Posted on 07/16/2006 7:57:39 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
Something that I've noticed alot recently is the use of the word "and" when speaking dates and numbers. Examples:
1. Two Thousand AND Six (2006)
2. One Hundred AND Ninety Five (195)
3. The address is Three Hundred AND Seven (307) ------ Street
4. The temperature in ------ is One Hundred AND Two (102) degrees.
5. The driver qualified at One Hundred AND Eighty Six (186) miles per hour.
I've noticed news, weather and sportscasters all using the "and" word with numbers.
When I went to school back in the 60's and 70's, my classmates and I were reprimanded when using "and" along with a number. When did this change? Is it now being taught this way in schools?
This really needs to be in Breaking News.
Who knows. Doesn't "AND" used with numbers suggest that there is a decimal point? As in One Hundred and Eighty-Six = 100.86?
Huh? In the 60's and 70's we said "and".
Go for a walk...a long walk...
The old line "2 and 2 is 4" is incorrect if the "and" is a logical operator.
As far as I know, it is unsafe to write 'and' on cheques, in order to prevent someone from modifying the 'and' into a 'thousand'.
Otherwise, I didn't think it was wrong to use the 'and'.
You might be old fashioned, but you are also correct.
BTW, the number between +1 and -1 is not OH.
its zero my dad beat me centless when i said o instaed of zero
Nope, sorry, and used to be taught NOT to be said with numbers except in conjunction with a decimal point. For instance with money you can say 100 dollars and 24 cents. You are not supposed to say 100 and nine dollars for 109.00. This was true in the 60s and 70s and it is true today. The thing is the dumbing down of America has crept into every aspect of our lives and especially for journalist, they have to be kept ignorant or they would suddenly be aware they are all full of sh**.
"Four Score and Seven Years Ago..."
See, it's all a Yankee plot from the War of Northern Aggression.
I remember, waaay back in the 20th century, the ooold timers spoke of "back in ought six" for 1906. Thought that was a wonderful way to refer to the preteen years.
'Course, we're way too sophisticated to use that term now.
That's english english.
June, twenty and four, nineteen hundred and seventy-three.
Not during the 50's and 60's - at least in IL. Our Math teacher, oops Arithmetic teacher, would beat us (verbally and with 'a look').
One Hundred Twenty-Five
Two Thousand Three Hundred ThirtyWith money you put an "and" before the cents, i.e.:
One Hundred Twenty-Five Dollars AND Thirty Cents.
and for a check:
One Hundred Twenty-Five AND 30/100 Dollars
That being said, considering we grew up on the 'Sout-West' side of Chicago, we mostly said 'Hunert' (my wife still does) and other mangleations of the Kings English like; 'over by dare'.
[ but on the 'Nort' side they were much more worse :-) ]
Sing a song of sixpence a pocket full of rye,ML/NJ
Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened the birds began to sing,
Oh wasn't that a dainty dish to set before the king?
The king was in his counting house counting out his money,
The queen was in the parlour eating bread and honey
The maid was in the garden hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird and pecked off her nose!
He beat the pennies out of you?
I usta live jussout of tirtyfif street on Wells by da ball park.
It's a poetic rhythm thing found in archaic writing. It sounds odd, but it seems to be making a comeback in prose--probably to fulfill a need for rhythm that was not being met due to metrical poetry being out of fashion.
I think it was calligraphers trying to make a few extra bucks on wedding indentations. You also see it in those real fancy neighborhoods where they spell the address with letters instead of numbers. You get money for each letter.
When the media dose it.. well, like you want them to talk AND think at the same time.
Wel nyne and twenty in a companye,ML/NJ
Of sondry folk, by aventure y-falleOf fyve and twenty yeer his age I caste.
His berd was wel bigonne for to springe;Wher-as he saugh up-on a daunce go
Of ladies foure and twenty, and yet mo;He coude spare of lechours oon or two,
To techen him to foure and twenty mo.A! yif that covent half a quarter otes!
A! yif that frere a peny, and lat him go!Can, in the space of o day naturel,
This is to seyn, in foure and twenty houres,Which book spak muchel of the operaciouns,
Touchinge the eighte and twenty mansiounsSo lowe, that he nas nat, to my sighte,
Degreës nyne and twenty as in highte.And ye schul heere good game · of yonge Gamelyn.
Four and twenty yonge men · that heelden hem ful bolde,
Not to be nit-picky, but a personal pet peeve that I have is the misspelling of *a lot* when referring to a good quantity, many -- it's two words, not one.
That bugs me alot too.
Nope? You knew me back in the 60's? That's very interesting.
But that IS a decimal point - of sorts. It indicates the transition from base 20 to base 10 counting.
I think the "and" when speaking is syntactically more of an extra syllable for pronunciation than a conjunction. The number "110" should not (at least IMHO) be prounced "wun-hun-dreh-dten". Pronouncing the "d" on hundred cleanly would require adding an extra syllable; I think "wun-hun-dreh-dn-ten" probably flows better than "Wun-hun-dreh-de-ten". My guess would be that the "and" is a back formation from the pronunciation.
Que? No habla ingles. En espanol por favor. Gracias!
The mouth formation is the same for syllables ending with "nd", "nt", or with "d" or "t" without a preceding consonant. Breath timing distinguishes the different forms; the "d" and "t" forms are also often distinguished by the start of the next syllable, especially if it is stressed.
Consider the words "Ben", "beddin'", and "bettin'". Although one might sometimes briefly remove the tongue from the teeth for the "d" and "t" at the start of the second syllable of the latter two words, they may also be spoken distinguishably without doing so, using the exact same mouth formations as "Ben". This is also the same mouth formation as would be used for "bed" or "bet", though in the latter cases the toungue would come off the teeth for the "d" or "t".
The shift from "ed" to "eh-n" one is thus a logical evolution of speech practice.
Thanks. I used the spell check, I thought, but guess it didn't work.
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