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Feds stonewalling on 'super-state' plan?[Agency fails to respond to FOIA request on NAU]
WorldNet Daily ^ | July 19, 2006 | Not Cited

Posted on 07/19/2006 6:04:00 AM PDT by conservativecorner

The U.S. Department of Commerce appears to be stonewalling a Freedom of Information Act request to obtain complete disclosure of a congressionally unauthorized plan to implement a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada that apparently could lead to a North American union.

The plan is being implemented through an office within the Department of Commerce as the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America," under the direction of Geri Word, who is listed as working in the department's North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, office.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, the White House has established executive branch working groups documented on the Commerce website SPP.gov. The Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, was issued as a joint press statement by President Bush, Mexican President Vincente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005.

Commerce has missed a statutory requirement to respond to the FOIA request, filed by author Jerome R. Corsi, within 20 businesses days.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
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1 posted on 07/19/2006 6:04:05 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

How does this end up in chat?


2 posted on 07/19/2006 6:22:20 AM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: Sybeck1

Good question.


3 posted on 07/19/2006 6:47:12 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Sybeck1

I asked in any case. Commerce is outside the law under FOIA, and it's not news? LOL! Unbelievable is all I can say. No one says you have to agree with the FOIA request, but you ought to at least be able to ask the question, and when they refuse to answer it's NEWS!


4 posted on 07/19/2006 6:55:24 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Conspiracy theories are not news, thus they are chatted. Factual news concerning conspiracy theories are therefore also chatted.


5 posted on 07/19/2006 6:57:55 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Sybeck1
The same thing was done when illegal immigration first became an issue, and when Human Events gave credence to the NAU, they did the same thing with them even though you will see Human Events on the Front Page of the site.
6 posted on 07/19/2006 7:00:46 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Admin Moderator

Conspiracy theories? I'm reporting on the Commerce Dept. flipping a finger at Americans who have a right to the information under the FOIA. This is a fact, and not conspiracy.


7 posted on 07/19/2006 7:03:14 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Admin Moderator
"Factual news concerning conspiracy theories"

PRICELESS...LOL! I will say no more after this beauty because I don't know how to argue an oxymoron.

8 posted on 07/19/2006 7:10:55 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Sybeck1; conservativecorner
>How does this end up in chat?

Ummm, because it's more
silly nutty lunacy
from WorldNutsDaily?

9 posted on 07/19/2006 7:13:37 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: conservativecorner
>Conspiracy theories? I'm reporting . . .

Well, some reporting
is best done by making shapes
in local wheat fields . . .

10 posted on 07/19/2006 7:18:13 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
Let us know when there's enough "Factual news" to satisfy some magic number for inclusion in NEWS/ACTIVISM. I don't agree with everything WND puts out by any stretch, but the Executive Branch is making agreements with other nations without Congressional oversight. It always makes me nervous, not saying anything is even there at this point, when one branch of Govt. thumbs it's nose at Americans. In any case, if anything is there, this site will not stop the information from being widely distributed across the Internet. Again, I'm not even saying I believe anything at this point, but can we not ask questions of our Govt.?
11 posted on 07/19/2006 7:21:02 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
>can we not ask questions of our Govt.?

Certainly, but if
you ask your questions like this
THEY see them better

from THEIR satellites
and will immediately
send out black copters

to hover over
your house and beam THEIR response
right into your brain.

12 posted on 07/19/2006 7:27:22 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
I have the satisfaction of knowing that there is a movement in this country to stop the give away for illegal aliens and big business. I hope there is no truth to these articles, but if so, we will deal with it as we did Meirs and the Shamnesty Plan. As Mr. Sowell said so well last week, "People Power".
13 posted on 07/19/2006 7:28:43 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: theFIRMbss

I notice bs in your moniker. Now I know where it comes from. Have a great day.


14 posted on 07/19/2006 7:33:15 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
>we will deal with it as we did Meirs


15 posted on 07/19/2006 7:35:58 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

I alomost forgot to include this because I'm your's so worried about crop circles that you don't do much reading.

Moniker
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A moniker (or "monicker") is a pseudonym, or cognomen, which one gives to oneself. The meaning is distinct from nickname, in that a nickname is generally given to one by another, and not chosen for oneself.

(as slang "moniker" can mean simply "name")

Typically, this title is used as a professional name, instead of the person's given name for works of art, music, books, or performances.

Monikers can also name groups of people, but typically the name is creative and not descriptive.

Also commonly used on internet message boards.

