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So am I needlessly overheated over this?
Vanity - Personal Experience | 7/10/06 | StACase

Posted on 07/10/2006 6:53:23 PM PDT by StACase

My back yard backs onto a pond with a park on the other side where for over 25 years the local July 4th fireworks have been set off. I have an annual party and the best seat in the house. This past July 4th I was with some of my guests down by the pond when a plain clothes cop hollers across the water at me and my guests that if we cross his yellow police line set up at the park entrance he would arrest us. I hollered back, just keep your barricade out of my yard, and that was the end of it, or so I thought.

As it turns out, and I didn't see it, but I am told that some time later this cop came through my yard and told my neighbor's guests they were too close to the fireworks and would have to move. That's why I'm lucky, had I seen it, I'm sure I would have gotten in this cop's face and most probably would have tried to shove him into the pond.


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So am I needlessly overheated over this?
1 posted on 07/10/2006 6:53:24 PM PDT by StACase
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To: StACase
I'm sure I would have gotten in this cop's face and most probably would have tried to shove him into the pond.

I didn't have a problem until you said this. The guy's being an ass, don't give him an excuse to continue to be so. ASk for his supervisor.
2 posted on 07/10/2006 6:54:45 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: StACase

yes


3 posted on 07/10/2006 6:55:09 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: StACase

Most LEO's go into it for the little power it brings them.


4 posted on 07/10/2006 6:56:43 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: StACase

Hmm? Where was the barrier? Draw a map.


5 posted on 07/10/2006 6:57:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: StACase

6 posted on 07/10/2006 6:57:39 PM PDT by cmsgop (It's "BOOTY TIME, BOOTY TIME" ARCROSS THE USA , "BOOTY TIME, BOOTY TIME".......)
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To: StACase
So am I needlessly overheated over this?

Yes. Not that I can't relate though.

7 posted on 07/10/2006 6:57:43 PM PDT by keat (I'm carbon neutral - how 'bout you?)
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To: YaYa123

So do you think it's ok for a cop to enter your property and order people around just because he feels like it?


8 posted on 07/10/2006 6:58:07 PM PDT by StACase
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To: StACase

well, you're not in jail, nor scheduled to see the local judge. cops are like any group, you get your Andy Taylors, and then you get your Barney Fifes. even though it's your private property, go a bit easy, they do have to deal with a lot of crap on a daily basis.


9 posted on 07/10/2006 6:58:15 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (Name one civil liberty that was not paid for in blood)
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To: MikefromOhio

He just sounds overly officious. Why not call in and speak to a supervisor if you think it rates it?


10 posted on 07/10/2006 6:58:53 PM PDT by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: StACase

Was the cop's issue a safety buffer issue or a crowd control/admissions fee issue?


11 posted on 07/10/2006 6:59:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: StACase
As a licensed pyrotechnics operator, I would say that the police officer was out of bounds. First of all, if you were that close to the event, they shouldn't have issued a permit for the show. There are established distances for the size of shell used. Second of all, it is the pyro's call as to where people should be. I am always getting people out of the way before the show. Third of all, it is YOUR PROPERTY. (Isn't it?)
12 posted on 07/10/2006 6:59:55 PM PDT by irishtenor (We survived Clinton in the 80s... we can survive her even when her husband is gone.)
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To: Clara Lou
He just sounds overly officious. Why not call in and speak to a supervisor if you think it rates it?

That's what I said.......
13 posted on 07/10/2006 7:03:18 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: irishtenor
I am always getting people out of the way before the show.

You personally? Show's I've been to, cops have been called or hired to protect the perimeter from people getting too close, and in the case of water shows... the Coast Guard or police boats enforce the line.

14 posted on 07/10/2006 7:05:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: MikefromOhio

Well, I think that you're very astute. :^)


15 posted on 07/10/2006 7:05:13 PM PDT by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: StACase
would have gotten in this cop's face and most probably would have tried to shove him into the pond.

Not overheated, but you need to learn how to talk to cops.

The first step is get him on record: 'Can you put that in writing sir' (the sir is important, you don't have to mean it.)

Then ask to speak to his supervisor.

If he gives you any answer but '(s)he will be hear as soon as reasonably possible' politely order him off your property.

You don't want to touch him, he'll shoot you, get away with it and get a medal.

Also bear in mind it could be a rent-a-cop. They tread very close to impersonating an officer on a daily basis.

Finally consider you might mess up a good thing. The fireworks might be too close to your house. Making too much noise could end the display for everyone.

16 posted on 07/10/2006 7:05:32 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: irishtenor; StACase
As a licensed pyrotechnics operator, I would say that the police officer was out of bounds. First of all, if you were that close to the event, they shouldn't have issued a permit for the show. There are established distances for the size of shell used. Second of all, it is the pyro's call as to where people should be. I am always getting people out of the way before the show. Third of all, it is YOUR PROPERTY. (Isn't it?)

