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This is not the first time this subject was brought up on FR!!

Belief in Evolution drove Hitler to what the Nazi's did!!
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Belief in Evolution made Hitler do what he did
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Belief in Evolution drove Hitler to what the Nazi's did!!

Culture/Society Editorial Opinion (Published) Keywords: CREATION EVOLUTION NAZI HITLER
Source: Answers In Genesis
Published: First published in: Creation Ex Nihilo TechnicalJournal 13(2):101–111, 1999 Author: Jerry Bergman
Posted on 11/20/1999 07:54:42 PST by RaceBannon
Darwinism and the Nazi race Holocaust

by Jerry Bergman

First published in: Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal 13(2):101–111, 1999

Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’.

Introduction
Of the many factors that produced the Nazi holocaust and World War II, one of the most important was Darwin’s notion that evolutionary progress occurs mainly as a result of the elimination of the weak in the struggle for survival. Although it is no easy task to assess the conflicting motives of Hitler and his supporters, Darwinism-inspired eugenics clearly played a critical role. Darwinism justified and encouraged the Nazi views on both race and war. If the Nazi party had fully embraced and consistently acted on the belief that all humans were descendants of Adam and Eve and equal before the creator God, as taught in both the Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures, the holocaust would never have occurred.

Expunging of the Judeo-Christian doctrine of the divine origin of humans from mainline German (liberal) theology and its schools, and replacing it with Darwinism, openly contributed to the acceptance of Social Darwinism that culminated in the tragedy of the holocaust.1 Darwin’s theory, as modified by Haeckel,2,3,4,5,6 Chamberlain7 and others, clearly contributed to the death of over nine million people in concentration camps, and about 40 million other humans in a war that cost about six trillion dollars. Furthermore, the primary reason that Nazism reached to the extent of the holocaust was the widespread acceptance of Social Darwinism by the scientific and academic community.1,8,9,10

The very heart of Darwinism is the belief that evolution proceeds by the differential survival of the fittest or superior individuals. This requires differences among a species, which in time become great enough so that those individuals that possess advantageous features — the fittest — are more apt to survive. Although the process of raciation may begin with slight differences, differential survival rates in time produce distinct races by a process called speciation, meaning the development of a new species.

The egalitarian ideal that ‘all people are created equal’, which now dominates Western ideology, has not been universal among nations and cultures.11 A major force that has argued against this view was the Social Darwinian eugenics movement, especially its crude ‘survival of the fittest’ worldview.10,12 As Ludmerer noted, the idea that the hereditary quality of the race can be improved by selective breeding is as old as Plato’s Republic but:
‘ … modern eugenics thought arose only in the nineteenth century. The emergence of interest in eugenics during that century had multiple roots. The most important was the theory of evolution, for Francis Galton’s ideas on eugenics — and it was he who created the term “eugenics” — were a direct logical outgrowth of the scientific doctrine elaborated by his cousin, Charles Darwin.’ 13

Nazi governmental policy was openly influenced by Darwinism, the Zeitgeist of both science and educated society of the time.10 This can be evaluated by an examination of extant documents, writings, and artefacts produced by Germany’s twentieth century Nazi movement and its many scientist supporters. Keith concluded the Nazi treatment of Jews and other ‘races’, then believed ‘inferior’, was largely a result of their belief that Darwinism provided profound insight that could be used to significantly improve humankind.14 Tenenbaum noted that the political philosophy of Germany was built on the belief that critical for evolutionary progress were:
‘ … struggle, selection, and survival of the fittest, all notions and observations arrived at … by Darwin … but already in luxuriant bud in the German social philosophy of the nineteenth century. … Thus developed the doctrine of Germany’s inherent right to rule the world on the basis of superior strength … [of a] “hammer and anvil” relationship between the Reich and the weaker nations.’ 14

The importance of race in Darwinism

The theory of evolution is based on individuals acquiring unique traits that enable those possessing the new traits to better survive adverse conditions compared to those who don’t possess them. Superior individuals will be more likely to survive and pass on these traits to their offspring so such traits will increase in number, while the ‘weaker’ individuals will eventually die off. If every member of a species were fully equal, natural selection would have nothing to select from, and evolution would cease for that species.

