Skip to comments.Does enough evidence remain to ID Karr?
Posted on 08/20/2006 4:36:19 PM PDT by apackof2
BOULDER, Colo. -- The most important evidence amounts to this: DNA taken from two blood stains, hair and fibers taken from the body, half a footprint and two partial palm prints.
What it boils down to is this: It is infinitely easier to prove itinerant teacher John Mark Karr did not kill JonBenet Ramsey 10 years ago than it is to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that he garroted and beat the 6-year-old child he claims to have loved.
Because of the nature of DNA testing, it is simpler to prove a negative.
"DNA is the sure way to eliminate him," said Scott Robinson, a Denver defense attorney who has closely followed the case. "If it's negative, you ride that horse all the way to the stable."
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First move will be for Karr's ACLU lawyers, if there is any DNA match is to discredit any match as the samples being degraded
Is this melodrama still in the MSM news rotation?
Way to miss the Karr melodrama.
The DNA samples from the original crime scene have been digitized. Whether they will be acceptable to a defense attorney is something else. I am not familiar with the process.
It's a melodrama insomuch that most people believe Karr is engaging in a publicity stunt.
This guy didn't do it. He's an attention whore.
The major evidence of guilt is his confession. He has volunteered to take the rap. Who says his "ACLU lawyers" will argue anything? The DNA evidence could only mean that someone else was there. It will not necessarily exclude him. We already hear there was no "sex", no semen, etc. The big reason the cops thought it was an inside (family) job was no footprints in the snow. Very weird case. I kinda think he did it, after vascillating due to inaccurate media accounts (which will plague this and any case to no end).
There wasn't any snow around the house to leave a footprint
I guess we'll have to wait and see what the evidence shows
That's just it: conflicting media reports. We sit many miles away picking up bits and pieces. There was a time when you could separate the wheat feom the chaff, but media now days is make up your own story before deadline. If you Google footprints in snow and JBR you'll find numerous references to snow and no snow.
the samples were collected 10 years ago and a DNA fingerprint obtained. It is this fingerprint that will be compared to a fingerprint from Karr's DNA.
OTOH, DNA keeps quite well at -72 degrees, and they probably have some of it, but it is the fingerprint that will be compared.
Coincidence? I think not.
Maybe they are interested in some other unsolved cases he may have been involved in.His track record is a story unto itself.
If the DNA matches or is inconclusive, but the palm print also matches it doesn't matter one bit what the defense attorneys argue.
If the DNA is inconclusive and the print doesn't match then they've got lots of wiggle room.
and if that is the standard....then, by all means, try Karr and hang him too.....
OTOH.....I have to say that I am compelled to believe he did it, based solely on the Santa Bear photo if it truely does exist......
I AGREE.Some scary stuff.We have a S.I.L. that substitues and will be monitering our five year old grandaughter.It is somewhat of a comfort.
>>>It's a melodrama insomuch that most people believe Karr is engaging in a publicity stunt.>>>
People keep saying he is an attention whore. He did not come forward, come out, not as himself anyway. He was arrested in Thailand, not knocking at the Bouder DA's door.
It's August, always a slow news month, they gotta dredge up something, and they already did shark attacks.
>>>The big reason the cops thought it was an inside (family) job was no footprints in the snow
There wasn't any snow around the house to leave a footprint>>>
You are correct, but it will definitely mess up people's well thought out theories won't it? People have half bits of information (such as saying he wanted to get out of a Thailand prison that he was never in) or that the Ramsey's must have done it accidentally hitting her head and then covering it up, but not knowing enough to realize that she never bled from the head. There are alot of armchair experts out there who present their OPINION as fact and that is that. I just brush it off.
In modern language that would be 'being a Sheheen'
>>>When I have almost convinced myself that no sane prosecutor would go after someone like this without some pretty strong evidence, I think of Nifongs Duke rape fiasco where there is apparently little more evidence that a certifiable nut's accusation. Here the certifiable nut is the defendant.>>>
That's what's confusing me about this. I mean it takes all of a few hours to compare a palm print (I'm sure it's been digitized) and not much longer (few days) for DNA. Why not hold him in his cell and at least rule THAT part out before dragging him across the ocean under arrest for murder. Not to mention the ex-wife said noone even contacted her about him being there. Of course I'm sure they wouldn't want to take a chance on her notifying him they were looking for him. No matter how much her divorce looks like she disliked him. I disliked my ex through my divorce, but things have settled down over the years. However pedophelia is one it'd be hard to get over.
So I can only hope the DA has not completely made her and Boulder Co out to be fools yet again. I would also like to think that the IEA and FBI wouldn't let themselves become involved on a goose chase of a guy who claimed something over some emails to a stranger. I guess we'll see.
>>>If the DNA is inconclusive and the print doesn't match then they've got lots of wiggle room. >>>
I have a legal question. If he pleads guilty, confessed, do they even need to 'prove' a case?
If they charge him and he pleads not guilty, then no, they don't have to prove a case.
But you don't charge someone unless you think you can prove the case, because you don't know if they will plead guilty.
On the other hand lots of people claim they have been coerced into pleady guilty to lesser charges because they were being "railroaded" on more serious charges.
Don't know how often that happens in real life, but doubt it could happen in such a high profile case.
If he is part of an international cartel of pedophile child porn traders I expect him to stop breathing soon after reaching the U.S.
INTERESTING! Hadn't thought of that wonder if that's what happened to the guy they found dead that "shot himself"? Last name began with H. Can't remember the rest.
There is all kinds of trafficking in women and children.
If Karr assumes room tempature, it's going to be real hard to not put on my tin foil hat.
I believe I have run into information in the past that in many jurisdictions some additional corroboration is necessary. I don't know for Colorado, specifically.
Yes, they must prove the case, but it will be much easier to prove with a confession.
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