Exactly - our family business butts up against the airport - when the blue angels come - we have THE best seat for miles - even better than the vip tent....weve had some troopers refuse us entry to our property - but they quickly back down when you threaten legal action.....Ive also found that a well placed letter, copied to several depts (police / fire etc) detailing your concerns often prompts a visit in which security and your concerns can be frankly discussed

we havent had a problem for years, and weve come to a common understanding

Weve aquiesced in that we no longer go up on our roof with lawn chairs during the show....other than that - we have full and complete access to our property

17 posted on 07/10/2006 7:11:06 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (Church bbq sauce now avail - see my profile for details)
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To: StACase

Yes


18 posted on 07/10/2006 7:11:52 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: Revelation 911
Ive also found that a well placed letter...

Has your letter ever extended an invitation to watch the show from your location? They probably have kids too.

20 posted on 07/10/2006 7:19:02 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: StACase

THIS is why we have FAR too many police agencies in this country. Every little podunk town does NOT need its own police force!

The majority of small town police forces are unprofessional, lack training and are overly concerned with their own "power". Barney Fifes with REAL power and no sheriff Andy to keep them in check.

States should outlaw city police forces unless their town has a million inhabitants or more. Otherwise, the county force should be enlarged until it fits the bill. Taxes would be a bit cheaper, too (at least it would be an expense that would not have to paid locally).

You would have been right to tell this jerk to jump in that lake!

Still, I have to agree with some here that warn against too much "overheating". These Barney Fife types just LOVE to show how much power they have and you would give them a perfect excuse.

I'd say be sure and have someone video taping what is going on to prove what really happened.


21 posted on 07/10/2006 7:21:20 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Dinsdale

That's what's been mostly on my mind. I should like to enjoy next year's show.

22 posted on 07/10/2006 7:21:48 PM PDT by StACase
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To: Revelation 911

Are the Blue Angels great or what!!!

They are amazing!

Worth fighting to see.


23 posted on 07/10/2006 7:22:10 PM PDT by garyhope ("In vino veritas" Especially a good red wine with a nice grilled steak and baked potato.)
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To: Revelation 911

Are the Blue Angels great or what!!!

They are amazing!

Worth fighting to see.


24 posted on 07/10/2006 7:22:28 PM PDT by garyhope ("In vino veritas" Especially a good red wine with a nice grilled steak and baked potato.)
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To: cmsgop

I suppose your photo is sarcasm of some sort, otherwise, I haven't the foggiest what you're trying to say. Perhaps someone can 'splain.


25 posted on 07/10/2006 7:23:29 PM PDT by StACase
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To: StACase

Bottom Line in this,discuss your feelings with his SGT, They will investigate it, If you really feel strongly,Hire an ATTY for followup and possible action.


26 posted on 07/10/2006 7:27:22 PM PDT by cmsgop (It's "BOOTY TIME, BOOTY TIME" ARCROSS THE USA , "BOOTY TIME, BOOTY TIME".......)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Every little podunk town does NOT need its own police force!

Gotta disagree. A little town near me disbanded their force and opted for state police presence. Crime has skyrocketed. They now have Guardian Angels patrolling their streets, in podunk NJ.

27 posted on 07/10/2006 7:39:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Camden?


28 posted on 07/10/2006 7:41:58 PM PDT by dc27
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To: dc27

Sussex.


29 posted on 07/10/2006 7:43:40 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: MikefromOhio
>>I'm sure I would have gotten in this cop's face and most probably would have tried to shove him into the pond.

>I didn't have a problem until you said this. The guy's being an ass, don't give him an excuse to continue to be so. ASk for his supervisor.

I had an incident happen a few years ago in Washington DC., when a cop was throwing his weight around and giving the driver of the van I was in a hard time for parking his van on the sidewalk around 1am, to load up a bunch of band equipment (we are all over 55, not a bunch of menacing punk kids).

There had been a project going on for months where they had closed off most off the lanes on this main street at night, to repair gas leaks in the sewers. It was the only safe place to park, for about 5-10 minutes, while we loaded up.

Until that night, no cop had said a word. This guy made us park on the opposite side of the street and lug the gear across two lanes of traffic, and he still gave the driver a ticket.

Needless to say, I was enraged, but rather then confront the cop, I sent a letter to the police department, saying that rather giving us a hard time, he should have been helping us.

About a month later, I received a letter saying he was definitely wrong to do that and received a reprimand.

George
30 posted on 07/10/2006 7:47:20 PM PDT by George - the Other (F - - - the New York Times)
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To: George - the Other

yeah...that's about the way things will go.

If they are being a prick for no reason, you can get them into trouble....


31 posted on 07/10/2006 7:48:48 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: StACase

Depends. If he was advising them to back up for their safety, that's one thing. If he was pushy and rude, I'd have told Chief Wiggam to get off my land.