These differences gradually produce new groups, some of which have an advantage in terms of survival. These new groups became the superior, or the more evolved races. When a trait eventually spreads throughout the entire race because of the survival advantage it confers on those that possess it, a higher, more evolved form of animal will result. Hitler and the Nazi party claimed that one of their major goals was to apply this accepted ‘science’ to society. And ‘the core idea of Darwinism was not evolution, but selection. Evolution … describes the results of selection’.16 Hitler stressed that to produce a better society ‘we [the Nazis] must understand, and cooperate with science’.

As the one race above all others, Aryans believed that their evolutionary superiority gave them not only the right, but the duty to subjugate all other peoples. Race was a major plank of the Nazi philosophy; Tenenbaum concluded that they incorporated Darwinism:
‘ … in their political system, with nothing left out …. Their political dictionary was replete with words like space, struggle, selection, and extinction (Ausmerzen). The syllogism of their logic was clearly stated: The world is a jungle in which different nations struggle for space. The stronger win, the weaker die or are killed ….’ 17

In the 1933 Nuremberg party rally, Hitler proclaimed that ‘higher race subjects to itself a lower race …a right which we see in nature and which can be regarded as the sole conceivable right,’ because it was founded on science.15

Hitler believed humans were animals to whom the genetics laws, learned from livestock breeding, could be applied. The Nazis believed that instead of permitting natural forces and chance to control evolution, they must direct the process to advance the human race. The first step to achieve this goal was to isolate the ‘inferior races’ in order to prevent them from further contaminating the ‘Aryan’ gene pool. The widespread public support for this policy was a result of the belief, common in the educated classes, in the conclusion that certain races were genetically inferior as was scientifically ‘proven’ by Darwinism. The Nazis believed that they were simply applying facts, proven by science, to produce a superior race of humans as part of their plan for a better world: ‘The business of the corporate state was eugenics or artificial selection — politics as applied biology.’ 18,19

As early as 1925, Hitler outlined his conclusion in Chapter 4 of Mein Kampf that Darwinism was the only basis for a successful Germany and which the title of his most famous work — in English My Struggle — alluded to. As Clark concluded, Adolf Hitler:
‘ …was captivated by evolutionary teaching — probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas — quite undisguised — lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf -and in his public speeches …. Hitler reasoned … that a higher race would always conquer a lower.’20

And Hickman adds that it is no coincidence that Hitler:
‘ … was a firm believer and preacher of evolution. Whatever the deeper, profound, complexities of his psychosis, it is certain that [the concept of struggle was important because] … his book, Mein Kampf, clearly set forth a number of evolutionary ideas, particularly those emphasizing struggle, survival of the fittest and the extermination of the weak to produce a better society.’ 21

Furthermore, the belief that evolution can be directed by scientists to produce a ‘superior race’ was the central leitmotif of Nazism and many other sources existed from which Nazism drew:
‘ … its ideological fire-water. But in that concatenation of ideas and nightmares which made up the … social policies of the Nazi state, and to a considerable extent its military and diplomatic policies as well, can be most clearly comprehended in the light of its vast racial program.’ 22

The Nazi view on Darwinian evolution and race was consequently a major part of the fatal combination of ideas and events which produced the holocaust and World War II:
‘One of the central planks in Nazi theory and doctrine was …evolutionary theory [and] … that all biology had evolved … upward, and that … less evolved types … should be actively eradicated [and] … that natural selection could and should be actively aided, and therefore [the Nazis] instituted political measures to eradicate … Jews, and … blacks, whom they considered as “underdeveloped”.’ 23

Terms such as ‘superior race’, ‘lower human types’, ‘pollution of the race’, and the word evolution itself (Entwicklung) were often used by Hitler and other Nazi leaders. His race views were not from fringe science as often claimed but rather Hitler’s views were:
‘ … straightforward German social Darwinism of a type widely known and accepted throughout Germany and which, more importantly, was considered by most Germans, scientists included, to be scientifically true. More recent scholarship on national socialism and Hitler has begun to realize that … [their application of Darwin’s theory] was the specific characteristic of Nazism. National socialist “biopolicy,” … [was] a policy based on a mystical-biological belief in radical inequality, a monistic, antitranscendent moral nihilism based on the eternal struggle for existence and the survival of the fittest as the law of nature, and the consequent use of state power for a public policy of natural selection….’ 24