[edit]
Monicker in Clowning
The word "monicker" or more rarely, "monikker" (among clowns, most often intentionally misspelled, with a 'c') in accordance with clown tradition that some words are inherently funny (and hence to be preferred over 'unfunny' words) has been widely embraced by the "clown world" as equivalent to a stage name or pseudonym. A monicker is considered by a professional clown to be sacrosanct by the traditional code of non-infringement. The monicker is considered to be an attribute of the character of the clown and not of the performer. Monicker, in clown usage, can generally be considered synonymous with the terms "clown name" and "Professional name". In declining use, it may mean a clown performer's personal nickname, (eg. "Joseph Grimaldi's monicker was Joey.") rather than the name of the performer's clown.


16 posted on 07/19/2006 7:36:58 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Admin Moderator

LOL, owned!


17 posted on 07/19/2006 7:44:56 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: conservativecorner
>The monicker is considered to be an attribute of the character of the clown and not of the performer. Monicker, in clown usage, can generally be considered synonymous with the terms "clown name" and "Professional name". In declining use . . .


18 posted on 07/19/2006 7:48:15 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Constantine XIII

19 posted on 07/19/2006 7:49:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: conservativecorner
I'm reporting on the Commerce Dept. flipping a finger at Americans who have a right to the information under the FOIA. This is a fact, and not conspiracy.

When did Prof. Corsi file his FOIA request? Last week?

20 posted on 07/19/2006 7:51:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Looks like he filed it a month ago. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that the government is dragging its feet.

Author Jerome Corsi filed a Freedom of Information Act request yesterday asking for full disclosure of the activities of an office implementing a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada . . . .
June 20, 2006

21 posted on 07/19/2006 8:39:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

ROFLcopter!


22 posted on 07/19/2006 10:09:56 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: 1rudeboy

It's kind of like writing an FOIA request about the government's pink unicorn breeding program. We shouldn't be suprised if we don't get a response, should we? =)


23 posted on 07/19/2006 10:11:37 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
It all started here, iirc. The moonbats swirling around that thread amused me for days. I will post to it again, as I just realized how I can demonstrate what a "working group" is.
24 posted on 07/19/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Constantine XIII
>It's kind of like writing an FOIA request about the government's pink unicorn breeding program

Harlan Ellison
once speculated somewhere
that there must exist

tramp, slut unicorns
that can only be touched by
non-virgin women . . .

25 posted on 07/19/2006 11:35:26 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Admin Moderator
"Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., chairman of the Subcommittee on Management, Integration and Oversight of the House Committee on Homeland Security, wrote July 11 to Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez requesting detailed disclosure of working groups in the Security and Prosperity Partnership office within his department."

It's good to see that the "conspiracy theory" is being taken seriously by the chairman of a subcommittee. Let me know when we get enough questions by the House Leadership to make this news and not chat. SHEESH!!

26 posted on 07/20/2006 6:18:26 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner; Sybeck1
Let us know when there's enough "Factual news" to satisfy some magic number for inclusion in NEWS/ACTIVISM.

I wonder why a Congressional committee passed a joint resolution that would stop something that doesn't exist?

Resolution urges U.S. to withdraw from a North American union

A House committee unanimously passed a joint resolution Tuesday that urges the president and Congress to withdraw from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. The resolution, sponsored by Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Orem, now moves to the House floor for a vote.

The SPP, while not an institution, is harshly criticized by some Utah groups. Resolution supporters told the committee Tuesday that the purpose of the SPP is to remove sovereignty from the United States and give it to a North American union, similar to the European Union. The SPP involves the United States, Mexico and Canada.

27 posted on 01/25/2007 10:46:40 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: conservativecorner; Sybeck1; theFIRMbss; Constantine XIII; 1rudeboy
BTW, this is from a mainstream newspaper, not WND or a "conspiracy" site.

I wonder why a Congressional committee passed a joint resolution that would stop something that doesn't exist?

28 posted on 01/25/2007 10:51:03 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill

You'll have to remind me of the Congressional Resolution. I know nothing about it. I know Mr. Corsi received the documents he requested (albeit late) sometime in 2006. He hasn't mentioned it since.


29 posted on 01/25/2007 11:16:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ActionNewsBill
Never mind, you are confused. You've confused a House Resolution passed in the State of Utah, with one passed in the House of Representatives.
30 posted on 01/25/2007 11:28:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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Actually, it's a Resolution passed out of committee in Utah, and waiting for a floor vote in Utah.


