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Landis says his high testosterone is natural - Landis maintains doping innocence
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/28/06 | Mar Roman - ap

Posted on 07/28/2006 10:38:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Floyd Landis said the high testosterone levels that caused him to fail a drug test at the Tour de France are the result of his natural metabolism -- not doping of any kind -- and he will undergo tests to prove it.

"We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence," Landis said Friday in his first public appearance since the doping test cast doubt on his title, one of the most stirring comeback wins in Tour history.

Landis said in a teleconference Thursday that he had no idea what may have tripped the test following the race's 17th stage, where he made his heroic charge into the Alps last week.

But on Friday he was adamant that the reading is the result of his natural physiology.

"I would like to make absolutely clear that I am not in any doping process," Landis said. "I ask not to be judged by anyone, much less sentenced by anyone."

Landis is still awaiting results from a backup sample, which will clear him if it comes back negative. He said Friday that he would undergo additional testing to show that his body produces a high level of testosterone naturally.

If ultimately proven guilty, he could be stripped of the Tour title and fired from the team. Switzerland-based Phonak said it would ask that the backup sample be tested in the next few days.

The team suspended Landis after the International Cycling Union notified it Wednesday that he had an "unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when his test was taken last Thursday, the day he staked his comeback in the Alps.

Landis said he was shocked when told of the initial positive result. He said he had been tested six other times during the tour, and many other times during the year.

His voice was subdued and at times downcast on the Thursday call, when he said he expected to clear his name but never to truly shake the disgrace of doping. But Landis turned defiant in his Friday appearance, chastising the media for implying that he was accused of doping and defending himself as an honest competitor who devoted his life to his sport.

"I declare convincingly and categorically that my winning the Tour de France has been exclusively due to many years of training and my complete devotion to cycling," he said. "I was the strongest guy. I deserved to win, and I'm proud of it."


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Sports
KEYWORDS: doping; landis; testosterone; tourdefrance

(AP Photo/Bas Czerwinski)

In a file photo Floyd Landis celebrates on the podium after winning the 93rd Tour de France cycling race, in Paris, Sunday, July 23, 2006. Landis, whose stirring Tour de France comeback win was cast into doubt by a test for high testosterone, said he expects to prove his innocence.


1 posted on 07/28/2006 10:38:37 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Landis says his high testosterone is natural

Natural for Americans, that is.

2 posted on 07/28/2006 10:39:18 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: NormsRevenge
"We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence," Landis said Friday in his first public appearance since the doping test cast doubt on his title, one of the most stirring comeback wins in Tour history.

A natural occurrence right after Stage 17.

3 posted on 07/28/2006 10:41:05 AM PDT by jdm
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To: Mr. Mojo
Male pattern baldness?

Do you think his testosterone is as high as Janet Reno's?

4 posted on 07/28/2006 10:41:48 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Do you think his testosterone is as high as Janet Reno's?

But then Jan has Lance's missing testicle.

5 posted on 07/28/2006 10:44:28 AM PDT by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit. There are people in Africa sober!)
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To: jdm
A natural occurrence right after Stage 17.

This is the first thing to hit me as well, reading his protestations here. Would you know, did he get tested before each and every stage, this only went *ding* at 17? Do you suppose he'll be able to dig up some endocrinologist who will explain that somehow the last hill or a tree in the road or whatever managed to increase his testosterone at that particular stage, not the others?? Hmm ...

6 posted on 07/28/2006 10:46:42 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: NormsRevenge

I had mine checked the other night... it was "Full".


7 posted on 07/28/2006 10:48:48 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: jdm

You can't take testosterone and get a one day boost, though. You'd have to be taking it for a while.


8 posted on 07/28/2006 10:50:38 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: jdm

You can't take testosterone and get a one day boost, though. You'd have to be taking it for a while.


9 posted on 07/28/2006 10:50:43 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; MozarkDawg
"You can't take testosterone and get a one day boost, though."

Or a one-stage boost!
10 posted on 07/28/2006 10:51:42 AM PDT by jdm
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To: NormsRevenge
Landis says his high testosterone is natural - Landis maintains doping innocence

IOW, he's got more stones than the french, and they're mad about it.
11 posted on 07/28/2006 10:51:53 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: NormsRevenge

If they compared his testosterone level to French levels, it's no wonder it seemed abnormally high.


12 posted on 07/28/2006 10:52:09 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: NormsRevenge
The thing is that testosterone would need to be used over time to have positive effects. His other tests were negative. If we assume he was using either a modest amount or none before Stage 16, slathering an increased amount 20 hrs before Stage 17 would have produced only a marginal recovery benefit. Hardly seems worthwhile to have risked.

The SJ Mercury quotes a French newspaper that the Carbon 13/12 ratio indicates an exogenous source, which isn't good for Floyd.

Floyd will probably be able to kick up enough dust to get off, or a light punishment. The UCI cannot be too enthused about throwing away a Tour and Champion over just one lil' whacky T/E ratio.

13 posted on 07/28/2006 11:22:31 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: NormsRevenge
Here's a link to a video of his press conference. He sounds convincing, at least to me.