The philosophy that humans can control and even use Darwinism to produce a ‘higher level’ of human is repeatedly mentioned in the writings and speeches of prominent Nazis.25 Accomplishing the Darwinian goal for the world required ruthlessly eliminating the less fit by open barbarian behavior:
‘The basic outline of German social Darwinism [was] … man was merely a part of nature with no special transcendent qualities or special humanness. On the other hand, the Germans were members of a biologically superior community … politics was merely the straightforward application of the laws of biology. In essence, Haeckel and his fellow social Darwinists advanced the ideas that were to become the core assumptions of national socialism …. The business of the corporate state was eugenics or artificial selection ….’ 18

Hitler once even stated that we Nazis ‘ … are barbarians! We want to be barbarians. It is an honorable title [for, by it,] we shall rejuvenate the world ….’26 Hitler, as an evolutionist, ‘consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution’.27 Keith adds that:
‘If war be the progeny of evolution — and I am convinced that it is — then evolution has “gone mad”, reaching such a height of ferocity as must frustrate its proper role in the world of life — which is the advancement of her competing “units”, these being tribes, nations, or races of mankind. There is no way of getting rid of war save one, and that is to rid human nature of the sanctions imposed on it by the law of evolution. Can man … render the law of evolution null and void? … I have discovered no way that is at once possible and practicable. “There is no escape from human nature.” Because Germany has drunk the vat of evolution to its last dregs, and in her evolutionary debauch has plunged Europe into a bath of blood, that is no proof that the law of evolution is evil. A law which brought man out of the jungle and made him king of beasts cannot be altogether bad.’ 28

Jews in Germany and Darwinism

The German eugenic leadership was originally less anti-Semitic than even the British leadership. Most early German eugenicists believed that German Jews were Aryans, and consequently the eugenicist movement was supported by many Jewish professors and doctors both in Germany and abroad. The Jews were only slowly incorporated into the German eugenic theory and then laws.

The Darwinian racists’ views also slowly entered into many spheres of German society which they had previously not affected.9 The Pan German League, dedicated to ‘maintaining German Racial Purity’, was originally not overtly anti-Semitic and assimilated Jews were allowed full membership. Many German eugenicists believed that although blacks or Gypsies were racially inferior, their racial theories did not fit Jews since many Jews had achieved significant success in Germany. Schleunes adds that by 1903, the influence of race ideas permeated the League’s program to the degree that by 1912, the League declared itself based upon ‘racial principles’ and soon excluded Jews from membership.29

In spite of the scientific prominence of these racial views, they had a limited effect upon most Jews until the 1930s. Most German Jews were proud of being Germans and considered themselves Germans first and Jews second. Many Jews modified the German intelligentsia’s racial views by including themselves in it. Their assimilation into German life was to the extent that most felt its anti-Semitism did not represent a serious threat to their security. Most Jews also were convinced that Germany was now a safe harbour for them.30 Many still firmly held to the Genesis creation model and rejected the views upon which racism was based, including Darwinism. What happened in Germany later was obviously not well received by Jewish geneticists, even Jewish eugenicists and certain other groups:

‘The eugenics movement felt a mixture of apprehension and admiration at the progress of eugenics in Germany … but the actual details of the eugenics measures which emerged after Hitler’s rise to power were not unequivocally welcomed. Eugenicists pointed to the USA as a place where strict laws controlled marriage but where a strong tradition of political freedom existed.’ 31
Hitler’s eugenic goals

Nazi policies resulted less from a ‘hatred’ toward Jewish or other peoples than from the idealistic goal of preventing ‘pollution’ of the superior race. Hitler elaborated his Darwinian views by comparing the strong killing the weak to a cat devouring a mouse, concluding that ultimately the Jews must be eliminated because they cause:
‘ … peoples to decay …. In the long run nature eliminates the noxious elements. One may be repelled by this law of nature which demands that all living things should mutually devour one another. The fly is snapped up by a dragon-fly, which itself is swallowed by a bird, which itself falls victim to a larger bird … to know the laws of nature … enables us to obey them.’ 32

