2006 9:47:47 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Wait until I have the Ranger flying over the B-52 upside down.


55 posted on 07/07/2006 10:15:25 AM PDT by usmcobra (How many ICBM tests does it take before Kim Jung Il is consider a threat? let's find out 1,2,3...)
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To: Quix
You might be thinking of this tanker crash in June 87. My sister lived in Spokane then and initially thought it was a nuke....heavy duty ka-boom.
56 posted on 07/07/2006 11:28:41 AM PDT by skeptoid
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To: Squantos
Son of a bi$##
57 posted on 07/07/2006 12:23:40 PM PDT by spectr17 (What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?)
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To: skeptoid

Probably so. Thanks.


58 posted on 07/07/2006 12:45:42 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Fury
Yep, LTC Bud Holland. He was unsafe and killed several people in that stunt. Several in the chain of command got hammered over that incident.

As I recall, he snagged a power line and cartwheeled in. Sad to see so many good men die that fast over a foolish stunt.

59 posted on 07/07/2006 12:57:51 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Fury

IIRC he took the squadron commander and director of ops with him, because they were the only ones who felt confident enough of being able to override him. Obviously they weren't.


60 posted on 07/07/2006 1:08:29 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: JRios1968; Ditto
I ordered the report they did on the accident (the part releasable via the FOIA). I read that and wondered how the hell the guy was even flying. He was an accident waiting to happen.

Someone also got canned for allowing them to do aerobatics below flight minimums or something like that. I'd have to pull out the report.

For a good synopsis on what happened, you can review this:

http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=3405833376942&lang=en-US

The site is not available, but the cache version is still accessible...
61 posted on 07/07/2006 1:43:18 PM PDT by Fury
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To: spectr17

The Ranger, a BUFF, and the Loch Ness monster.

All we need now is Beerman from New Orleans during Katrina.


62 posted on 07/07/2006 4:21:43 PM PDT by exit82 (If Democrats can lead, then I'm Chuck Norris.)
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To: JRios1968

I think you must've been at our spring air show.


63 posted on 07/07/2006 7:23:32 PM PDT by condi2008
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To: exit82

With the cards we have here @ FR, it won't take long for LooterGuy to show up in the pic. Question is, where will he be?


64 posted on 07/07/2006 8:18:52 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck; Quix; TankerKC
....that even the harshest of the FReepSkeptics' would stand down.

Have a look at this. It's a 7 frame gif I made just for the occasion:

It doesn't necessarily "prove" anything but the similarities are, well, striking. That is to say, the angles and lighting(such as it is) are virtually identical with one of a landing buff I pulled off the web. Resized and flipped horizontally yields the exact(except for some apparent trimming in a photo editing program off the bottom of the "original" buff. The physical size difference of the original pic and this one could account for some random fuzziness/lighting/detail.

Also note, that overlaying the pic off the web shows the buff in a "landing" attitude(just before flaring one would suspect), just off the deck, er, runway. I left the landing gear(barely visible) on the overlay.

FWIW, comparing the second, smaller pic posted on the thread yields identical results; exact angle and lighting. What are the odds? I say they're fakes ;^)

Also, I spent quite a while(God only knows why!) looking for a pic of USS Ranger that may have been used for the original. The only candidate I found didn't exist any more and all I had to look at was a thumbnail, that when zoomed in lost most of its detail.

Another aside; I probably looked at several hundred pics of buffs in flight and found several that would suggest the fuselage is virtually parallel to the horizon when in straight and level flight. Like when on a bombing run, etc...

FGS

65 posted on 07/07/2006 8:45:04 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

THANKS MUCH.

What an awesome amount of very clever work! Impressive.

Have a blessed weekend.


66 posted on 07/07/2006 9:05:26 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

;^)


67 posted on 07/07/2006 9:24:37 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: condi2008; Dashing Dasher

A very good friend of mine provided me the pic...


68 posted on 07/07/2006 9:31:31 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: NCC-1701

Yes, Looterguy, not Beerman.