San Luis Obispo news link Floyd Landis

14 posted on 07/28/2006 11:35:08 AM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: Plutarch

Is there an allegation that he used something, which created the residual effect of a high testosterone level in the test? Is there such a drug? Yesterday, he said he drank whiskey the night before Stage 17. That's what my local radio newsbreak said, anyway.


16 posted on 07/28/2006 11:52:52 AM PDT by lainie
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course he has a high level of testosterone....compared to the French who are so upset at being unable to win the Tour de France again.

But we all know the French have no balls.

No balls, no testosterone.
No balls, no medals.


17 posted on 07/28/2006 12:00:56 PM PDT by fredhead (Women want me....Fish fear me....Oh well, one out of two ain't bad.)
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To: Mr. Mojo; Lil'freeper
"Natural for Americans, that is."

Having lived in Europe for several years I can verify that there is a definite lack of testosterone in the male population over there.

18 posted on 07/28/2006 12:07:18 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: fredhead

Maybe the French National Testosterone was spent at the World Cup?


19 posted on 07/28/2006 12:48:10 PM PDT by rovenstinez (,)
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To: NormsRevenge
Taranto had this to say in today's "Best of the Web": Only the French would consider the presence of testosterone in a man's system suspicious.
20 posted on 07/28/2006 12:48:26 PM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality)
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To: NormsRevenge

Landis to critics "would you like to see my balls?"


21 posted on 07/28/2006 1:30:35 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: NormsRevenge
From: Bloomberg.com
Testosterone Used During Race Wouldn't Have Helped, Experts Say

July 28 (Bloomberg) -- Testosterone, the human hormone now linked with American Floyd Landis's Tour de France win, wouldn't have helped his performance if taken during this year's prestigious bicycle race, experts said today.

The hormone helps athletes train for races by enlarging muscle fibers over weeks of training, according to two American doctors and a consultant with the Montreal-based based World Anti-Doping Association, which has coordinated control of performance-enhancing drugs in Olympic-level sports since 1999.

``This effect takes several weeks to come into play,'' said Charles Yesalis, a Penn State University professor of health and human development, in a telephone interview today. ``I don't want to sound like Oliver Stone, but it raises some questions in my mind as to what's going on here.''

Landis, 30, whose hormone levels were found to be elevated after the 17th stage of the race, passed tests on six other occasions during the three-week event. Landis, who denied dosing himself with the hormone in a news conference today, would become the first winner of cycling's premier event to be stripped of the title for drug use if a second test of his urine, taken at the same time, confirms a violation.

Those results may not be available for at least two weeks, according to the sport's ruling body.

Testosterone ``increases the cross-sectional areas of the muscle and the size of the muscle fibers,'' said Timothy Foster, a Boston University School of Medicine professor of orthopedic surgery and sports medicine, in a phone interview today. ``It's not something that happens overnight.''

`Short-Term'

``Testosterone doesn't help in the short term,'' agreed Steven Ungerleider, the Anti-Doping Association consultant, in a telephone interview today from Eugene, Oregon. ``None of the synthetic derivatives of testosterone would help in the short term, you have to go on long-term cycles involving a strict regimen.''

Ungerleider's group was formed in 1999 with support from the International Olympics Committee to help coordinate the fight against performance-enhancing drugs in sport.

Illegal in the U.S. save for sanctioned medical uses, athletes can definitely gain an edge using the hormone over several weeks, the experts said.

Hormones are naturally produced substances in the body that turn on genes in the body involving the size and shape of organs such as the breast, brain, skin and heart. Testosterone can lead to bigger muscles, and better muscle definition.

Levels Higher in Men

Men's testosterone levels are usually about 300 to 1,000 nanograms per deciliter of blood, about 10 times greater than those normally found in women, according to the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

Various conditions, including infections involving the testicles, where the hormone is produced, sometimes require replacement injections, said Michael O'Leary, a urologist at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

Testosterone can only be used as a drug in the U.S. with a prescription, and its use is banned by the Olympics and some other sports events, Ungerleider said. Yet it remains easy to access in the U.S. and other countries through Internet sales and other channels, he said.

``You just push a button, do a Google search and you can get 300,000 hits for people selling these drugs,'' Ungerleider said. ``It's very disturbing.''

To contact the reporters on this story:
John Lauerman in Boston at  jlauerman@bloomberg.net;
Last Updated: July 28, 2006 15:20 EDT
22 posted on 07/28/2006 2:10:13 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: NormsRevenge

I heard him on Larry King last night.I think the second test will be positive. Why would one be positive and the other negative? If the French are out to get him then the second one will be positive for sure. Obviously this is just a guess but I have a feeling I am right.


23 posted on 07/29/2006 1:27:40 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Uncle Hal

It's amusing that every time an American beats the French in their precious Tour de France, they check the testosterone levels and start screaming "not natural". Maybe elevated levels for the French, but not for Americans apparently.


24 posted on 07/29/2006 4:30:14 PM PDT by capers_for_freedom
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To: Uncle Hal
I heard him on Larry King last night.I think the second test will be positive. Why would one be positive and the other negative?