31 posted on 01/25/2007 11:30:29 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; ActionNewsBill
>not WND or a "conspiracy" site
>>You've confused a House Resolution passed in the State of Utah, with one passed in the House of Representatives

Maybe the theory
is Elders in red longjohns
run America!

32 posted on 01/25/2007 3:00:34 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: 1rudeboy
You've confused a House Resolution passed in the State of Utah, with one passed in the House of Representatives.

I wonder why a (State) Congressional committee passed a joint resolution that would stop something that doesn't exist?

33 posted on 01/26/2007 3:11:18 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: 1rudeboy
Actually, it's a Resolution passed out of committee in Utah, and waiting for a floor vote in Utah.

House resolution opposes North American Union

Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., has introduced a House resolution expressing congressional opposition to construction of a NAFTA Super Highway System or entry into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada.

Goode said the goal behind House Concurrent Resolution 40, introduced Monday, is "to block a NAFTA Superhighway System and to indicate the opposition of the Congress to the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America that was declared by President Bush, Mexico's then-President Vicente Fox, and Canada's then-Prime Minister Paul Martin, at the conclusion of their summit meeting in Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005."

I wonder why Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., has introduced a House resolution that would stop something that doesn't exist?

34 posted on 01/26/2007 3:16:11 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
I wonder why Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., has introduced a House resolution that would stop something that doesn't exist?

If by "something" you mean the NAU, I'll note that even Rep. Goode's H.CON.RES.40, now languishing in committee, mentions it only twice and begs the question1 whether it exists in both cases. I have to post the text below because for some reason the Library of Congress won't let me link directly to it:

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada.

Whereas the United States Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security participated in the formation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) on March 23, 2005, representing a tri-lateral agreement between the United States, Canada, and Mexico designed, among other things, to facilitate common regulatory schemes between these countries;

Whereas reports issued by the SPP indicate that it has implemented regulatory changes among the three countries that circumvent United States trade, transportation, homeland security, and border security functions and that the SPP will continue to do so in the future;

Whereas the actions taken by the SPP to coordinate border security by eliminating obstacles to migration between Mexico and the United States actually makes the United States-Mexico border less secure because Mexico is the primary source country of illegal immigrants into the United States;

Whereas according to the Department of Commerce, United States trade deficits with Mexico and Canada have significantly increased since the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA);

Whereas the economic and physical security of the United States is impaired by the potential loss of control of its borders attendant to the full operation of NAFTA and the SPP;

Whereas the regulatory and border security changes implemented and proposed by the SPP violate and threaten United States sovereignty;

Whereas a NAFTA Superhighway System from the west coast of Mexico through the United States and into Canada has been suggested as part of a North American Union to facilitate trade between the SPP countries;

Whereas the State of Texas has already begun planning of the Trans-Texas Corridor, a major multi-modal transportation project beginning at the United States-Mexico border, which would serve as an initial section of a NAFTA Superhighway System;

Whereas it could be particularly difficult for Americans to collect insurance from Mexican companies which employ Mexican drivers involved in accidents in the United States, which would likely increase the insurance rates for American drivers;

Whereas future unrestricted foreign trucking into the United States can pose a safety hazard due to inadequate maintenance and inspection, and can act collaterally as a conduit for the entry into the United States of illegal drugs, illegal human smuggling, and terrorist activities; and

Whereas a NAFTA Superhighway System would likely include funds from foreign consortiums and be controlled by foreign management, which threatens the sovereignty of the United States: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That--

      (1) the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System;

      (2) the United States should not allow the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) to implement further regulations that would create a North American Union with Mexico and Canada; and

      (3) the President of the United States should indicate strong opposition to these acts or any other proposals that threaten the sovereignty of the United States.

It's really a shame about Rep. Goode, a stalwart conservative in other matters. Perhaps he'd have greater success introducing a resolution declaring the bald eagle not worthy of being our national symbol, because its habitat includes Canada and Mexico?

_____
1If writers assume as evidence for their argument the very conclusion they are attempting to prove, they engage in the fallacy of begging the question.

35 posted on 01/26/2007 8:03:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
It's really a shame about Rep. Goode, a stalwart conservative in other matters.

I guess it's now a "conservative" value to give up United States sovereignty?

I learn so much from this site.

36 posted on 01/26/2007 10:03:18 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill

You bore me.


37 posted on 01/26/2007 10:05:21 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
You bore me.

Maybe there's a "Rudy is the Second Coming" thread you would be more interested in.

38 posted on 01/26/2007 10:35:29 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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