Hitler then argued that for this reason, governments must understand and apply the ‘laws of Nature’, especially the ‘survival of the fittest’ law which ‘originally produced the human races and is the source of their improvement’. The government must therefore aid in the elimination, or at least quarantine, of the inferior races. Hitler argued:
‘If I can accept a divine Commandment, it’s this one: “Thou shalt preserve the species.” The life of the individual must not be set at too high a price. If the individual were important in the eyes of nature, nature would take care to preserve him. Amongst the millions of eggs a fly lays, very few are hatched out — and yet the race of flies thrives.’ 33

Hitler was especially determined to prevent Aryans from breeding with non-Aryans, a concern that eventually resulted in the ‘final solution’. Once the inferior races were exterminated, Hitler believed that future generations would be eternally grateful for the improvement that his programs brought to humanity:
‘The Germans were the higher race, destined for a glorious evolutionary future. For this reason it was essential that the Jews should be segregated, otherwise mixed marriages would take place. Were this to happen, all nature’s efforts “to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being may thus be rendered futile” (Mein Kampf).’ 20

Individuals are not only far less important than the race, but the Nazis concluded that certain races were not human, but were animals:
‘The Jews, labelled subhumans, became nonbeings. It was both legal and right to exterminate them in the collectivist and evolutionist viewpoint. They were not considered … persons in the sight of the German government.’ 34

As a result, the Darwinist movement was ‘one of the most powerful forces in the nineteenth–twentieth centuries German intellectual history [and] may be fully understood as a prelude to the doctrine of national socialism [Nazism]’.35 Why did evolution catch hold in Germany faster, and take a firmer hold there than any other place in the world?

Evolution used to justify existing German racism

Schleunes noted, rather poignantly, that the reason the publication of Darwin’s 1859 work had an immediate impact in Germany, and their Jewish policy, was because:
‘Darwin’s notion of struggle for survival … legitimized by the latest scientific views, justified the racists’ conception of superior and inferior peoples and nations and validated the conflict between them.’ 36

The Darwinian revolution and the works of its chief German spokesman and most eminent scientist, Professor Haeckel, gave the racists something that they were confident was powerful verification of their race beliefs.37 The support of the science establishment resulted in racist thought having a much wider circulation than otherwise possible, and enormous satisfaction ‘that one’s prejudices were actually expressions of scientific truth’.36

And what greater authority than science could racists have for their views? Konrad Lorenz, one of the most eminent animal-behavior scientists then, and often credited as being the founder of his field, stated that:
‘Just as in cancer the best treatment is to eradicate the parasitic growth as quickly as possible, the eugenic defense against the dysgenic social effects of afflicted subpopulations is of necessity limited to equally drastic measures …. When these inferior elements are not effectively eliminated from a [healthy] population, then — just as when the cells of a malignant tumor are allowed to proliferate throughout the human body — they destroy the host body as well as themselves.’ 38

Lorenz’s works were important in developing the Nazi program designed to eradicate the ‘parasitic growth’ of inferior races. The government’s programs to insure the ‘German Volk’ maintained their superiority made racism almost unassailable. Although King claimed that ‘the holocaust … pretended to have a scientific genetic basis’,39 the position of the government and university elite of the time was so entrenched that few contemporary scientists seriously questioned it. The anti-Semitic attitudes of the German people were only partly to blame in causing the holocaust — only when Darwinism was added to the preexisting attitudes did a lethal combination result.