In every single previous situation, the second test has turned out to be negative.

25 posted on 07/29/2006 4:36:32 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: whattajoke; CyberCowboy777; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; stylin_geek; ...
Tour de France ping!

Interesting article posted in #22...

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my Tour de France 2006 list.

26 posted on 07/31/2006 9:11:05 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Actually what he is claiming is that on the ratio of Testosteron/Epitestosteron he is low on Epitestosteron making the ratio higher than "normal."


27 posted on 07/31/2006 9:30:36 AM PDT by upier ("Usted no es agradable en América" "Ahora deporte Illegals")
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To: Toidylop

Just about everything I have read on this case leads me to believe something was tampered with and this is a conspiracy against Landis. If what these endocrinologists are saying is accurate about the effects of testosterone being evident only after prolonged use and the fact that Floyd passed 6 other tests in the race, then it's just not possible. Not to mention that it would possibly be the dumbest thing any cyclist could ever do in that race KNOWING that they were going to be tested if they won a stage. Call me naive but I simply do not believe it.


28 posted on 07/31/2006 9:32:59 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I smelled a rat from the gitgo!!!


29 posted on 07/31/2006 10:10:07 AM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Wyatt's Torch
HE not only passed tests beforehand -- He passed TWO MORE TESTS AFTER!!! He was tested after Stage 19 and Stage 20 and those tests were fine.
30 posted on 07/31/2006 10:21:33 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks, nutmeg. It'd be nice when the total story comes out.


31 posted on 07/31/2006 10:24:22 AM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: commish

True. I am by no means an expert on doping but from everything I have read, testoterone levels like this do not just "appear" and then they would not "disappear". This whole thing just stinks....


32 posted on 07/31/2006 11:48:26 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: 80 Square Miles; All
Taranto had this to say in today's "Best of the Web": Only the French would consider the presence of testosterone in a man's system suspicious.

Maybe they just got used to American winners with low readings (think about Lance for a second, no disrespect, just a comparison...)

Cheers!

33 posted on 07/31/2006 9:10:00 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Bob Roll's take on the issue, which I completely agree with>

The newest American Tour de France champion has run afoul of the anti-doping
establishment in Europe, just as Lance Armstrong had done -- both through no
fault of their own. Their most egregious discretion being much better at
racing a bicycle than their European contemporaries.

One thing that has been underreported in the popular media is that no
illegal substance has been found in Landis’ system.

If we look just beyond a narrow ratio of epitestosterone vs. testosterone
and the French conceit regarding American Tour de France winners, it is easy
to see an anti-doping system that is random, seriously flawed and that most
importantly provides zero recourse for an athlete who is falsely accused of
a doping offensive.

Anti-doping authorities remain free to hurl any conjecture, opinion, or
theory against any athlete without recriminations, even if those accusations
prove to be false or have no merit.

If an athlete is accused of doping, his career is ruined. If an athlete is
accused and subsequently found to be innocent, his or her career is still
ruined -- but the persons responsible for those accusations have no
penalties that they have to face.

One example is the pall cast on Lance Armstrong’s Tour wins by WADA chief
Dick Pound. Although there was no concrete evidence ever provided by any
credible source challenging the veracity of Lance Armstrong’s Tour wins, Mr.
Pound faces no penalties. And, Mr. Pound has not hesitated in casting
aspersions on Lance Armstrong’s record.

Has Dick Pound's credibility ever been as viciously attacked as he has
attacked cycling? He is still in his position of power and prestige, free to
ignore 100’s of doping control samples Lance Armstrong has provided -- all
of which were negative under WADA’s own guidelines.

Will Floyd Landis be subjected to the same program directed at cyclists by
the anti-doping authorities of the world? It seems to already be the case.
He will have to run the same crucible as Lance Armstrong has had to do and
defend his yellow jersey -- not only on the roads of the Tour, but also in
the court’s popular media and in the fans of cycling’s appreciation of the
sport.

The people will remain steadfast in their devotion to this world’s most
beautiful sporting spectacle, in spite of WADA’s best efforts to ruin
cycling’s reputation.

As anti-doping efforts continue to be fraught with inconsistencies,
half-truths, and true lies, it is more and more difficult to ascertain when
an athlete is found to be positive. In Floyd’s case, many questions are
difficult to ignore.

Can one sample be nearly three times different in 24 hours than a previous
sample?

Can the body absorb, metabolize and convert any substance into a
controllable sample that has been recorded to be a ratio of 11 to 1 of
testosterone vs. epitestosterone -- almost three times the allowable ratio
in one single day?

Can any doctor explain the findings in a way regular people can understand?

In the meantime, the B sample is in limbo somewhere next to the 2006 yellow
jersey. No names are to be released if an A sample is positive until the B
sample confirms. Oh well, if you are an anti-doping agent your own edicts do
not apply.

I won’t believe Floyd is guilty of these accusations until Floyd says he did
indeed use the products he is accused of being positive for.
34 posted on 08/06/2006 6:59:37 AM PDT by yobid (Islam is a disease and its death is the cure - deus clypus meus)
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