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Titanic (Oklahoma QB), meet iceberg (NCAA Violation)
The Daily Oklahoman ^ | now | unk

Posted on 08/02/2006 11:42:24 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan

Bomar off OU football team

From Staff and Wire Reports Oklahoma football coach Bob Stoops says he's dismissing two players from the Sooner football team. Oklahoma confirmed that two players had been dismissed by the team but did not identify them. The school said in a statement that the players violated NCAA rules by working at a private business and taking "payment over an extended period of time in excess of time actually worked."

Oklahoma City television station KWTV reported that Bomar, who set an Oklahoma freshman record with 2,018 passing yards after taking over as the Sooners' starter in the second game last season, was one of the two players who had been permanently dismissed.

"We spend a considerable amount of time addressing our players regarding their personal conduct and the NCAA rules," head coach Bob Stoops said in a statement. "They know exactly what we expect from them. Ultimately, they have to make right decisions. The same holds true for our boosters. When they do not, the consequences are serious, and we will not tolerate this behavior.

"Our team and university actions are necessary because of the intentional participation and knowledge of the student athletes in these violations," Stoops said.

A top-rated recruit out of high school, Bomar redshirted his first season while 2004 Heisman Trophy winner Jason White completed his career. Bomar lost a quarterback competition to Paul Thompson last fall, but was named the starter after the Sooners lost to TCU in the first week.

He started Oklahoma's final 11 games and completed 54 percent of his passes, while throwing 10 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Oklahoma finished 2005 by winning six of its final seven games, including a victory against Oregon in the Holiday Bowl.

"I firmly believe that our program is stronger than any individual player and that a championship program cannot compromise its values," Stoops said in the statement.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: anotherduplicate; collegefootball; football; ncaa; ou; poooooorsoooners; probationuniversity
OK. This sucks. But, you know what...this kid has had problems since he got here on and off the field. He has never lived up to the hype that preceded him. He's cocky to a fault and has a sense of entitlement like most so-called "scholar-athletes." He gets what he deserves. Kudos to Bob Stoops for doing the right thing.
1 posted on 08/02/2006 11:42:25 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: GodfearingTexan

Ok, enlighten me on what rules they actually violated. It reads to me as if they worked for a private business and they were paid more then the time they actually worked. Why is that bad? What am I missing? I have to confess I am not a big football fan so really am lost here about this rule:).


2 posted on 08/02/2006 11:47:26 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: calex59

They are getting paid but not working...booster is paying them off. Can't do that if you are an NCAA athlete.


3 posted on 08/02/2006 11:49:18 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: calex59
were paid more then the time they actually worked. Why is that bad? What am I missing?

It’s a way to hide payola to the student/athlete, which is a big no-no.

Only the coaches and administrators are supposed to get paid, not the kids who put the asses in the seats.

4 posted on 08/02/2006 11:50:06 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: GodfearingTexan

More proof that Division One schools should just convert their "scholar-athletes" to minor leagues and be done with it.


5 posted on 08/02/2006 11:51:15 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: calex59

Why is that bad? What am I missing?

Boosters in the past would promise star recruits that if they came to the Univ. of Oklahoma (or anywhere, mind you) that they would be given a job where they didn't have to show up to get paid, or given overtime they didn't work. It is an illegal inducement and in a sense, pay for play, and a method of drawing recruits to a program that needed them. It is said that former player Brian Bosworth used to work a few hours at a GM plant and did nothing but maliciously screw loose bolts underneath the chassis for no reason, and still get full pay. Things have changed.


6 posted on 08/02/2006 11:52:06 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: calex59

For anyone else in the world this would be a good thing. For an NCAA athlete, it's a BIG violation of the rules. The team can lose scholarships, bowl appearances, tv revenue... all sorts of good things.

And the beauty of the NCAA is that it's a "volunteer" organization that can pick and choose how it wants to enforce the rules. Typically teams in the South and Southwest get punished MUCH more severely for the same violation than would a team from the Northeast.


7 posted on 08/02/2006 11:53:06 AM PDT by MMcC
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To: calex59
It reads to me as if they worked for a private business and they were paid more then the time they actually worked. Why is that bad? What am I missing?

Maybe the players weren't paying United Auto Workers dues like they're supposed to for jobs like that. :-)

8 posted on 08/02/2006 11:54:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Loose lips sink ships - and the New York Times really doesn't have a problem with sinking ships.)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Take it from someone who knows. OU needs to get rid of that booster too - hard and quick.


9 posted on 08/02/2006 12:01:43 PM PDT by Condor 63
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Ok, I get it. I wasn't thinking it through. The old pay for no work routine to hide the fact the school is actually paying them to play football(or some other sport). Gotcha!