Eugenics becomes more extreme

The first step in an eugenic program was to determine which groups were genetically superior; a judgment that was heavily influenced by culture. The ideal traits were:
‘ … a human type whose appearance had been described by the race theorist Hans F.K. Günther as “blond, tall, long-skulled, with narrow faces, pronounced chins, narrow noses with a high bridge, soft hair, widely spaced pale-coloured eyes, pinky-white skin colour”‘. 40

Although superficial observations enable most people to make a broad classification of race, when explored in depth, race status is by no means easy to determine, as the Nazis soon found out. Many of the groups that they felt were inferior, such as the Slovaks, Jews, Gypsies, and others, were not easily distinguishable from the pure ‘Aryan’ race. In grouping persons into races to select the ‘best’, the Nazis measured a wide variety of physical traits including brain case sizes. The Nazis relied heavily upon the work of Hans F.K. Günther, professor of ‘racial science’ at the University of Jena. Although Günther’s ‘personal relationships with the party were stormy at times, his racial ideas were accepted’. They received wide support throughout the German government, and were an important influence in German policy.41 Günther recognized that, although ‘a race may not be pure, its members share certain dominant characteristics’, thus paving the way for stereotyping.41

Günther concluded that all Aryans share an ideal Nordic type which contrasted with the Jews, whom he concluded were a mixture of races. Günther stressed a person’s genealogical lineage, anthropological measurement of skulls and evaluations of physical appearance, were all used to determine their race. Even though physical appearance was stressed, ‘the body is the showplace of the soul’ and ‘the soul is primary’.42 Select females with the necessary superior race traits were even placed in special homes and kept pregnant as long as they remained in the program. Nonetheless, research on the offspring of the experiment concluded that, as is now known, IQ regressed toward the population mean and the IQs of the offspring were generally lower than that of the parents.

The bad blood theory

Darwinism not only influenced the Nazi attitude toward Jews, but other cultural and ethnic groups as well. Even mental patients were included later, in part because it was then believed that heredity had a major influence on mental illness (or they possibly had some Jewish or other non-Aryan blood in them), and consequently had to be destroyed. Poliakov notes that many intellectuals in the early 1900s accepted telegony, the idea that ‘bad blood’ would contaminate a race line forever, or that ‘bad blood drives out good, just as bad money displaces good money’.43 Only extermination would permanently eliminate inferior genetic lines, and thereby further evolution.

Darwin even compiled a long list of cases where he concluded bad blood polluted a whole gene line, causing it to bear impure progeny forever. Numerous respected biologists, including Ernst Ruedin of the University of Munich and many of his colleagues such as Herbert Spencer, Francis Galton, and Eugene Kahn, later a professor of psychiatry at Yale, actively advocated this hereditary argument. These scientists were also the chief architects of the German compulsory sterilization laws designed to prevent those with defective or ‘inferior’ genes from contaminating the Aryan gene pool. Later, when the ‘genetically inferior’ were also judged as ‘useless dredges’, massive killings became justified. The groups judged inferior were gradually expanded to include a wide variety of races and national groups. Later, it even included less healthy older people, epileptics, both severe and mild mental defectives, deaf-mutes, and even some persons with certain terminal illnesses.1,44

The groups judged ‘inferior’ were later expanded to include persons who had negroid or mongoloid features, Gypsies, and those who did not pass a set of ingeniously designed overtly racist phrenology tests now known to be worthless.45 After Jesse Owen won four gold medals at the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games, Hitler chastised the Americans for even permitting blacks to enter the contests.46

Some evolutionists even advocated the view that women were evolutionarily inferior to men. Dr Robert Wartenberg, later a prominent neurology professor in California, tried to prove women’s inferiority by arguing that they could not survive unless they were ‘protected by men’. He concluded that because the weaker women were not eliminated as rapidly due to this protection, a slower rate of evolution resulted and for this reason natural selection was less operative on women than men. How the weak were to be ‘selected’ for elimination was not clear, nor were the criteria used to determine ‘weak’. Women in Nazi Germany were openly prohibited from entering certain professions and were required by law to conform to a traditional female role.47

Evolution and war in Nazi Germany

Darwinism not only offered the Germans a meaningful interpretation of their recent military past, but also a justification for future aggression: ‘German military success in the Bismarkian wars fit neatly into Darwin categories … in the struggle for survival, [demonstrating] the fitness of Germany.’48 War was a positive force not only because it eliminated ‘weaker’ races, but also because it weeded out the weaker members of the ‘superior’ races. Hitler not only unabashedly intended to produce a superior race, but he openly relied heavily upon Darwinian thought in both his extermination and war policies.25 Nazi Germany, partly for this reason, openly glorified war because it was an important means of eliminating the less fit of the highest race, a step necessary to ‘upgrade the race’. Clark concludes, quoting extensively from Mein Kampf, that:
‘Hitler’s attitude to the League of Nations and to peace and war were based upon the same principles. “A world court … would be a joke … the whole world of Nature is a mighty struggle between strength and weakness — an eternal victory of the strong over the weak. There would be nothing but decay in the whole of nature if this were not so. States which [violate] … this elementary law would fall into decay. … He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in this world where permanent struggle is the law of life, has not the right to exist.” To think otherwise is to “insult” nature. “Distress, misery and disease are her rejoinders”.’ 49

