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A difficult lesson (Must read)
Treppenwitz | 7/16/06

Posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:05 AM PDT by Valin

When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.

All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.

Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.

Nobody moved. Not one person.

The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly.

Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]".

He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.

This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.

I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today.

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.

Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:

Instigate a war. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once.

In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.

As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.


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1 posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:05 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/07/thanks_i_needed.html


2 posted on 07/22/2006 4:20:24 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin
He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

Are you sure it was "blind"?

3 posted on 07/22/2006 4:24:49 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Valin

Nails it.


4 posted on 07/22/2006 4:26:08 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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To: Valin

This is the second round tonite for this article, so what is your point?


5 posted on 07/22/2006 4:26:46 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

Is. must achieve unconditional surrender.


6 posted on 07/22/2006 4:27:30 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Valin

Yes, sometimes what is necessary isn't very pretty.


7 posted on 07/22/2006 4:29:36 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Valin

Good story andanalogy, thanks.
Go Israel, kick the holy snot out of Hezbulla.


8 posted on 07/22/2006 4:30:38 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Valin
Problem with this fight is that both participants think they are the little guy set upon by the bully, neither can actully deliver a knockout blow, and it's largely the bystanders who are getting their teeth punched out.
9 posted on 07/22/2006 4:31:43 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: ansel12

I posted this just to piss you off.


10 posted on 07/22/2006 4:32:55 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: listenhillary

Yep, done nailed it good.


11 posted on 07/22/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: Valin
Fact remains, only 20% of Lebanon is Hezbollah...
The remaining 80% however, is supporting this terrorist organization masquerading as a political party..

Fact remains that even Lebanese Christians have no objection to the willful murder of Israeli Jews..

Lebanon must completely eliminate Hezbollah from it's political structure..
It must completely eliminate Hezbollah's ability to procure and use "agents of deadly force" against Israel, or any other entity..

If Lebanon wishes to be recognized as a responsible nation it must start acting like one, and take responsibility for what has been done and is being done from within it's borders..
Otherwise, Lebanon should pay the price..

12 posted on 07/22/2006 4:37:20 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Valin

Darn't , now your making me reread the whole thing.


13 posted on 07/22/2006 4:38:58 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

This is good! Thanks for posting it.


14 posted on 07/22/2006 4:39:10 AM PDT by syriacus (Perhaps, nowdays, BIG BROTHER IS THE MSM, instead of the government.)
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To: ansel12

HOORAY for me! :-)


15 posted on 07/22/2006 4:41:02 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin

Excellent! Thanks for posting:)


16 posted on 07/22/2006 4:42:49 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: Valin
Very good read, Valin, thanks. I have been thinking along similar lines myself. Whatever one thinks about the Israeli response, one has to admit and come to terms with a population that has in their charter (PLO) and/or screams from the rooftop every other week (Iran-which supports Hezbollah and Lebanon by default), that another country needs to be and is going to be exterminated. It is the civilized world's responsibility to firmly and in some cases violently "teach" these countries that extermination of another people/country/race in NOT acceptable and will NOT be tolerated.

Mark Steyn on Hugh Hewitt was pretty good Thursday. In case you missed it here are the URLs.

http://www.radioblogger.com/

Mark Steyn on Iran and Syria, the Dr. Evil and Mini Me of the Middle East.

http://www.radioblogger.com/images/07-20steyn.mp3
17 posted on 07/22/2006 4:44:09 AM PDT by Chgogal (GDBs - NY Times does it again - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666501/posts)
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To: Valin

Excellent post. I hope Israel continues to kick the living shit out of Hezbollah.

The Lebanese need to learn that there is a price to pay in supporting the terrorist whackjobs. Having lots of your "civilians" killed when the whackjobs get their asses handed to them is part of the price.


18 posted on 07/22/2006 4:44:18 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Valin

This is timely and accurate. Israel must completely destroy Hesbollah as surgically accurately as is reasonabl;y practical and the United States MUST NOT restrain them.

Shorten Condeleeza Rice's leash or give her something else to occupy her attention - maybe soothing Jacque Chirac over what's going on at The tour de France.


19 posted on 07/22/2006 4:44:58 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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To: Valin

Boo-ti-full. Best thing I've read on the Israeli-Arab conflict in weeks.


20 posted on 07/22/2006 4:47:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Valin

Great post. Thanks.


21 posted on 07/22/2006 4:48:19 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Valin

"I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.



Instigate a war. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once.

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a day.
As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat."





22 posted on 07/22/2006 4:53:01 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

"I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.



Instigate a war. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once.

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a day.
As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat."




This seems like some sick stuff to post on an American site, while we have Soldiers and Marines in combat as this thread is being read.

What am I misinterpreting here?



23 posted on 07/22/2006 4:57:01 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: ansel12
...so what is your point?