32 posted on 07/10/2006 7:51:46 PM PDT by zook ("We all knew someone in primary school who had a really powerful magnet")
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To: StACase

If the case could be made that the cop was engaged in looking out for the health and welfare of citizens, regardless if he's an ass, your're asking for trouble. If no case can be made for that, combined with the fact that those neighbors guests are on their private land, then you've got some cover.

It's wiser for you that you know you "hold all the aces" before you kick a hornet's nest of those that "have all the guns".

If it remains the case that on the force there's a guy that gets an asswipe attitude when he puts on a badge, which is not as common as many think, you will be doing the department a service by informing his supervisor/chief. Even if nothing is done related to this particular incident, as time goes on and he continues to display an unprofessional attitude, you will have done the department a service by providing higher ups sort of a heads-up on the kind of officer they have.


33 posted on 07/10/2006 7:57:39 PM PDT by PRO 1 (POX on posters who's political bent causes them to refuse to be confused by the FACTS!!!!!!)
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To: Royal Wulff
Has your letter ever extended an invitation to watch the show from your location? They probably have kids too.

liability wise it would be a problem - we are that close....but we did interact post 9/11 with regards to security as the interior floorspace of our building falls within the secure perimeter for thier air space command center which is stationed literally 75yds away from our property - no reason for contentiousness - good communication usually resolves any misunderstanding

34 posted on 07/10/2006 8:00:02 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (Church bbq sauce now avail - see my profile for details)
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To: HairOfTheDog
January 2006

Best photo I have of the pond for this, it was dredged this past winter. Anyway, the barrier was just on the left where you can see the power generator parked. The fireworks are set off just behind those two trees on the opposite shore. Just behind the line of trees on the left are railroad tracks and there's a bridge we can use. The entrance to the park is just a path.

The contractor was not happy with the weather )-:

35 posted on 07/10/2006 8:01:28 PM PDT by StACase
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To: garyhope
simply unreal - they are real gentleman

My favorite stunt is when they tailwalk the jet down the runway - and then shoot straight up

36 posted on 07/10/2006 8:02:48 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (Church bbq sauce now avail - see my profile for details)
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To: Revelation 911

If you see the Blue Angels, you think, What a country that can do this!!

Makes you proud to be an American. You get a little misty eyed.


37 posted on 07/10/2006 8:13:14 PM PDT by garyhope ("In vino veritas" Especially a good red wine with a nice grilled steak and baked potato.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You didn't see my adjunct to getting rid of every podunk city police force. I said the County force must be enlarged for the territory.

I didn't say just get rid of them out of hand!


38 posted on 07/10/2006 10:35:48 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I said the County force must be enlarged for the territory.

That didn't work for Sussex. County Sheriffs don't patrol.

39 posted on 07/10/2006 10:38:42 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Is it MY fault people in New Jersey are stupid?

Look who they made Gov!

;)


40 posted on 07/10/2006 11:23:56 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: HairOfTheDog

Hi, Hair. I do the Carnation show every year. Small show, not many problems. We do have access to the cops and the firemen, but usually I have to handle it before they show up. (The locals know ALL the shortcuts)


41 posted on 07/11/2006 5:57:53 AM PDT by irishtenor (We survived Clinton in the 80s... we can survive her even when her husband is gone.)
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To: StACase

He had no authority to be on your property without a search warrant. Therefore no, I don't think you are being overheated at all. But I am curious, did you go down and talk to his boss? That a$$hat needs to be put back in his place.


42 posted on 07/11/2006 5:59:44 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: StACase

Officer, this is all private property and we'll stand where we like.
If the fireworks are "too close", MOVE THEM!
And by the way, what science did you use to determine "too close"?


43 posted on 07/11/2006 6:03:21 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: StACase

You need the Tijeras_Slim Approved Doormat.

44 posted on 07/11/2006 6:04:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: StACase

If it had been me? I'da stepped outta my trailer with my wife-beater shirt and my Buttweiser, Marlboro danglin' from my lips, a half dozen bottle rockets stuffed in my back pocket... I would have trained my one-eyed glassy stare at the ociffer and told him to kiss mah butt! He ain't got no right to step a dang foot on mah property...

Then I woulda had to yell at Darlene to git back in the trailer and take the rugrats wit her and shut up that damn dog! He's irritatin' the crap outta me...

That's whatta I woulda done, I tell you whut...


45 posted on 07/11/2006 6:15:53 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Nope. And I moved. ;)


46 posted on 07/11/2006 7:50:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Ha, ha.

Good on ya!


47 posted on 07/11/2006 9:24:51 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: G Larry

Yes, those thoughts crossed my mind, and perhaps I might even have been intelligent enough to limit my actions to that, but I know I was pretty hot when he was hollering at me and my guests from the park. Managing to contain myself when, as I was told, he came on my property would have taken extra effort.

I've decided to keep a low profile on this incident, our little community is less than friendly to its citizens.

48 posted on 07/11/2006 10:23:33 AM PDT by StACase
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