German greatness, Hitler stressed, came about primarily because they were jingoists, and thereby had been eliminating their weaker members for centuries.50 Although Germans were no stranger to war, this new justification gave powerful support to their policies. The view that eradication of the weaker races was a major source of evolution was well expressed by Wiggam:
‘ … at one time man had scarcely more brains than his anthropoid cousins, the apes. But, by kicking, biting, fighting … and outwitting his enemies and by the fact that the ones who had not sense and strength enough to do this were killed off, man’s brain became enormous and he waxed both in wisdom and agility if not in size ….’ 51

In other words, war is positive in the long run because only by lethal conflicts can humans evolve. Hitler even claimed as truth the contradiction that human civilization as we know it would not exist if it were not for constant war. And many of the leading scientists of his day openly advocated this view: Haeckel was especially fond of praising the ancient Spartans, whom he saw as a successful and superior people as a consequence of their socially approved biological selection. By killing all but the ‘perfectly healthy and strong children’ the Spartans were ‘continually in excellent strength and vigor’.52 Germany should follow this Spartan custom, as infanticide of the deformed and sickly was ‘a practice of advantage to both the infants destroyed and to the community’. It was, after all, only ‘traditional dogma’ and hardly scientific truth that all lives were of equal worth or should be preserved.18,53

However, the common assumption that European civilization evolved far more than others, primarily because of its constant warmongering in contrast to other nations, is false. War is actually typical of virtually all peoples, except certain small island groups who have abundant food, or peoples in very cold areas.54 Historically, many tribes in Africa were continually involved in wars, as were most countries in Asia and America.

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Charles Darwin should share with Hitler the blame for the 11 million or more lives lost in the Holocaust, a new television special explains.

My gawd, this is so stupid, it makes my head hurt. Hitler was pure evil looking for justification. The evil came first and foremost. Blaming evolution for the Holocaust is the opposite of the Twinkie defense.

This is a stupid post. So I am not supposed to believe in evolution because Hitler did??!! Pull this drivel. Someone has way too much time on their hands to write this nonsense.

I kind of agree with you, however, if you believe we are simply animals, simply the product of random mutations, it is not a far leap to believe that we might purge our species of undesirable genes, either by outright killing those we deem unsuitable, or making sure they cannot procreate.
susie

Oh, for pete's sake!

First, it shows you didnt read the article or go to the links by your comments.

Ideas have consequences. Hitler's ideas were based on a superior race, and Evolution was certainly a factor in that.

Once again, you didnt even read the whole article to sat what you did.

Ideas have consequences. Evolution supported ALL of Hitler's racial ideas, and that CANNOT be refuted.

Evolution says nothing about "superior races." One has to have a warped misinterpretation of it to believe that.

Next time, read the article and comment on what was said.

That is how you refutte something.

At first I thought I'd post a riposte, but this drivel does not deserve even that much recognition.

Whose "law" is it that the first one to bring Nazis or Hitler into an argument has lost?

For any puzzled lurkers: check the poster's history.

"This show basically is about the social effects of Darwinism, and shows this idea, which is scientifically bankrupt, has probably been responsible for more bloodshed than anything else in the history of humanity," Jerry Newcomb, one of two co-producers, told WorldNetDaily.

Actually, this dubious honor belongs to the militant secularism - the atheists killed many more after Communist takeovers.

Evolution says SURVIVASL of the FITTEST, and that means superior, does it not?

Even famous evolutionist Henry Fairfield Osbourne said that black adult males had the brains of 12 year old white males and that defended his racist views.

You must not be up on just what evolution means.