Maybe we can get your handle, USS Enterprise of Star Trek reknown, in the picture too?


69 posted on 07/08/2006 5:12:03 AM PDT by exit82 (If Democrats can lead, then I'm Chuck Norris.)
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To: exit82

Not a bad idea.


70 posted on 07/08/2006 8:41:27 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

The picture makes it look like the BUFF was shot of the slanted part of the deck and the catapult didn't have enough umph to fling it aloft. As a result, the BUFF is going into the drink.

Neat picture though. Two fine examples of US power projectors.


71 posted on 07/08/2006 8:44:47 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: Fury; JRios1968; Ditto; Rokke; Red6
There is a lot there to talk about for later more esoteric abstract discussion (or not)

Is that the kind of thing that should petitioned to a private thread?

Wolf
72 posted on 07/08/2006 11:06:56 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: TankerKC
No offense, but it doesn't look real. The BUFF looks way too low and the size doesn't seem proportional.

Agreed. Besides, I didn't think a B52 could fly that low and still remain aloft (except for landings and takeoffs).

The outline of the plane in the above photo is correct, though.

These photos help to give a sense of scale. They are huge aircraft.


73 posted on 07/08/2006 11:35:28 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: RunningWolf; Ditto; Rokke; Red6

I'm game. I went to a school during my active duty days (1998) where we spent a few hours discussing Bud Holland.


74 posted on 07/09/2006 7:02:00 AM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: Wolfstar
The Buff is huge...for a bomber. Still, though, the B-52 is "only" 159 feet long. Compare that to the USS Ranger's length of 1046 feet.
75 posted on 07/09/2006 7:09:49 AM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: RunningWolf

Agreed on your last post...


76 posted on 07/09/2006 7:11:39 AM PDT by Fury
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To: RunningWolf

The Fairchild AFB B-52 incident has been made a case study in poor leadership at Air Force professional military education schools. What a gross embarrassment.


77 posted on 07/09/2006 11:45:08 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: RunningWolf

I like it whaen the MSM told us what "BUFF" meant, of course the PC version. :)

The B52 is another marvel of US arms development. As old as it is, it STILL is a viable platform that serves a purpose within the airframe mix the USAF has!


78 posted on 07/09/2006 2:25:48 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Fury; JRios1968

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129710400/B52_Crash

You can see the film of that Fairchild AFB/ Bud Holland crash here-- I know next to nothing about planes (except that I love them) and even I can see what a dumb move something like that was. Wow how sad.


79 posted on 07/09/2006 2:34:28 PM PDT by lawgirl (She comes on like thunder and she's more right than rain)
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To: Wolfstar
This one was real although many think it isn't. Camera angle and lense mean everything. To confirm search USS AMERICA +F-14 +Snodgrass. The man standing on the flightdeck with hands behind back is an Admiral.

F-14 Fly-By USS AMERICA

80 posted on 07/09/2006 3:02:53 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: lawgirl; Fury

Yeah. The BUFF isn't quite designed for a 95-degree bank angle...


81 posted on 07/09/2006 10:14:54 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: SampleMan
Thanks for posting the picture of the B-52 flyby.

I think you may have your dates wrong. I was a Sea College Airman on the Ranger from 1987-1989, so I caught a the 87 and 88 WESTPAC. I was in the V5 division and I worked in Pri-Fly and on the LSO platform.

In 1988 we were working up for a WESTPAC a few hundred miles out of San Diego. They sent the Air Force out to find us, and war game us. We killed them all, and the Boss let them fly by. We all thought this guy was a goner, and the Boss had a word with Air Force observers in the tower.

Notice how the deck is almost empty, we had a lot of birds in the air for the fight. It's one of those days and sights you never forget. I guess it could have happened in 1990 too, but I was back in Florida in school, so I wouldn't know.

82 posted on 06/28/2008 11:54:32 PM PDT by Ron Wingerter
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To: Ron Wingerter

I think you meant to post to someone else, I didn’t post the photo.


83 posted on 06/29/2008 12:41:08 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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