"Duh" award of the day

24 posted on 07/22/2006 5:03:13 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7

"...so what is your point?
"Duh" award of the day"

So spare a moment , what is the "point"


25 posted on 07/22/2006 5:07:04 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: ansel12

funny, no one else seems to have a problem seeing that this is spot on to the current situation, as evidenced by the other posts. maybe YOU are the one that needs to explain YOUR problem with it.


26 posted on 07/22/2006 5:09:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Please, just translate it for me.


27 posted on 07/22/2006 5:10:38 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: ansel12

seriously, it is self evident. since you are in the minority, you explain to the rest of us, what bothers you about it.


28 posted on 07/22/2006 5:11:10 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Problem with this fight is that both participants think they are the little guy set upon by the bully, neither can actully deliver a knockout blow, and it's largely the bystanders who are getting their teeth punched out.

The muslims don't think they are the little guy set upon by the bully. They know they are the aggressor and they want all Israelis dead. The Isrealis are quite capable of delivering a knock out blow and I hope the hell they do. Your little analysis is dead wrong. The bystanders in Lebanon are not "innocent" and have encouraged and supported the terrorists for years. They are getting what they deserve.

29 posted on 07/22/2006 5:13:14 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: xsmommy

What the heck is going on here, it sounds like the Marines are being put down, then it goes into middle eastern stuff, this is the second time this weird Filipino- Marine thing has been posted, while we are at war, please explain this seeming put down, of the American fighting man.


30 posted on 07/22/2006 5:17:02 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: calex59

The bystanders in Lebanon are not "innocent" and have encouraged and supported the terrorists for years.


This is from another thread
"The problem I have with this view is people look at Lebanon and think it's a real country like Britain...Japan...America or any other country with a strong government, it's not. Remember one year ago it was ruled by Syria and they still have a great deal of power there. I also could mention the civil war they went through, they fact that Hezbollah the only militia that didn't disamr probably has more fire power than the Lebanese and has the backing of Syria.
Given this, what can the President of Lebanon do?"


31 posted on 07/22/2006 5:18:11 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Problem with this fight is that both participants think they are the little guy set upon by the bully,

What they think should not influence us. What we know should. We know who is the aggressor in this conflict. We know which is the bully.

neither can actully deliver a knockout blow,

I doubt that is true.

and it's largely the bystanders who are getting their teeth punched out.

Except for those who are visiting Lebanon there are no bystanders. The Lebanese who "aren't Hezbullah" allowed them to come in, to stay, and to attack. If they had known from the beginning that their choice was to kick Hezbullah out or lose their homes, do you think they would have behaved a little differently?

Shalom.

32 posted on 07/22/2006 5:20:01 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ansel12
The Marine was described as big and is supposed to be a representing the Muslims. The slightly built Sailor is supposed to represent Israel. I truly believe that this was not supposed to be a put down to our beloved Marines. Truly.
33 posted on 07/22/2006 5:23:13 AM PDT by Chgogal (GDBs - NY Times does it again - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666501/posts)
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To: xsmommy
seriously, it is self evident. since you are in the minority, you explain to the rest of us, what bothers you about it.

He just has to demonstrate his moral superiority to the rest of us.

34 posted on 07/22/2006 5:23:32 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: ansel12
I'm glad that Valin posted this story for a second time, because I missed it the first time. And, because it is a very powerful, correct analogy to the present situation in Lebanon. So far, without stating it in so many words, the policy of the US is "Let Israel be Israel."

I listened with extreme care to the statements made by Secretary Condi Rice, yesterday. She is a very clear thinker, and is extremely precise in her use of language. She made it quite clear that she would not be seeking a cease fire, if that meant preserving the status quo.

As long as the US holds to this position, as bloody as the situation may get in Lebanon, the problem is still moving toward a solution. And that's the point of this article.

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35 posted on 07/22/2006 5:26:09 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please see new message, here: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: ansel12

ok here's a little tip. the big oafish marine SYMBOLIZES hezbollah. and the slight but pugilistic latino sailor is REPRESENTATIVE of israel. you really need to try to stretch your brain and figure it out from there.


36 posted on 07/22/2006 5:27:53 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: hopespringseternal; ansel12

moral superiority heck, he is demonstrating his dimness or recalcitrant refusal to see analogy.


37 posted on 07/22/2006 5:29:06 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: ansel12

In a bar fight, a sailor will always whip a Marine's butt :-)


38 posted on 07/22/2006 5:29:57 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Chgogal

"The Marine was described as big and is supposed to be a representing the Muslims. The slightly built Sailor is supposed to represent Israel. I truly believe that this was not supposed to be a put down to our beloved Marines. Truly."


So while we are at war, this thread uses the United States Marine corp to represent the most reviled people in western civilization.