This is not the first time this subject was brought up on FR!!

:-)

Anyway, the book.

This may well be the most ignorant commentary I have ever seen about Darwinism and about the views of Charles Darwin himself.

The author is fortunate that one cannot libel the dead-- otherwise Darwin would have quite a lawsuit against him.

"Next time, read the article and comment on what was said.

That is how you refutte something.
"

I did read the article, hence my response. I wouldn't take the time to discuss this idiotic film in any detail. I notice that it's going to be shown on the "Coral Ridge Hour." That's a small enough demographic to ignore completely, which is my advice here about the film in general.

However, to satisfy your interest:

The fact that Hitler wrongly applied evolutionary theory to social structures is irrelevant to the Theory of Evolution, which discusses social structures not at all.

The entire argument is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Charles Darwin should share with Hitler the blame for the 11 million or more lives lost in the Holocaust, a new television special explains. And, the program says, the more than 45 million American lives lost to abortion also can be blamed on that famous founder of evolutionary theory.

We're having a cloudy day here in Kansas City. Can I blame that on Hitler and Darwin, too?

What a load of utter garbage.

Just another ideological attack on science. The theory of evolution is about genetic changes over time through natural selection, it does not advocate mass murder.

ping for future.

Evolution says SURVIVAL of the FITTEST, and that means superior, does it not?

No, it does not. The evolutionary survival is based on the number of the offspring. So people with PhD having one child on the average are dying out, while if people without high school diploma having three children are taking over.

It is fertility, stupid. Read my tagline.

It was way too hot here yesterday. Now I know why. Darwinddidit. :-)

Evolution says SURVIVASL of the FITTEST, and that means superior, does it not?

First, Darwin did not coin this phrase, and as a matter of fact, hated it.

Second, the phrase, when properly understood, refers to a given environment. What is most fit in one environment can be least fit in another.

Moreover, the idea that most fit refers to a characteristic of brains reflects the biases of the reader. Fitness can be the result of any combination of characteristics that allow an organism to reproduce most successfully in a given environment.

If you connect enough dots no matter how far apart and make tremendous leaps of logic across huge chasms, yeah you can make almost anything seem linear connected.

Six degrees of Kevin Bacon gone wacko

Evolution supported ALL of Hitler's racial ideas, and that CANNOT be refuted.

Evolution happens. Live with it. Hitler is history. Move on. And THINK!

Our Johnny Quest cartoon character appears to be gone from the thread. Oh, well.

Those who dont beleive in evelution support Stalin.

I think the logic is the same as the "if you beleive in evolution you support Hitler"

Just as stupid.

This post was a waste of my time. Who do I see to get it back?

Those who don't believe in evolution support Stalin. I think the logic is the same as the "if you believe in evolution you support Hitler"

Hmm, it is a neat division of people, into Stalin and Hitler supporters. Either you are with us, or against us :)

In my six years on this forum, yours may well be the most stupid post I've ever seen.

" No, it does not. The evolutionary survival is based on the number of the offspring.
...(snip)...
It is fertility, stupid. Read my tagline."

Himmler apparently tried to run his own experiment along that line.
He had his SS trooper kill as many competing animals aspossible and
encouraged his troops to make as many babies as possible. Even with mistresses.

Nicely documented along with lots of wild-and-crazy Nazi ideology in this book:

"The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust"
by Heather Pringle
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0786868864/sr=1-1/qid=1155996581/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5496716-0372965?ie=UTF8&s=books

Hitler was responsible for his own actions.

C.W.

"Himmler apparently tried to run his own experiment along that line.
He had his SS trooper kill as many competing animals aspossible and
encouraged his troops to make as many babies as possible. Even with mistresses.
"

Didn't work, did it? That's the sort of thing that happens when you misapply a scientific theory. The entire premise of this nonsensical article and film is ridiculous.

The Theory of Evolution has to do only with the evolution of new species from other species. To apply it to social structures is patently incorrect.

Yet, this author and filmmaker doesn't even understand that Hitler had nothing whatever to do with the Theory of Evolution. He was simply another megalomaniacal racist creep...one of many who have existed on this planet through history.