Thanks to all the responses to my questions, you can always count on FReepers to have the answers!:)

10 posted on 08/02/2006 12:02:25 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Condor 63

the Sports Animal is reporting that he worked for Big Red Sports and Imports, which ironically is one of their station's biggest advertisers.


11 posted on 08/02/2006 12:04:30 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: GodfearingTexan

Bomar Sooner, Bomar Sooner = Bomar Later?


12 posted on 08/02/2006 12:06:34 PM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: GodfearingTexan

As someone who went to the University of Texas, I salute Bob Stoops for doing the right thing. Bomar really has given Stoops headaches over the last couple of years.


13 posted on 08/02/2006 12:07:07 PM PDT by Tex Pete
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To: GodfearingTexan

The Second Player dismissed from the team is Starting G J.D. Quinn. FYI


14 posted on 08/02/2006 12:11:06 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: calex59
were paid more then the time they actually worked. Why is that bad? What am I missing?

Yeah, sounds like what the politicians do all the time, doesn't it? Maybe we should get the NCAA to perform oversight on our Senators and Representatives.

15 posted on 08/02/2006 12:20:24 PM PDT by FOXFANVOX (God Bless Our Military!)
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To: commish

OL or DL?


16 posted on 08/02/2006 12:21:55 PM PDT by highimpact
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To: Tex Pete

I hate OU, but kudos for Stoops for doing the right thing.


17 posted on 08/02/2006 12:22:54 PM PDT by highimpact
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To: GodfearingTexan

What a bomar, er bummer.


18 posted on 08/02/2006 12:23:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: dead

They can get paid but it has to be done within the rules. Not the first time that a booster got too generous.


19 posted on 08/02/2006 12:25:04 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: highimpact
OL or DL?

OL ...

20 posted on 08/02/2006 12:26:12 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: dead
Only the coaches and administrators are supposed to get paid, not the kids who put the asses in the seats.

If your rich, no one notices.

Matt Leineart has a family thats loaded, so no one blinked an eye that he was living a life that more or less resembled a pro-athlete then a amateur.

I'm trying to find out who the famous Miami Hurricane was who had the ultimate line when they asked him what the difference would be going from the U of M to the NFL.

His answer.

"A pay cut".

21 posted on 08/02/2006 12:27:59 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: calex59
It reads to me as if they worked for a private business and they were paid more then the time they actually worked. Why is that bad?

Because if you are SMU, it will get you the death penalty. The NCAA would never do that to Oklahoma, but there are probably folks there who would love to come down on the school for its role in breaking the NCAA TV monopoly, and thus the program can't engage in blatant violation of the rules as can some of the programs.

22 posted on 08/02/2006 12:30:14 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: GodfearingTexan

OU the best texas team that money can buy.


23 posted on 08/02/2006 12:32:53 PM PDT by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras Mr Blackmun)
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To: PAR35
if you are SMU, it will get you the death penalty. The NCAA would never do that to Oklahoma.

They wouldn't do that to an Alabama either. They would however crush both with massive penalties making it virtually impossible to field a competitive team for 4-5 years and destroying the depth on the bench.

Check my profile and you will see why I said take it from someone who knows.

That is also why I said OU needs to get rid of the booster. A rotten booster can destroy a program in 15 minutes or less.

Agree 100% that SMU got screwed btw. That is what the NCAA rules committee does.

24 posted on 08/02/2006 12:39:14 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: GodfearingTexan

Coincidentally, it was also Big Red that let Adrian Peterson buy/return the Lexus, which the NCAA cleared >>>

http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/19/4447033d25d11


25 posted on 08/02/2006 12:43:46 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: MMcC

Isn't THAT the truth!!!


26 posted on 08/02/2006 12:44:14 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: meandog

Not as a Sooner, apparently.


27 posted on 08/02/2006 12:45:54 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: WestTexasWend; commish

Commish, see post 25.....so is the the sports car he's been driving this summer or another one?


28 posted on 08/02/2006 12:47:17 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: GodfearingTexan

BTW, WWLS reports that Bomar declared $18K income on last year's tax return.

The host, James Hale, nearly had a stroke..."That's more than I make!"

Not bad, for 5hrs/wk (and not even showing up for that).


29 posted on 08/02/2006 12:48:57 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: highimpact
That's OK, we hate OSU and Texas, too!!
30 posted on 08/02/2006 12:49:10 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Condor 63
Agree on the SMU deal. And Oklahoma has been slammed by this "capricious" organization before. Our "punishment" lasted for three years.

