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Does enough evidence remain to ID Karr?
seatllepi.com ^ | 8.20.06 | DEBORAH HASTINGS

Posted on 08/20/2006 4:36:19 PM PDT by apackof2

BOULDER, Colo. -- The most important evidence amounts to this: DNA taken from two blood stains, hair and fibers taken from the body, half a footprint and two partial palm prints.

What it boils down to is this: It is infinitely easier to prove itinerant teacher John Mark Karr did not kill JonBenet Ramsey 10 years ago than it is to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that he garroted and beat the 6-year-old child he claims to have loved.

Because of the nature of DNA testing, it is simpler to prove a negative.

"DNA is the sure way to eliminate him," said Scott Robinson, a Denver defense attorney who has closely followed the case. "If it's negative, you ride that horse all the way to the stable."

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: childmurder; crime; dna; evidence; jonbenet; jonbent; karr; pervert; ramsey
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To: xarmydog
At least he is removed from being around children. The Idea of his teaching secondgraders nauseates me.
21 posted on 08/20/2006 6:25:49 PM PDT by JimSEA ( "The purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis." Spock)
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To: JimSEA

I AGREE.Some scary stuff.We have a S.I.L. that substitues and will be monitering our five year old grandaughter.It is somewhat of a comfort.


22 posted on 08/20/2006 6:40:14 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: BigSkyFreeper

>>>It's a melodrama insomuch that most people believe Karr is engaging in a publicity stunt.>>>

People keep saying he is an attention whore. He did not come forward, come out, not as himself anyway. He was arrested in Thailand, not knocking at the Bouder DA's door.


23 posted on 08/20/2006 6:40:45 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: RightWhale

It's August, always a slow news month, they gotta dredge up something, and they already did shark attacks.


24 posted on 08/20/2006 6:42:49 PM PDT by discostu (you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes)
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To: apackof2

>>>The big reason the cops thought it was an inside (family) job was no footprints in the snow

There wasn't any snow around the house to leave a footprint>>>

You are correct, but it will definitely mess up people's well thought out theories won't it? People have half bits of information (such as saying he wanted to get out of a Thailand prison that he was never in) or that the Ramsey's must have done it accidentally hitting her head and then covering it up, but not knowing enough to realize that she never bled from the head. There are alot of armchair experts out there who present their OPINION as fact and that is that. I just brush it off.


25 posted on 08/20/2006 6:43:51 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Dog Gone
This guy didn't do it. He's an attention whore.

In modern language that would be 'being a Sheheen'

26 posted on 08/20/2006 6:47:49 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: JimSEA

>>>When I have almost convinced myself that no sane prosecutor would go after someone like this without some pretty strong evidence, I think of Nifong’s Duke rape fiasco where there is apparently little more evidence that a certifiable nut's accusation. Here the certifiable nut is the defendant.>>>

That's what's confusing me about this. I mean it takes all of a few hours to compare a palm print (I'm sure it's been digitized) and not much longer (few days) for DNA. Why not hold him in his cell and at least rule THAT part out before dragging him across the ocean under arrest for murder. Not to mention the ex-wife said noone even contacted her about him being there. Of course I'm sure they wouldn't want to take a chance on her notifying him they were looking for him. No matter how much her divorce looks like she disliked him. I disliked my ex through my divorce, but things have settled down over the years. However pedophelia is one it'd be hard to get over.

So I can only hope the DA has not completely made her and Boulder Co out to be fools yet again. I would also like to think that the IEA and FBI wouldn't let themselves become involved on a goose chase of a guy who claimed something over some emails to a stranger. I guess we'll see.


27 posted on 08/20/2006 6:50:06 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: Valpal1

>>>If the DNA is inconclusive and the print doesn't match then they've got lots of wiggle room. >>>

I have a legal question. If he pleads guilty, confessed, do they even need to 'prove' a case?


28 posted on 08/20/2006 6:52:15 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

If they charge him and he pleads not guilty, then no, they don't have to prove a case.

But you don't charge someone unless you think you can prove the case, because you don't know if they will plead guilty.

On the other hand lots of people claim they have been coerced into pleady guilty to lesser charges because they were being "railroaded" on more serious charges.

Don't know how often that happens in real life, but doubt it could happen in such a high profile case.

If he is part of an international cartel of pedophile child porn traders I expect him to stop breathing soon after reaching the U.S.


29 posted on 08/20/2006 7:14:24 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Valpal1
international cartel of pedophile child porn traders I expect him to stop breathing

INTERESTING! Hadn't thought of that wonder if that's what happened to the guy they found dead that "shot himself"? Last name began with H. Can't remember the rest.

30 posted on 08/20/2006 8:44:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

There is all kinds of trafficking in women and children.

If Karr assumes room tempature, it's going to be real hard to not put on my tin foil hat.


31 posted on 08/20/2006 9:13:34 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: sandbar
"I have a legal question. If he pleads guilty, confessed, do they even need to 'prove' a case?"

I believe I have run into information in the past that in many jurisdictions some additional corroboration is necessary. I don't know for Colorado, specifically.

32 posted on 08/22/2006 9:29:30 AM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: sandbar

Yes, they must prove the case, but it will be much easier to prove with a confession.


33 posted on 08/22/2006 11:05:33 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: apackof2
He didn't do it. He's obsessed with the precocious little girl and knows a lot about the case. He just wants to be the envy of pedophiles. She was a pedophiles dream come true.

Whether the DNA is "degraded" or not they have the record of it so compare what was found at the scene.
34 posted on 08/24/2006 9:38:31 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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