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Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?
Pennsylvania State University ^ | 03 August 2006 | Barbara Kennedy

Posted on 08/04/2006 4:26:21 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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1 posted on 08/04/2006 4:26:21 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?

The Big Dig?

2 posted on 08/04/2006 4:27:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
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3 posted on 08/04/2006 4:27:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything is blasphemy to someone.)
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To: PatrickHenry

LOL! Well, did time exist? ...and for the umteenth time,
how did something explode from nothing?


4 posted on 08/04/2006 4:29:32 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The Big Cigarette came after.


5 posted on 08/04/2006 4:31:03 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: PatrickHenry
What happened before the Big Bang?

Cosmic foreplay???

6 posted on 08/04/2006 4:32:58 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: PatrickHenry

I fervently believe in the Big Bang theory.

God spoke and BANG, the universe came into existence.


7 posted on 08/04/2006 4:34:03 AM PDT by exit82 (If Democrats can lead, then I'm Chuck Norris.)
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To: sirchtruth
LOL! Well, did time exist? ...and for the umteenth time, how did something explode from nothing

That is my only remaining hold on Religion. That some intelligence got the ball rolling. After that, I do not see it.

8 posted on 08/04/2006 4:34:43 AM PDT by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Vaquero
That is my only remaining hold on Religion. That some intelligence got the ball rolling. After that, I do not see it.

God retired?

9 posted on 08/04/2006 4:37:15 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: sirchtruth
...and for the umteenth time, how did something explode from nothing?

And for the umpteenth time, there was no "explosion." Spacetime expanded rapidly.

Note to lurkers: sirchtruth will be back with his inane question on the next such thread. No matter how many times he's given an answer he isintrinsically unable to actually assimilate any new data and appears to be stuck, educationally, somewhere in grade school.

10 posted on 08/04/2006 4:38:43 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Vaquero
That some intelligence got the ball rolling. After that, I do not see it.

Then you're not looking outside of that little box you've created...

11 posted on 08/04/2006 4:39:21 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: PJ-Comix

"He went out for a beer and never came back" Bingo from.....

"Venus on the Half Shell"


12 posted on 08/04/2006 4:39:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?

Why, the Big Whizz, of course!

13 posted on 08/04/2006 4:40:44 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: PatrickHenry
...before the big bang?

First, the brakes failed...

14 posted on 08/04/2006 4:41:59 AM PDT by SteelCurtain_SSN720 (If you pass the rabid child, say "hammer down" for me)
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To: PatrickHenry

I have difficulty grasping loopy quantum gravity but I do understand God spoke and it stood fast.


15 posted on 08/04/2006 4:44:05 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Junior
Note to lurkers: sirchtruth will be back with his inane question on the next such thread. No matter how many times he's given an answer he isintrinsically unable to actually assimilate any new data and appears to be stuck, educationally, somewhere in grade school.

Didn't Adam Sandler play him in a movie?


16 posted on 08/04/2006 4:44:28 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: sirchtruth

No I crawled out of the little box that the clerics tried to confine me in.. ...You got it backwards.


17 posted on 08/04/2006 4:44:37 AM PDT by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Junior
sirchtruth will be back with his inane question on the next such thread. No matter how many times he's given an answer he isintrinsically unable to actually assimilate any new data and appears to be stuck, educationally, somewhere in grade school.

LOL! Yea, to some elitist, superior intellect I guess my questions are quite "inane," thanks for noticing!

Alex, I'll take wisdom for 500!

18 posted on 08/04/2006 4:45:04 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Junior
...appears to be stuck, educationally, somewhere in grade school.

So, in other words, you prefer your myth better? I guess you were there!

It sure takes a lot of faith, to believe the crap all the "educated" people bring us. At least they keep us talking with their daily revisions.

19 posted on 08/04/2006 4:45:17 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Well, the book does say he created the universe.

Then the Big Bang is described very accurately.

Seems pretty simple to me.


20 posted on 08/04/2006 4:45:54 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Obscure "Jonah Goldberg reference" BTTT


21 posted on 08/04/2006 4:46:30 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Junior

"And for the umpteenth time, there was no "explosion." Spacetime expanded rapidly."

From what?