It was due to the "excesses" of the Bootlegger's Boy, Barry Switzer---just before he left to become a Dallas Cowboy. Now he wants to be a political pundit--gotta wonder what kind of politicians he supports.
31 posted on 08/02/2006 1:00:04 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: GodfearingTexan

This Longhorn fan is deeply saddened. Stoops did the right thing.


BTW: Is Thompson going to get his job back?


32 posted on 08/02/2006 1:01:13 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: dead

Can a non-scholarship athlete work or receive booster money? I sense that a car dealership in some university town is just going to bypass the whole system and pay a star athlete -- tuition and a salary -- for endorsements.


33 posted on 08/02/2006 1:04:07 PM PDT by AmishDude (The Constitution: It ain't long, it ain't complicated and it don't take a genius to figure it out.)
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To: ContemptofCourt
They are getting paid but not working...booster is paying them off. Can't do that if you are an NCAA athlete.

Makes you wonder how they got caught. There is no way to prove where cash came from, unless it is marked. Possibly one of the athletes was bragging to the wrong person.

Sounds like the Alumni who paid them (off) might not have been smart enough to graduate in the first place.

34 posted on 08/02/2006 1:05:51 PM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: highimpact

I wish Bob was still a Gator!


35 posted on 08/02/2006 1:21:18 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: GodfearingTexan; ABG(anybody but Gore); aft_lizard; Auntbee; daybreakcoming; bamahead; Barney59; ...


College Football Ping.

Freepmail me to be added to this list.


Different source so I will ping this too. This effectively knocks Oklahoma out of the National title race. They will still be very competitive in the Big XII South, but they won't be favored against Texas.

36 posted on 08/02/2006 1:23:01 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MikefromOhio

As a NU fan this is Schadenfreude, except we were planning on pasting them in the Big 12 championship game this year, I guess this puts a rut in it.


37 posted on 08/02/2006 1:50:46 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: aft_lizard

LOL

oh I don't know about that.


38 posted on 08/02/2006 1:51:35 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MikefromOhio

What depth did they have at QB? I dont think AP is enough to carry them there..and there DL isnt that spiffy either...while NU will shock the nation 4 times this year watch it, USC,UT, Big12 Championship and the National CHampionship...ok maybe a little fanboyism from me....


39 posted on 08/02/2006 1:56:00 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: aft_lizard

No I'm saying that Nebraska can't beat Texas anyway, which is who I had coming out of the Big XII South.


40 posted on 08/02/2006 2:09:08 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: commish

hooray, our offensive line didnt need any more bad news.


41 posted on 08/02/2006 2:16:35 PM PDT by CharlieOK1 (you get that thing I sent ya?)
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To: wolfcreek

my dad says the Sports Animal is saying that Kevin Wilson always preferred Paul Thompson anyway.


42 posted on 08/02/2006 2:18:32 PM PDT by CharlieOK1 (you get that thing I sent ya?)
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To: dead
not the kids who put the asses in the seats.

They get a free college education and room and board. Not to mention memories that will last a lifetime but I guess sappy crap like that doesn't matter anymore.
43 posted on 08/02/2006 2:38:43 PM PDT by BJClinton (What happens on Free Republic, stays on Google.)
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To: dead

Actually, the Athletes can work, they just have to do it on the up and up, which Bomar didn't do. I hope the booster gets banned from the campus as well.


44 posted on 08/02/2006 6:23:06 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Terabitten

I don't disagree with this statement. You could call it a "Living Expenses Scholorship". And those students who get drafted into the pros, the team that drafted them should contribute to the scholorship, or better yet, let the boosters contribute to it and that will solve both problems.


45 posted on 08/02/2006 6:25:42 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: WestTexasWend
"Coincidentally, it was also Big Red that let Adrian Peterson buy/return the Lexus, which the NCAA cleared >>>'

Ah, but if you read the article, the NCAA DID NOT clear AP, the Okla Compliance office did.

That fact that AP got a "deal" on Lexus and Bomar and his buds worked and received illegal benefits and the same dealership should send up the RED flags at the NCAA. It should, if the not the NCAA is in worse shape than I thought.

"OU also investigated the employment of football players by the dealership but found no violations"

This is the last line of that article. The same compliance office that cleared Peterson also cleared some players a few months ago. I wonder if the above is in reference to Bomar and his buds?
46 posted on 08/02/2006 10:09:02 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CharlieOK1

Thompson went to HS with my daughters. Even though he plays for OK, I'd like to see him do well. HOOK'UM!!!


47 posted on 08/03/2006 4:06:14 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: IamConservative
Makes you wonder how they got caught.

Evidently, Big Red S&A was recently sold. Prior owners were the ones paying the kid. Speculation is that the new owners reviewed the books and found the "ghost" employee.

48 posted on 08/03/2006 4:12:35 AM PDT by berkeleybeej
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