The imaginary hero is a small, foreign, country that defeats the United States Marine, because we represent the world's Muslim terrorists.

WOW, for Gods sake who are you people?


39 posted on 07/22/2006 5:35:44 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Valin

"The problem I have with this view..."

That's kind of my feeling too.
While I understand what this author's point is as far as the bar fight, I'm not so sure it's analagous to Lebanon.
Unfortunately, Hezbollah also has it's charitable branch, like Hamas, and it's part of people's every day lives.
And Syria is still a strong influence in Lebanon, and Iran has a very big influence, especially in Southern Lebanon. There's not a whole lot the president can do about it, if he wants to stay alive.
Not to mention that probably 1/2 of his army is Shiite and wouldn't fight against Hezbollah.


40 posted on 07/22/2006 5:38:25 AM PDT by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Valin
A friend of mine had a similar experience in the Florida panhandle some years ago when he was in the Army. He and a smallish Filipino friend were drinking in a local bar when several rednecks picked a fight, pursuing them even as they left the bar to avoid the confrontation. The fight did not last long, with the Filipino sergeant exercising his martial arts skills. The rednecks were quickly bloodied and on the ground, and their friends were calling an ambulance and the sheriff -- and recruiting witnesses to claim that they had been attacked without provocation.

The two military men immediately returned to base and reported the incident to the provost office. The brusque, no nonsense black captain on duty was irate about yet another incident with the locals. His attitude seemed to soften a little when the two servicemen mentioned the vitriolic abuse directed at the dark-skinned Filipino -- which they were reluctant to repeat until ordered to do so. The phone then rang, and it was the sheriff's office calling to discuss the incident. After a moment, the provost captain returned, struggling to hold back a smile: unusually, the sheriff's office was complimentary about the restrained and correct correct conduct of two servicemen, who had also done a public service by delivering a much-derserved beating to some troublesome local bullies.
41 posted on 07/22/2006 5:42:33 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: ansel12
...so what is your point?

See....if you don't defeat the bully, he will remain a bully. The story is pretty clear..the words aren't too big.

42 posted on 07/22/2006 5:43:14 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: ansel12
So spare a moment , what is the "point"

I'll try to make it, or you can read Thomas Sowell's most recent article as he is much more articulate than I (It's linked from Drudge).

If you help the bully before he gets his a$$ whipped, he remains a bully. You need to let the bully get his a$$ whipped so he learns to keep his fists to himself.

In this case, Hezbullah is the bully. Israel is about to whip his a$$. We need to let that happen until Hezbullah learns that there is no room in this world for such a bully.

And, if the Arab world learns to stop supporting him, so much the better, but that's not part of the analogy.

Shalom.

43 posted on 07/22/2006 5:43:28 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ansel12
WOW, for Gods sake who are you people?

I can't speak for the rest, but I'm someone who can read an analogy without reading more into it than was put there.

Shalom.

44 posted on 07/22/2006 5:46:17 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
Unfortunately, Hezbollah also has it's charitable branch, like Hamas, and it's part of people's every day lives.

I understand the mob makes very good neighbors.

That excuses nothing.

Shalom.

45 posted on 07/22/2006 5:47:24 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ansel12
So while we are at war, this thread uses the United States Marine corp to represent the most reviled people in western civilization.

Wow. I've never before seen the word "obtuse" demonstrated in such a clear fashion.

Since none of the Marine's buddies stepped in either, it seems pretty apparent to the vast majority of us that he was an abberration, and that his buddies didn't hold to his stupid behavior either. It's not an indictment of the Marine Corps; it's an indictment of one person, and an indication of what needs to be allowed to happen.

46 posted on 07/22/2006 5:49:23 AM PDT by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: Terabitten

While there are no doubt many who support Hezbollah, many don't. However, up to now, it has been easier for them to live with Hezbollah, than to deal with them.

Israel is changing that political calculus. In addition to stomping Hezbollah wherever they can be found, they are also showing the rest of Lebanon, and the world, that it's best not to let terrorists live among you.


47 posted on 07/22/2006 5:50:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Valin
Bump!! Bump!! Bump!!

Kudos!

Thanks for posting this!

Kick A$$, Israel! Kick A$$!!


48 posted on 07/22/2006 5:51:02 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
Unfortunately, Hezbollah also has it's charitable branch, like Hamas, and it's part of people's every day lives.

The alleged good works are negated by the fact that they are terrorist murderers. For example, if a citizen has committed a violent crime, but he also donated to his church or the Red Cross or whatever, he will be punished for the violent crime and the good deeds are rendered meaningless. Completely meaningless.

49 posted on 07/22/2006 5:55:12 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Valin

Good for you! This is the first time I read this story, and I must say that I am very impressed. It would have been a shame to miss this common sense take on the current situation. Your posting is much appreciated.


50 posted on 07/22/2006 5:55:30 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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