22 posted on 08/04/2006 4:48:33 AM PDT by John W
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To: Perdogg

Beat me to it.


23 posted on 08/04/2006 4:49:17 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: PatrickHenry

What happened before the Big Bang?

Since the deterioration has already started-

-the answer to question is:

the Islamofascist was seen in the neighborhood...


24 posted on 08/04/2006 4:49:37 AM PDT by LRS
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To: PatrickHenry

http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly041229a.htm


25 posted on 08/04/2006 4:50:49 AM PDT by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: PatrickHenry
What happened before the Big Bang?

"In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..."

Verse memorized in childhood; chapter and verse reference long since forgotten.

26 posted on 08/04/2006 4:51:19 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: BipolarBob

Who was it that said we have three dimensional minds in an eight dimensional world......or something like that?


27 posted on 08/04/2006 4:52:09 AM PDT by Loud Mime ("Countdown": A documentary about Keith Olbermann's dwindling IQ.....)
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To: pageonetoo
Amazing that you use "revisions" as evidence that scientists are idiots.

Such is your non-logic that you get it all backwards.

SEe, making mistakes and LEARNING from them is a sign of intelligence. Sticking to the same tired, old paradigm - in the face of overwhelming evidence - THAT is the realm of zealots and idiots. Kinda like the Muslims ACTUALLY THINK there will be 72 virgins waiting for them....well, that ain't happenin'. Nor will St. Peter meet you at the gates of "heaven". The Great Crow will not swoop down to gather your soul, and the Flying Spagetti Monster (B.H.N.A.) will not envelop your soul in Marinara sauce.

I'm amazed when zealots use "learning" as evidence that their "non-learning" is correct.

28 posted on 08/04/2006 4:53:22 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: Vaquero
No I crawled out of the little box that the clerics tried to confine me in.. ...You got it backwards.

No, you're still in a box, it's just one wrapped with blinding gift paper.

29 posted on 08/04/2006 4:54:48 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I stole that one from Johnny Carson circa 1981.


30 posted on 08/04/2006 4:56:18 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

LOL! That's where I got it, too. RIP, Johnny Carson.


31 posted on 08/04/2006 4:58:53 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Here kids, have a little acedemic BS with your corn flakes.

Ashtekar says, exists another universe with space-time geometry similar to our own, except that instead of expanding, it is shrinking.

but daddy - "how big was the universe and what made it shrink er expand, er?

We don't know kids, but it ought to be worth another $100,000 grant to find out. And isn't that really what research is all about?

32 posted on 08/04/2006 4:58:56 AM PDT by patriot_wes (Law of Unintended Consequences; Infant Baptism = an unbelieving, unsaved church.)
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To: John W
From what?

I can't figure out if it is God that has always existed or space? Considering time/space wasn't even considered a dimension until Einstein, I put God as my first choice. How many dimensions must be out there we don't know about?

33 posted on 08/04/2006 5:00:00 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Vaquero

It's easier than all of that. There was no Big Bang. The Universe has existed forever and will continue to exist forever. It changes and evolves and grows larger structures. Some things get destroyed. Some things get created. But there is no such thing as creation ex-nihilo, it's more like recycling.


34 posted on 08/04/2006 5:04:04 AM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: KeepUSfree
I'm amazed when zealots use "learning" as evidence that their "non-learning" is correct.

You, my friend, are an excellent example to use for the term "zealot".

I'll trust in God, thank you. Logic is good for games and speculation.

I guess the ability to disagree is not within the realm of science... /s

By the way, show me the remains of the "persons" who we replaced a few thousand years ago in the deserts of Africa... I'm sure there are lots of examples of the "morphed" beings, we "evolved" from. After all, "science doesn't make mistakes". They just can't seem to find the right answers.

The fact that man is able to calculate orbits, does not necessarily rule out the existence of God. It just reveals what a good job He did, when He spoke this universe into existence. It expanded really quick, didn't it?

Bang!

"If a tree falls in the forest..."


35 posted on 08/04/2006 5:04:41 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Junior
Spacetime expanded rapidly.

Let me get this right.

Science gives value to theory.

Theory says spacetime expanded rapidly.

Science says things happen with standard deviation, and standard patterns. Example stated deviastes beyond normal expectation.