He's dead, Jim. He didn't survive. He had nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. Case closed.

Himmler apparently tried to run his own experiment along that line. He had his SS trooper kill as many competing animals aspossible and encouraged his troops to make as many babies as possible. Even with mistresses.

Yes, but it was an artificial and desperate attempt. People with average IQ and of "impure race" breed easily. They do not need any ideology either.

"-- before the advent of Darwinian beliefs, the basic concept was that man was made in the image of God, and was therefore valuable.
But Darwin changed all that. --"

Before the advent of Darwin, our basic concept was:

"-- We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --"

Darwin has not changed all that. - Nor did his theory challenge that.

In fact -- survival of the fit is in a way proved by the death of Hitlers nazi's, by Stalins communists, even by the the deaths of 'Columbine' type whackjobs.
-- The fit survive, the crazies die.

Stalin's Communism is based on evolution.

You misspeak quite so.

If you truly believe in evolution, it would be logical that some races or ethnic groups would be superior to others in certain ways, especially in intelligence. This is particularly so after a million years or so have passed by since man allegedly evolved.

However, a mere belief in superiority of certain groups or races is far different than what Hitler did in advocating murder of allegedly "inferior" types.

Modern chemistry is also to blame, because it would have been impossible to develop Zyklon-B without it.

The invention of the train can also be directly linked to the Holocaust.

So beware those who are trying to push chemistry sets and model trains on your kids. They are pure evil.

Well, Nit, I suggest you humble yourself and read a little

There are two other links that have the entire article, it is only excerted here for space reasons

Also, click on the original link.

You might make yourself smarter to actually know what I'm talking baout instead of supporting the false religion of evolution.

So beware those who are trying to push chemistry sets and model trains on your kids. They are pure evil.

Teach the controversy!

I read it - all of it - before posting. My opinion remains unchanged.

your failure to make the obvious connection between patterns of thought and men's actions is what amazes me how Kevin Bacon fails to fall in your camp.

The ideas of a perfect man, though a superior breed, and the controling of that breeding through Eugenics, ALL BASED ON EVOLUTIONARY THOUGHT, was brought to fruition through Hitler.

Next time, instead of showing your ignorance of the topic presented, read the links provided,and than respond point by point. You only made yourself look like a fool by commenting on a headline.

all 3 links?

I doubt it.

all 3 links? I doubt it.

Doubt whatever you like.

Charles Darwin? Check.
Adolph Hitler? Check.
Holocaust? Check.

World Net Daily? Yes!

>My gawd, this is so stupid, it makes my head hurt.

The evidence that the Third Reich was highly influenced by Darwinism and evolution is overwhelming.

The Lady Macbeth routines on this thread are over done.

Charles Darwin should share with Hitler the blame for the 11 million or more lives lost in the Holocaust,

How can Darwin possibly share the blame for 11 million deaths done by someone who lived 100 years later.

That's like blaming the first Catholic Pope for the Inquisition that happened hundreds of years later or maybe white people today should pay for reparations from what white people did 150 years ago?

Same logic applies

I agree that the evolutionary principles drove Hitler evil mind to slaughter millions of people, but Hitler is responsible for his own actions.

So I take it your next post will be in support of reparations?

So what?

I have plenty of proof Jim Jones was a Chrisitian.

Guilt by association is a poor, poor substitute for data, argumentation and logic.

However, a mere belief in superiority of certain groups or races is far different than what Hitler did in advocating murder of allegedly "inferior" types.

And to be precise, the Nazi concept of racial superiority was not based in intelligence. Nazis believed that the superior races are those who have instinct for collective cooperation and civilization building. It was enough if the leaders were very smart.

They believed that pure blooded Indo-Europeans created civilizations which declined as they mixed with inferior races (like ancient Greeks or Romans).

They believed that the races of second rank were those who were capable of mere maintaining of already received civilization. There were fit to be subjects to the master race.

The third rank were those who were not fit for civilized life and who should have been left alone in their tribal way of life.

Then there were smart but parasitic races which should have been isolated or eliminated.

National Socialism was seeing the mankind as species to be bred like farm animals.

That is the reductio ad hitleram, a fallacy, to give it a formal name.