Posted on 08/08/2006 10:18:00 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part III)
[Note: This is the third part in the list of ways in which neo-Darwinist critics are helping to promote the theory of intelligent design.]
SEE HERE FOR PART 1:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1677236/posts
HERE FOR PART 2 :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1679245/posts
#8 By separating origins of life science from evolutionary explanations. Nature is too complex to be encompassed in any one field. That is why its necessary for scientific disciplines (physics, biology, chemistry) to be broken down into sub-disciplines (cosmology, zoology, biochemistry, etc.). But while most scientists may not have no problems thinking in unconnected categories, the average person expects the various parts to be stitched back into a seamless whole.
That is why when looking for an explanation for the origins of mankind, most people naturally start at the beginning. The neo-Darwinists, on the other hand, prefer to jump ahead to the middle and begin the argument with specifies evolve. If you ask them how life (a necessary feature for any evolving species) began in the first place they will claim that the issue is outside the theory.
Perhaps. But since naturalistic theories rise or fall based on the plausibility of this issue, it would probably be a good idea to make sure that this one is nailed down.
Unfortunately for these advocates, modern science doesnt have a clue how DNA, much less a living organism, could have been produced from non-living matter. If you ask most anti-ID critics about abiogenesis they will either be under the (false) impression that this problem has already been solved or will claim that it is only a matter of time before the process is understood. (See #3)
Some scientists, such as Nobel-prize winner Francis Crick, have at least attempted to come up with an alternative explanation. Crick, realizing the impossibility of abiogenesis occurring on earth, published a paper in which he suggested that life on earth was seeded from another planet. (Thats something to keep in mind the next time someone mentions that real science (as opposed to something like ID theory) is submitted through peer-reviewed science journals.)
An adequate theory of speciation must begin at the beginning. Before there can be species there must first be living organisms. How did these organisms evolve from inanimate matter? No one knows. But until the theory can be rooted in a firm explanation for how this occurs, explanations for an intelligent designer will appear quite plausible.
#9 By resorting to ad hominems instead of arguments (e.g., claiming that advocates of ID are ignorant). -- About a year ago I had an email discussion about evolution and Intelligent Design theory with the Hugo-nominated sci-fi novelist John Scalzi. The debate quickly degenerated when he resorted to claiming, the science is there for one and not for the other. By all means enjoy your ignorance, but don't expect me to treat it or you very seriously.
I suspect that if you gave Mr. Scalzi a test on the basic terms, concepts, and theories surrounding evolutionary biology, that he would fare no better than I would. (And I can almost guarantee that if you gave him a test on the basic terms, concepts, and theories of ID that he would flunk completely, for the reasons outlined in #1.) So why is it that Mr. Scalzi, thinks his position is superior?
I dont know, and for the purposes of this post, a psychoanalytical analyis of his reasons isn't necessary. What is important is not the motive but the dismissive attitude toward anyone who holds an opinion that differs from what is considered acceptable scientific dogma.
On occasion Ive been known to gently mock those with whom I disagree (except for Dawkins and Peter Singer, who I despise). But to dismiss them entirely, even when, like Mr. Scalzi, they hold anti-rational opinions, would stifle genuine debate.
Perhaps I am too much a child of the Enlightenment for, like Voltaire and his fellow deists, I believe that the light of reason illuminates the obvious, namely that our intellects are not formed by a crude, blind, insensible being. Perhaps I just have too much faith in science which causes me to reject the science-fiction that neo-Darwinists explanations are sufficient. Or maybe I just assume that people who resort to ad hominems have run out of arguments.
#10 By not being able to believe their own theory. -- Say what you will about advocates of ID, they actually believe in the basic claims of their theory. Not so, with neo-Darwinists.
For example, philosopher of science David Stove notes that ultra-Darwinists assert that while man was once trapped in the struggle to survive and pass on our genes, we no longer are trapped in the spiral of natural selection. Stove calls this the Cave Man attempt to solve Darwinisms Dilemma:
If Darwins theory of evolution is true, no species can ever escape from the process of natural selection. His theory is that two universal and permanent tendencies of all species of organismsthe tendency to increase in numbers up to the limit that the food supply allows, and the tendency to vary in a heritable wayare together sufficient to bring about in any species universal and permanent competition for survival, and therefore universal and permanent natural selection among the competitors. Natural selection, which is a universal generalization about all terrestrial species at any time cant just be true sometimes: If the theory says something which is not true now of our species (or another), then it is not truefinish. Not only is this not true of our species now, it could never have been true: Do you know of even one human being who ever had as many descendants as he or she could have had? And yet Darwinism says that every single one of us does. For there can clearly be no question of Darwinism making an exception of man, without openly contradicting itself. Every single organic being, or each organic being: this means you. Those whose ideas about evolution are derived from Internet-debates or reading books by Richard Dawkins will quickly dismiss Stoves claims an dismiss it as a strawman. The problem is that this is Darwinism. It is the heart of the theory, which is why not one recognizes it which is why few critically thinking people actually believe it.
In fact, if you took what most lay advocates of neo-Darwinians believe about the theory and compared it to what evolutionary biologists actually say, you would likely find a vast, unbridgeable chasm. Most educated people nowadays, I believe, think of themselves as Darwinians, wrote Stove. If they do, however, it can only be from ignorance: from not knowing enough about what Darwinism says. For Darwinism says many things, especially about our species, which are too obviously false to be believed by any educated person; or at least by an educated person who retains any capacity at all for critical thought on the subject of Darwinism.
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Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection does not encompass the orgin of life itself - his book title is "Origin of Species," not "Origin of Life."
The simplest and smallest life-form known has the equivalent of 640 kilobytes of data encoded in its DNA.
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Pointless. I have made my thoughts clear on the prior threads. I shant be wasting my time on this obvious bait.
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I don't think it's gonna happen ... the first thread had 400+ responses, the 2nd one only 17. This one may not even get to that number.
I will say, though, that the author's listing of ad hominem attacks as a way darwinists help id is equally true in reverse.
I believe you'll need to look elsewhere today to satisfy your persecution complex.
"I will say, though, that the author's listing of ad hominem attacks as a way darwinists help id is equally true in reverse.:
Agreed.
> ...standing by, waiting for the attacks to begin.......
Better not to wait around - take your shot and let the proud, ignorant and smelly apes enjoy each other's company.
LOL. Thanks for validating my comment that the anti-evos are just as likely to go ad hominem as are the evos.
Too funny.
What is the scientific statement of Intelligent Design? Which predictions of this theory have been confirmed by real-world observations? What hypothetical observations does this theory rule out?
When you talk about Predictions, you talk about Testability. George Will asked the same question of William Dembski, who replied thusly ...
What a marvelous cut and paste, moreso in that it exactly failed to address my three questions. I wasn't asking about the general principles of testing a theory, I asked for something concrete.
1) State the theory of ID.
2) Provide an example of an observation that has confirmed ID.
3) Provide an example of an observation that is impossible, should ID be true.
Your reply to George Will is esoteric fluff, and there is plenty wrong with it in it's own right. The larger point that you inadvertently illustrate is the lack of specificity with respect to what ID actually IS. Why do I get the impression that ID is much more comfortable as a vague idea than a rigorous scientific endeavor?
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