Theory proves "Science" is easily fooled!

Science is pretty vain, isn't it?

36 posted on 08/04/2006 5:13:41 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: JimRed

I think it is John 1:1


37 posted on 08/04/2006 5:21:27 AM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: PJ-Comix

"God retired?".....I believe the line was : It was a good play, I think I'll do it again sometime.


38 posted on 08/04/2006 5:24:46 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: true_blue_texican
It's easier than all of that. There was no Big Bang.

There was a Big Bang because we can see its remnants. But that doesn't mean it was the Big Bang - the Universe is apparently more vast than we imagined and Big Bangs might be happening all over the place, too far away for us to perceive.

39 posted on 08/04/2006 5:26:13 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: KeepUSfree
in the face of overwhelming evidence

You have overwhelming evidence of what? That the Universe created itself? Seriously, publish it if you've got it.

Some on this thread may not know about the Anthropic Principle - the idea that this Universe appears to have been designed to allow us to exist. Out of all the infinitely variable boundary conditions of the Universe: the Gravitational constant, the relative strength of the Strong and Weak forces, and many others the Universe just *happens* to have, or to embody, the exact set of parameters which make matter, space and life possible.

Change a constant by a few decimal places, and the Universe would consist only of hydrogen, or only of baryons - or it would have lasted only a few millenia before crunching back on itself. The odds of getting even carbon-synthesis to work are extraordinary small, and everything else has to be "just right" as well

The odds are literally infinitesimal that our Universe just happened to get it right. The religious theory that the Universe was designed - and designed for us - is strongly supported by the extraordinary unlikelihood of the Universe being able to support us.

The usual (atheistic) defence against the Anthropic Principle is to take refuge in the tired Star-Trek trope of there being quadrillions of parallel Universes, one of which is ours.

This is unscientific. Any "other" Universe would have to be completely orthogonal to this one, with no interaction of any kind. If a scientist could detect another Universe, he would have - by definition - simply have detected more of 'the' Universe.

Atheists (those who understand the Anthropic Principle anyway) must insist on there being unthinkable infinities of rigidly unknowable Universes in order for us to have become self-selected observers of this one Universe - the one that happens to have the right conditions for life. This "Million Spheres" approach to cosmogeny is literally unprovable, and therefore unscientific.

40 posted on 08/04/2006 5:34:38 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
What you said! Bump!

I just love science. It gives me something tanglible to explain some of those things around me that I don't understand.

I have a whole lot of questions for God. He's got the time to answer them...

41 posted on 08/04/2006 5:38:43 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Junior

All that now exists bursts from the singularity in a nano second and that wasn't an explosion? What was all of the light and heat and matter flying through space,old Jack Benny jokes?


42 posted on 08/04/2006 5:43:38 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: exit82
I fervently believe in the Big Bang theory.

God spoke and BANG, the universe came into existence.

I like it!

43 posted on 08/04/2006 5:45:37 AM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: PatrickHenry

A bit of foreplay, I'd imagine.


44 posted on 08/04/2006 5:46:13 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: em2vn
All that now exists bursts from the singularity in a nano second and that wasn't an explosion? What was all of the light and heat and matter flying through space,

All that light and heat and matter weren't flying through anything. The Big Bang was an explosion OF space, not of things in space. ANd the universe is still expanding from the Big Bang. Things are getting farther apart, but not from moving through space. More space is coming into existence between things.

45 posted on 08/04/2006 6:05:23 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: PatrickHenry

The Big Match lit the Big Fuse?


46 posted on 08/04/2006 6:07:39 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: PatrickHenry
101° Rx = + /_\
47 posted on 08/04/2006 6:19:37 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: JimRed

John 1:1


48 posted on 08/04/2006 6:21:05 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: airborne

Yes, it's an old joke. I like it too.I use it on humans who think they know how the universe began without God's help. It either cracks them up or they become very quiet.


49 posted on 08/04/2006 6:44:48 AM PDT by exit82 (If Democrats can lead, then I'm Chuck Norris.)
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To: Junior
there was no "explosion." Spacetime expanded rapidly.

What's the definition of "explosion?" If you slow down an explosion, what is actually occurring? Rapid expansion?

50 posted on 08/04/2006 6:50:35 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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